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bkushner

Last reply Apr 18, 2008 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Ouch, D's new Advertising Graphic

This has to sting old Charlie!

I would assume the ones you never heard of would be VOOM!

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vegassatellite

Apr 17, 2008

If satellite is a game of poker, Charlie would be the guy that appears non-threatening through every round and then slams you at the end with aces full. Let's not discount Charlie just yet. He's making some big plays with a lot of the satellite slots he's been positioning himself with. I expect that he's going to have lots of bandwidth and will be turning the screws on DirecTV soon. He probably realizes that there's a lot of customers that are shuffling back and forth between the various services and he ought to be ready just as a lot of DirecTV 24 month commitments expire. Keep in mind that cable still holds the greater share and when it comes to HD, both services tend to beat up the cable companies' limited offerings in most markets. So Charlie is still positioned to scoop up cable subs, although there is that giant ogre picking mushrooms in the same field as he.

2009 will be the year that Charlie puts the pressure back on DirecTV.

shibby191

Apr 18, 2008

vegassatellite said:
2009 will be the year that Charlie puts the pressure back on DirecTV.

Unless 100 more channels go HD by then DirecTV will have plenty of bandwidth and then some. DirecTV already has nearly every HD channel that is available and just launched a new sat with another on the way in 2009. Charlie can certainly catch up if he gets the bandwidth but he certainly isn't going to be putting any pressure back on DirecTV in terms of passing them. But he'll get close I hope as competition is good for everyone.

vegassatellite

Apr 18, 2008

shibby191 said:
Unless 100 more channels go HD by then DirecTV will have plenty of bandwidth and then some. DirecTV already has nearly every HD channel that is available and just launched a new sat with another on the way in 2009. Charlie can certainly catch up if he gets the bandwidth but he certainly isn't going to be putting any pressure back on DirecTV in terms of passing them. But he'll get close I hope as competition is good for everyone.

I don't know what DirecTV's transponder count is on their Slimline but there's some things to be considered. They have 32 transponders on 101 but its all MPEG2 and they would have to nearly every box to go MPEG4 on that one. Then 110 only has 3 transponders and 10 transponders on 119. I don't know how many transponders they have on 99 or 103.

Dish has 50 transponders on 119/110 and 15 on 129. That's 65 TPs on one dish. Then on 61.5 they have 32 plus 16 more on 72.5 soon, for 48 transponders all MPEG4 or going to be MPEG4. 148 has 32 transponders and a dish aimed there can get 129 so that's 48 transponders on that dish. TeleSat is applying for 138 and if they get that, they'll probably lease up to 15 transponders to DISH same as they did with 129 and 72.5, giving a Western Arc dish set up for 129/138/148 with a total of 63 MPEG4 transponders in that case.

Then there's that 700Mhz spectrum they won. It remains to be seen what they do with that. Internet is the main speculation.

Also, I haven't considered the bandwidth DISH has available from 118.7 and 121.

shibby191

Apr 18, 2008

vegassatellite said:
I don't know how many transponders they have on 99 or 103.

All of them.
In KA no less and they are only putting MPEG4 there.

They already have over 100 HD channels on 103 alone. Plus dozens and dozens of local HD already up there. D11 just launched to go to 99. This will add capacity to 50 more national HD and the rest of the country in local HD.
And now D12 is going to launch in 09 adding yet another 50+ national HD capacity, slot to be announced. Which also means they could launch yet another sat to pair up at the other slot for 50+ more national HD channels.

mike123abc

Apr 18, 2008

There is no real way to compare DIRECTV's Ka capacity with Dish's Ku capacity. DIRECTV's Ka capacity you can think of as an array of tiny overlapping ovals covering the US, think of a honeycomb. They were satellites meant for internet access with transmitters going up from under each of the ovals. They were adapted for TV usage (just one uplink per oval).

They can map DMAs by picking which ovals get the signal for each DMA, but they have to have the same channel on multiple frequencies since the ovals overlap. Which means that they use up more capacity for a local channel since they have to use multiple channels for the overlapping ovals to cover a DMA. Dish uses one spot and one frequency for a local channel. To do a national channel on Ka, DIRECTV in a sense sends the channel down in every spot. Since the spots overlap, they have to send the channel down in several frequencies (I suspect 5).

DIRECTV has the advantage of a fine granularity of the spectrum usage, Dish has a standard of 32 frequencies, each of the transponder frequencies then carries multiple channels.

Ka band is also 1GHz where Ku DBS is 500MHz, so 2x the bandwidth. But Ka is a higher frequency making for more rain fade, so needs more error correction, more power or a larger dish.

So, in essence it is really hard to compare, DIRECTV has more satellites and bandwidth, but they are forced to repeat channels multiple times tying up more bandwidth. Dish has less bandwidth, but much more efficient use of it.

