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SatelliteAV Free Receiver SYSTEM of the Week


Manufacturers:Visionsat / Satellite AV
Models Names: IV-200 / GEOSATpro 90cm / UL1
Receiver type: DVB Satellite Receiver with 90cm Dish, Universal LNBF and install kit!!!
Standard Definition
Documentation: Yes
Blind Scan: Yes
Remote: Yes
Shipping Weight: 6lbs.
Package size for calculating approx. shipping charges: 40" x35" x 9" - $34.77 in continental US.

Everything is BRAND NEW!!!!!

Let's have some fun!


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VISIONSAT IV200 PVR FIXED 36 INCH SYSTEM


Suggested Retail Price $200.00

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Complete Fixed Satellite System with PVR Capability

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[/FONT]VisionsatIV200 PVR Plus[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Retail $145[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]The Visionsat IV 200 PVR Plus is an incredible feature packed FTA (Free to Air) satellite receiver with PVR (Personal Video Recorder) function. Don't be content with just watching TV when you can easily record and share programs! Simply connect your choice of USB 2.0 flash or hard drive to the receiver and have instant recording capability from your satellite receiver. Records over 400 hours of high quality digital satellite television or thousands of hours of satellite radio programming onto a single 500GB external drive. Time shift record so you don't miss a moment of your favorite show if interrupted or program the PVR for automatic unattended recordings. Now features Instant Replay. Perfect for reviewing a controversial referee call or watching that great scene in your favorite movie.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Use a PC to burn the programming onto a DVD or CD to archive for future enjoyment or share the programming files with your friends. Enjoy recorded programming on any PC / XBox / or rip the files for viewing on your PMP (Personal Media Player). We recommend an easy to use software application [/FONT]VideoReDo[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif] for editing or formatting.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]When you first receive your new Visionsat PVR be sure download the latest firmware to get the latest features. Visionsat provides the latest factory firmware on their official web site [/FONT]http://www.inteltechnologyinc.com[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif] to insure that your FTA receiver is always updated with the latest upgrades. Visionsat is commited to providing hobbyists frequent upgrades to boost performance and features of an already outstanding receiver. Channel lists can be quickly created and easily organized with the Visionsat Editor.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Updating the receiver firmware or channel list is as simple as connecting the included flash thumb drive to the USB port. The receiver automatically detects the drive and you select what file you wish to up or download. Hobbyists will love the convenience of saving hours of power scanned satellite lists and switch settings for future reference or back-ups.[/FONT]


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Universal Remote Control
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Visionsat has updated the remote control for the IV 200. The remote can blast the commands to your TV, VCR, DVD player and satellite receiver from across the room or from extreme angles. Features basic functions plus adds the PVR controls. Record, Timer Record, Pause, Fast-Forward, Fast- Reverse, Slow Motion.[/FONT]
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GEOSATpro 90cm / 36" Offset Satellite Dish Retail $ 65
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Considered among dealers and hobbyist to be one of the best constructed 90cm dishes available. GEOSATpro and Azure Shine have formed a partnership to provide high quality satellite dish products at low competitive prices.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Patented rolled reflector edges provide the support necessary to maintain a perfect parabola. The LNBF arm is attached to the elevation bracket and strengthened by two support arms creating the strongest tripod LNBF support structure of any consumer dish available. This exclusive design provides an incredibly strong support for even the largest LNBFs. The sturdy adjustable elevation bracket allows for dish aiming angles from 0 - 90 degrees. An attractive and durable coating of charcoal colored textured poly withstands the elements and will look great for many years![/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]GEOSATpro 90cm exclusive "easy level" universal wall / roof tripod post makes dish mounting a breeze. No need to carry a level on your install. The bubble spirit level slips into the top of the mast for quick verification that the post is plumb and level. No more hassles with off center foot plates throwing the mast out of plumb. The unique slotted post mounts allow for 360 degree post leveling not like other manufacturer designs which only permit front to back adjustments. Tripod legs can be mounted at any point on the mast to assure a solid and secure mounting in the strongest wind. [/FONT]Click here for specifications
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GEOSATpro UL1 Linear LNBF[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Retail $ 10[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]The UL1 LNBF is the most reliable "off the shelf" LNBF that we have ever carried. Failure rate of less than 1/10th of 1% means less service calls and more enjoyment. Low noise figure of .4 dB and 60 dB gain are combined in this +/-1MHz frequency stable, quality lnb. [/FONT]Click here for specifications


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GEOSATpro Installation Kit Retail[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]  [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Retail $ 20[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Most systems do not include the parts that are most important for safe and proper equipment installation and operation. The GEOSATpro installation kit includes over 100 feet of quality RG6 coax cables, lag bolts, grounding supplies, cable clips, nylon wire ties, silicone sealant and even a liquid filled compass for dish aiming. You will have all supplies necessary to install and ground a basic roof or wall mounted satellite dish according to National Electrical codes.[/FONT]
Click here for specifications


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* Free Gift DiSEqC 4x1 Switch[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Retail $ 10[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]A 4x1 DiSEqC switch is provided so you can connect additional dishes and LNBs to the satellite receiver. After the receiver is set up to control the DiSEqC switch, the correct satellite dish will be automatically be selected by simply changing the channel. [/FONT]



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* Free Gift 64MB USB 2.0 Thumb Drive[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]Retail $ 10[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,serif]For a limited time, Visionsat is including a starter USB 2.0 Flash Thumb Drive for transferring firmware, channel lists and testing the PVR function.[/FONT]

