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Last reply Aug 26, 2004 · posted in Old YAHOOGROUPS - VOOM! Archives

[VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

This could be a probleme with my TV (Mits 65" rear proj)and not the
Voom STB. My TELEVISION does not allow reformatting (stretching) in
digital mode through the television controls. Obviously, VOOM's
digital STB only carries digital signals. Therefore, non HD OTA
broadcasts have black vertical bars on either side of the picture.
This problem is corrected when an HD show is broadcast. Also, I do
not have a problem stretching the non OTA channels that are not
broadcast in HD through the VOOM STB or if I choose to watch the OTA
chanels through a non digital (SVideo) input. By the way, this only
effects true HD capible stations such as the major networks. The
brodcast for other OTA stations that are digtal but not HD do not
have this issue through the STB.

My question is this: Mitsubishi warns against watching any more
than 15% of total viewing time with the screen not full because of
potential (subtle) screen fade as the TV ages. Does anyone know if
A)there is a way around this and B)is this screen fade really a
significant problem?

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Eric

Aug 26, 2004

Sounds like its time for a new TV

_____

From: Jerry Prosise [mailto:jprosise@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:50 AM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

Native will not work for me because my Mitsu does not support 720p (ESPNhd
and others)

-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy fouts [mailto:timothyfouts@mac.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:40 AM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

Try putting the Voom box in "native" mode-maybe your tv will fill the
screen. My 4:3 Hitachi does.

On Aug 26, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Chris Green wrote:
Unfortunately that doesn't help some of us. I have a 53" 4:3 TV. I
currently watch my SD channels in the middle of my screen. If I stretch
them they are stretch to a wide aspect ratio and still don't fill the TV.
The correct solution is to switch to 480p when watching SD channels, but
there is no quick/automatic method to do that. L

Chris Green

From: Jerry Prosise [mailto:jprosise@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:23 AM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

The STB will stretch all channels (including OTA) except the ones that
broadcast in true HD. Obviously this is not a problem when HD programming
is being aired.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dvlos [mailto

vlos.1blrpw@nobody.satelliteguys.us]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:47 AM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

My Phillips shifts pixels at a varying rate to prevent burn in, maybe
the Mitsu does too? You can also stretch the image through the STB. You
can go to the Options and change your Normal To Wide settings to Stretch
instead of Letterbox or whatever they call it.

--
Dvlos

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Chris Green

Aug 26, 2004

I hope that was sarcasm. :-( Breaking out the savings account for a major
television purchase isn't usually something one gets to do frequently.

Chris

_____

From: Eric [mailto:etoop@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:13 PM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

Sounds like its time for a new TV

_____

From: Jerry Prosise [mailto:jprosise@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:50 AM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

Native will not work for me because my Mitsu does not support 720p (ESPNhd
and others)

-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy fouts [mailto:timothyfouts@mac.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:40 AM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

Try putting the Voom box in "native" mode-maybe your tv will fill the
screen. My 4:3 Hitachi does.

On Aug 26, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Chris Green wrote:

Unfortunately that doesn't help some of us. I have a 53" 4:3 TV. I
currently watch my SD channels in the middle of my screen. If I stretch
them they are stretch to a wide aspect ratio and still don't fill the TV.
The correct solution is to switch to 480p when watching SD channels, but
there is no quick/automatic method to do that. L

Chris Green

From: Jerry Prosise [mailto:jprosise@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:23 AM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

The STB will stretch all channels (including OTA) except the ones that
broadcast in true HD. Obviously this is not a problem when HD programming
is being aired.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dvlos [mailto

vlos.1blrpw@nobody.satelliteguys.us]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:47 AM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

My Phillips shifts pixels at a varying rate to prevent burn in, maybe
the Mitsu does too? You can also stretch the image through the STB. You
can go to the Options and change your Normal To Wide settings to Stretch
instead of Letterbox or whatever they call it.

--
Dvlos

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voomvoom

Aug 26, 2004

Chris Green said:
I hope that was sarcasm. :-( Breaking out the savings account for a major
television purchase isn't usually something one gets to do frequently.

