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Well for 700 bucks I hope they can get the BD50 to work. How long have they had to get firmware working on the BD30?

vurbano said:

Well for 700 bucks I hope they can get the BD50 to work, because it looks like this one obviously doesnt. How long have they had to get firmware working on the BD30?

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This is not a preexisting problem. It was introduced with the last firmware update. So to answer your question, not long. Panasonic, like Toshiba, is very good at correcting things that get messed up with firmware updates. Panasonic works with its customers and listens. They have identified the possible problem and it will be fixed.

S~

teachsac said:

This is not a preexisting problem. It was introduced with the last firmware update. So to answer your question, not long. Panasonic, like Toshiba, is very good at correcting things that get messed up with firmware updates. Panasonic works with its customers and listens. They have identified the possible problem and it will be fixed.

S~

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When this thing came out it decoded none of the new HD audio formats according to AVS thread The Official Panasonic DMP-BD30 Owner's Thread - AVS Forum
And those post were not too long ago in 11/07. Seems like it had HUGE pre existing problems back in November. So they got them all working right and screwed it up with 1.6 and failed to fix TrueHD with 1.8. Not what I would expect from a high priced brand like Panny.

vurbano said:

When this thing came out it decoded none of the new HD audio formats according to AVS thread The Official Panasonic DMP-BD30 Owner's Thread - AVS Forum
And those post were not too long ago in 11/07. Seems like it had HUGE pre existing problems back in November. So they got them all working right and screwed it up with 1.6 and failed to fix TrueHD with 1.8. Not what I would expect from a high priced brand like Panny.

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Huh? It seems you are posting without an awareness of what the actual problem is. It never will decode any of the advanced codecs. That is not what this particular problem is. It is a brief millisecond glitch in the bitstream feed. It's more of a handshake issue between the receiver and the player. Similar to what Toshiba just introduced with Gen 1 FW3.0 except audio and not video. I'm not a BD engineering expert, so this is pure conjecture. It popped up when they were addressing the handshake issue with a couple TVs that have crappy software and suffer flickering when devices are hooked up to it through HDMI.

Having been an adopter of both formats, I can recall several problems that took Toshiba many more firmware updates to fix or even address than one. I'm still waiting for them to fix the 1080p/24 issue they introduced in Gen 3 with FW 2.0.

S~

teachsac said:

Huh? It seems you are posting without an awareness of what the actual problem is. It never will decode any of the advanced codecs.

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Well I previously asked:

vurbano said:

Is it a lack of hardware capability or just firmware?

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So the correct answer is the BD30 does not have the hardware to decode the advanced formats, only to bitstream them and the problem is firmware. It would have been nice to get a straight answer earlier. Its dissapointing that it is having trouble with a simple task like bitstreaming. I hope panasonic fixes it.

teachsac said:

Similar to what Toshiba just introduced with Gen 1 FW3.0 except audio and not video.

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Toshiba introduced no problems with ver 3.0 on my A1. What does this have to do with Toshiba anyway?

teachsac said:

Having been an adopter of both formats, I can recall several problems that took Toshiba many more firmware updates to fix or even address than one. I'm still waiting for them to fix the 1080p/24 issue they introduced in Gen 3 with FW 2.0.

S~

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Im an adpoter of both formats as well. Ive had the A1 from day one, I believe from the second batch Robert at VE had. The firmware has never introduced any problems for me. It has done nothing but improve performance.

vurbano said:

Toshiba introduced no problems with ver 3.0 on my A1. What does this have to do with Toshiba anyway?

Im an adpoter of both formats as well. Ive had the A1 from day one, I believe from the second batch Robert at VE had. The firmware has never introduced any problems for me. It has done nothing but improve performance.

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Vurb,

I know you have been an early adopter of HD DVD, as have I. We've both been around here long enough. It has to do with the fact that you are going into a thread acting like it is the only HD player ever to need a firmware update. While 3.0 might not have affected your A1 or my Xa1, it has affected others. Just like Panasonic 1.6 affected some users and others have been unaffected. Manufacturers always strive to improve performance in their players. Toshiba and Panasonic are two of the best. SOny has done a good job with the PS3, while not so great on their SA models. But once in a while an unexpected glitch pops up.

In a dream world, everything works wonderfully. Problems occur because some manufacturers decide to take shortcuts and write their own code. This leaves other companies with the burden of trying to correct others mistakes. Samsung happens to be one of the worst at this. A good example is the Samsung TVs. Although the 69 series displays 24hz correctly, the EDID table is written incorrectly and has to be forced to accept a 1080p/24 signal. Samsung corrected this, but it requires a board replacement. You guessed it, HDMi is not firmware updatable.

I have always been a fan of following Standards to a tee. I think standards like Simplay are needed to ensure that all components work together properly. Mitsubishi is Simplay certified, but will not offer tech support if an attached component is not Simplay certified.

The CE industry is a mess, and it is not BD faults, nor is it HD DVDs fault. Technology is changing too rapidly. Until all CE manufacturers, whether it be TVs, receivers, players, etc. get their act together and start cooperating, don't expect to see too much improvement.

S~

I don't know if this fits in this thread but suprisingly to me, I put a DVD-Audio disc in my Panasonic BD30 and it actually plays the audio AND the video. The documentation says otherwise but can anyone else verify this?

You most probably hear the downsampled version of the MLP soundtrack...
DVD-Audio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Diogen.

If you have a DMP-BD10AK, then I would agree with the DVD-A assessment. Diogen is right that you are hearing Dolby Digital 5.1 not full, lossless DVD-A.

allargon said:

If you have a DMP-BD10AK, then I would agree with the DVD-A assessment. Diogen is right that you are hearing Dolby Digital 5.1 not full, lossless DVD-A.

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Duly noted....Still sounds great though............