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply 1 minute ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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HipKat

Monday at 8:55 AM

I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

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telstar_1

Monday at 1:22 PM

HipKat said:
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

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Nominal

Monday at 4:30 PM

telstar_1 said:
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.

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dishdude

Monday at 5:05 PM

I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.

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MikeD-C05

24 minutes ago

dishdude said:
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.

I had both the 921 and the 922. I used to buy them from DishDepot.com in Florida and trade in my older owned receiver towards the newest receiver. The 921 was a reboot receiver and the sling part was hit or miss. I look back on all those receivers I paid for over 25 years and I think it was just TV. If I had that money back now I would be lot richer. My Owned Hopper 3 is sitting in a drawer in my office not being used.

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telstar_1

1 minute ago

That was part of the Ergen scheme, to sell the product as well as the service. And who didn't want the best box?

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply 10 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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gms49ers

Today at 10:40 AM

Where's My Thing? - Rush

harshness

Today at 11:08 AM

I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing - Aerosmith

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Bobby

Today at 11:20 AM

Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard

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dishstaller

Today at 11:42 AM

Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent

RaiderPower

10 minutes ago

Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors

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reubenray

Last reply 17 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish vs Streaming Apps?

Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.

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Bruce

17 minutes ago

reubenray said:
Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.

Ask this question in the Internet TV part of the forum, do not feel like getting yelled at, if I answer the questions here.

dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 37 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

You can't even trust the cost per ounce info in grocery stores anymore

I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

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Jimbo

Today at 9:23 AM

dishstaller said:
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

Walmart isn't the only one ...

Juan

Today at 11:17 AM

dishstaller said:
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price

harshness

Today at 11:18 AM

Jimbo said:
Walmart isn't the only one ...

I've been seeing this more and more on Amazon. Sometimes it seems there is no way they could have arrived at the number.

What rankles me even more is Costco changing units of measure between similar products, so you have to convert them to compare prices.

dishstaller

Today at 11:47 AM

Juan said:
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...

Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.

b4pjoe

53 minutes ago

Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.

harshness

37 minutes ago

b4pjoe said:
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.

Bone-in is a well-known and often prized attribute. Adding the tray and the film isn't right.

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 11:26 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness

Sunday at 11:30 AM

I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

harshness

Yesterday at 5:32 PM

harshness said:
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Foxbat

Yesterday at 8:39 PM

harshness said:
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Bobby

Yesterday at 9:05 PM

Foxbat said:
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.

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Bobby

Today at 11:21 AM

Regular$5.839
Premium$6.299
Diesel$7.999
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

harshness

Today at 11:26 AM

Foxbat said:
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?

Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.

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Former member 209992

Last reply Today at 11:18 AM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Saturday at 3:21 PM

Ok checked it out and for some reason the web server (NGINX) tried starting before the DNS resolver fully loaded. This is why it worked when I rebooted the machine.

Thanks to ChatGPT it had me change the NGINX config to prevent this from happening again.

With that said I can't prevent the ISP from doing emergency upgrades which was the cause of all of this.

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navychop

Saturday at 3:39 PM

Nature will develop better idiots.

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TRG

Saturday at 4:19 PM

navychop said:
Nature will develop better idiots.

God help us.

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Scott Greczkowski

Monday at 11:15 AM

I guess this is what the downtime was about.

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Scott Greczkowski

Today at 11:18 AM

Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)

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Booredatwork.com

Today at 10:52 AM · posted in BooredAtWork.COM

iPhone Duo Folio Kickstand Case!

Time for another AWESOME video from BoredAtWork!

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Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 10:40 AM · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/14/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261014.xlsx 1,874 KB

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KyL416

Yesterday at 2:37 PM

WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS

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doctor J

Today at 7:22 AM

DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:

No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K	4
HD	264	2	1449
SD mpeg4	145		194
SD mpeg2	433
RB
Audio	89
Push	26
Slate	19		1

TEST Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K
HD			1
SD mpeg4
SD mpeg2
RB
Engr Work	38	-2

The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters

doctor J

Today at 7:23 AM

weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:

Weekly_Analysis_261021.xlsx 16 KB

KyL416

Today at 7:25 AM

HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps

Mr Tony

Today at 10:40 AM

KyL416 said:
HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps

Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.

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Marques Brownlee

Today at 10:32 AM · posted in Marques Brownlee

ASMR iPhone Duo Unboxing

Time for another AWESOME video from Marques Brownlee!

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_4ELeWAgMwo

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The official MKBHD Website!
The MKBHD Store

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Booredatwork.com

Today at 10:22 AM · posted in BooredAtWork.COM

iPhone Duo: Is the Bigger Screen Worth It for Games?

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