Chris

_____

From: Eric [mailto:etoop@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:13 PM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

Sounds like its time for a new TV

That's the problem with a Mits, if your local(s) don't support both HD and SD channels, then you have to grin and bear it...
Hopefully all new programming will be HD and eventually the old (as in reruns) can be converted to HD...

berockin1

Aug 26, 2004

[VOOM] Re: Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

Just a question, why did you go for a 4:3 TV ???
How long ago did you get it ? I dont remember seeing any 4:3 proj. @
CC last time I was there. Still some CRT's but no projections.

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Green" <cgreen@g...> wrote:
> I hope that was sarcasm. :-( Breaking out the savings account
for a major
> television purchase isn't usually something one gets to do
frequently.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Eric [mailto:etoop@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:13 PM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels
>
>
>
> Sounds like its time for a new TV
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Jerry Prosise [mailto:jprosise@b...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:50 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels
>
> Native will not work for me because my Mitsu does not support 720p
(ESPNhd
> and others)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy fouts [mailto:timothyfouts@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:40 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels
>
>
>
> Try putting the Voom box in "native" mode-maybe your tv will fill
the
> screen. My 4:3 Hitachi does.
>
> On Aug 26, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Chris Green wrote:
>
> Unfortunately that doesn't help some of us. I have a 53" 4:3 TV. I
> currently watch my SD channels in the middle of my screen. If I
stretch
> them they are stretch to a wide aspect ratio and still don't fill
the TV.
> The correct solution is to switch to 480p when watching SD
channels, but
> there is no quick/automatic method to do that. L
>
>
>
> Chris Green
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jerry Prosise [mailto:jprosise@b...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:23 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels
>
>
>
> The STB will stretch all channels (including OTA) except the ones
that
> broadcast in true HD. Obviously this is not a problem when HD
programming
> is being aired.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dvlos [mailto

vlos.1blrpw@n...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:47 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels
>
>
>
>
> My Phillips shifts pixels at a varying rate to prevent burn in,
maybe
> the Mitsu does too? You can also stretch the image through the STB.
You
> can go to the Options and change your Normal To Wide settings to
Stretch
> instead of Letterbox or whatever they call it.
>
>
> --
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Chris Green

Aug 26, 2004

RE: [VOOM] Re: Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

Its about 4-5 years old now. I bought it used from a friend. A deal I
couldn't pass up. When it was bought, very little content was available in
HD, so 4:3 was ideal. Regardless, with a set that large, even letterboxed
is plenty big. I don't have the money to upgrade it any time soon.

Chris Green

-----Original Message-----
From: berockin1 [mailto:berockin1@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:56 PM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels

Just a question, why did you go for a 4:3 TV ???
How long ago did you get it ? I dont remember seeing any 4:3 proj. @
CC last time I was there. Still some CRT's but no projections.

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Green" <cgreen@g...> wrote:
> I hope that was sarcasm. :-( Breaking out the savings account
for a major
> television purchase isn't usually something one gets to do
frequently.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Eric [mailto:etoop@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:13 PM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels
>
>
>
> Sounds like its time for a new TV
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Jerry Prosise [mailto:jprosise@b...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:50 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels
>
> Native will not work for me because my Mitsu does not support 720p
(ESPNhd
> and others)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy fouts [mailto:timothyfouts@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:40 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels
>
>
>
> Try putting the Voom box in "native" mode-maybe your tv will fill
the
> screen. My 4:3 Hitachi does.
>
> On Aug 26, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Chris Green wrote:
>
> Unfortunately that doesn't help some of us. I have a 53" 4:3 TV. I
> currently watch my SD channels in the middle of my screen. If I
stretch
> them they are stretch to a wide aspect ratio and still don't fill
the TV.
> The correct solution is to switch to 480p when watching SD
channels, but
> there is no quick/automatic method to do that. L
>
>
>
> Chris Green
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jerry Prosise [mailto:jprosise@b...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:23 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels
>
>
>
> The STB will stretch all channels (including OTA) except the ones
that
> broadcast in true HD. Obviously this is not a problem when HD
programming
> is being aired.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dvlos [mailto

vlos.1blrpw@n...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:47 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Vertical Bars on non HDTV OTA channels
>
>
>
>
> My Phillips shifts pixels at a varying rate to prevent burn in,
maybe
> the Mitsu does too? You can also stretch the image through the STB.
You
> can go to the Options and change your Normal To Wide settings to
Stretch
> instead of Letterbox or whatever they call it.
>
>
> --
> Dvlos
>
>
>
>
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osu1991

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EV News

America’s Fastest-Growing EV State Isn’t California—Not by a Long Shot

New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives

www.autoweek.com

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.

:eek

It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.

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bsky.app

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.

harshness

Oct 25, 2026

Let's tell it like it is. GM's EV efforts are coming from SAIC. The brain trust is almost entirely in China, and GM is hanging off of SAIC's shirt tails.

It is a lot like asserting that the Corvette was designed by Chevrolet when most of it came from the Cadillac CTS-V.

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Oct 25, 2026

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bsky.app

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.

That's how Ford did it- vertical integration. He even set up a rubber plantation in S. America

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osu1991

A moment ago

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www.theautopian.com

The Cybertruck was supposed to make the F-150 obsolete. It wasn't supposed to be boring, like a Ford or a Chevy. It was supposed to be "more truck than truck." It turns out, people just wanted trucks that were trucks, and CEO Elon Musk announced on X earlier this morning is that the Cybertruck is dying.

Ending production in middle of next year at gigatexas for cybercab production.

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Yesterday at 3:33 PM

No Time - The Guess Who

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Today at 2:37 AM

TIME Won't Let Me-The Outsiders

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Today at 6:37 AM

Time In A Bottle - Jim Croce

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Today at 10:25 AM

Message in a Bottle - The Police

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Knights In White Satin - The Moody Blues

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Data Center Projects Face a Stunning Local Voter Backlash #shorts

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dishstaller

10 minutes ago

These AI companies have over $3 trillion in debt. Derail that and you will see a stock market crash like we have never seen before.

Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 10:23 AM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...

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dishstaller

Oct 22, 2026

Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

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ncted

Oct 24, 2026

Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?

brice52

Oct 24, 2026

ncted said:
Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?

yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration

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(((Garyd)))

Oct 24, 2026

brice52 said:
yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration

The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.

Bruce

Oct 25, 2026

dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

They have been losing broadband subscribers for about 4 years now.

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brice52

Oct 25, 2026

(((Garyd))) said:
The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.

I agree, even it fails the isp will come and install another one

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Bruce

Today at 8:28 AM

Charter lost 77,000 TV subscribers, the bigger news, it lost 233,000 broadband subscribers.

You would believe both companies would of learned from what happened with their TV services, which was ignore that cord cutting was a thing, allowed competition ( streaming) to get a foothold in the industry.

Now, in today's world, there are more households in the United States without a paid live TV than those with.

Both companies charge too much, delayed upgrades, all because they believed no one would leave them, only game in town, competition started with the 5G services, Fiber soon after, enough said, Cord Cutting 2.0 is here.

Spectrum Loses 233,000 Internet and 77,000 TV Customers in Third Quarter As Cord Cutting 2.0 Grows | Cord Cutters News

Charter Communications reported a further erosion of its core broadband base in the third quarter of 2026, with Spectrum losing 233,000 Internet customers on a pro forma basis that incorporates the recently completed Cox acquisition. Residential accounts accounted for nearly all of the decline...

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dishstaller

Today at 10:03 AM

Got to admit I never thought I'd see the day that cable lost internet subs.

Ronnie-

Today at 10:23 AM

dishstaller said:
Got to admit I never thought I'd see the day that cable lost internet subs.

I think the cable companies didnt either, back when they had no real competition in their footprint.

But today, for many, maybe even most, cable isnt the only choice, or even the best.

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Today at 9:53 AM · posted in DIRECTV Cutting Edge Information

We are looking for new Cutting Edge Stream members.

We are looking to find DirecTV Stream customers who are interested in pre-beta testing new Stream hardware and software, and who enjoy the testing process. You must agree to provide rigoorous feedback to DIRECTV on a regular basis. See the Welcome to the Cutting Edge message.

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Last reply Today at 8:31 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th

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nelson61

Monday at 12:22 PM

Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

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Scott Greczkowski

Monday at 1:25 PM

nelson61 said:
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 10:17 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

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Scott Greczkowski

Tuesday at 10:22 AM

Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 11:30 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

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man00

Yesterday at 12:15 PM

Is Dish like Iran in one way...they both will totally collapse by end of week

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 12:16 PM

Other than the price, my experience with Boost is not that different than what I experienced with my years with Cricket. I will be curious to see what happens if SpaceX takes the reins.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 2:54 AM

Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

dish has new sats dtv does not

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renjy651

Today at 6:37 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
dish has new sats dtv does not

Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?

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