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Visionsat IV 200 PVR Plus
Personal Video Recorder (PVR) Ready via USB 2.0 USB 2.0 Host Support (MP3 Player and JPEG Viewer) MPEG-II Digital / Fully DVB Compliant Blind Scan Multi-LNB Controlled by DiSEqC Control Version 1.0, 1.2 and USALS Multi-Satellite Search Support 7-Day EPG On-Screen Display with 16 bit Color Full Resolution Favorite Channel Groups Powerful Channel Control by Favorites, Lock, Skip, Move and Delete Channel Sorting by PID, Alphabet, Transponder and CAS Multi-language Supported (OSD and Menu) Closed Caption Support (OSD and VBI Insertion) Maximum 5,000 Channels Programmable Multi-Picture Display Zoom Function in Pause Parental Lock / Receiver Lock CVBS Video and Audio Output via RCA Component Y/Pb/Pr Output via RCA S-VHS Video Output Optical and Coaxial Output for Digital Audio Software & Channel Database Upgrade via RS-232 and USB 2 Universal Remote Controls Smart Card Reader
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Tuner & Channel Decoder
Input Connector F-type, IEC 169-24, Female Loop through out F-type, IEC 169-24, Female Frequency Range 950MHz ~ 2150MHz Input Impedance 75 ohm, unbalanced Signal Level -65 to -25dBm LNB Power 13/18VDC, max.400mA 22KHz Tone (22±2)KHz, (0.6±0.2)V DISEqC Control V1.0/1.2/USALS Compatible Demodulation QPSK Input Symbol Rate 2 ~ 45 Ms/s FEC Decoder 1/2, 2/3, 3/4, 5/6 and 7/8 with Constraint Length K=7

MPEG Transport Stream A/V Decoding
Transport Stream MPEG-II ISO/IEC 13818 Profile Level MPEG-II MP@ML Input Rate Max. 15Mbit/s Video Formats 4:3 LetterBox, 4:3 PanScan, 16:9 Video Resolution 720 x 576, 720 x 480 Audio Decoding MPEG/MusiCam Layer I&II Audio Mode Stereo/Joint stereo/Mono Sampling Rate 32KHz, 44.1KHz and 48KHz

Main System
Main Processor Conexant Virgo (32-bit RISC CPU 180 MIPS) Memory Flash-ROM : 2 MBytes
SDRAM : 32 MBytes

Audio/Video and Data IN/OUT
Video CVBS Video Output (RCA)
S-VHS Video Output (Mini-DIN)
Y/Pb/Pr Video Output (RCA) Audio L/R RCA (Volume and Mute Control)
AC-3 Dolby Digital (RCA & Optical) RS-232C 9 pin D-SUB (Male) type, Transfer rate 115Kbps USB USB 2.0 Host Support

RF Modulator
RF Connector IEC 169-24, Female Frequency CH 3 : 61.25MHz
CH 4 : 67.25MHz Output Channel CH 3 / CH 4 TV Standard NTSC-M Preset Channel CH 3 Software changeable by Menu

Front Panel
Slot 1 Smart Card Slot
1 USB Host Slot Buttons 3 Buttons (CH UP/DOWN, STANDBY) Display 7-Segment (Channel No.or Time) Indicators 2 LEDs (STANDBY, REMOTE)

Power Supply
Input Voltage AC 90 ~ 250V, 50/60Hz Type SMPS Power Consumption Max. 20W Standby Power Max. 8W Protection Separate Internal Fuse & Lighting protection

Physical Specification
Size (W x H x D) 260mm X 55mm X 210mm Weight (Net) 1.6Kg Operating Temp. 0°C ~ +45°C Storage Temp. -10°C ~ +70°C
This item consists of the following items

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1 VISIONSAT IV-200 PVR SATELLITE RECEIVER
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1 GEOSATPRO 90CM SATELLITE DISH ANTENNA
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1 SINGLE UNV FTA SATELLITE LNBF- MINI

Information and disclaimer:

Every week SatelliteAV will post a receiver to be given away to a SatelliteGuy. The weekly prize will be awarded to a member who has posted to this thread during the previous week. The theme of the current reply will be posted along with the receiver (I.E. Name your Favorite FTA Channel).

The receivers are manufacturing samples that have been provided by a manufacturer for testing or approval. Satellite AV has enough sample receivers to keep this contest going for over a year!


Satellite AV will attempt to provide as much information about the receiver in the posts, but we will not respond to questions regarding the product specifications or provide product support. Please do not PM or request product support from our sales or support team members. Failure to comply with this request could result in the termination of this contest. Please understand that instead of recycling these items, Satellite AV will offer SatelliteGuys hobbyists some pretty interesting stuff that may or may not ever be on the market!

The winner will be responsible for shipping cost and we will ship anywhere on your dime! All packages will be shipped by USPS or FedEx. If the winner wishes not to claim the prize or does not respond to our SatelliteGuys PM notification and provide the payment for postage within 10 days, the prize will be forfeited and the unit will be offered again in a future post.

This contest is open to any SatelliteGuys member in good standing with the exception of Satellite AV staff and members of their families. A random drawing will be made by a member of our staff every Wednesday.



Question of the Week:

While growing up, my most memorable 4th of July was when .......
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Anole
Yea, those stories have been quite entertaining! - :up
Congrats, Grumpy.
Thanks, SatAV.
A really special prize package for the holiday.
GrumpyGuy
Thank you, Brian! Even before this pleasant surprise, you and your crew at Satellite AV were tops in my book.

Also, thank you to everyone who participated. Your stories brought back a lot of memories of my own Independence Days past.

This system will be my first PVR capable setup, and I am very much looking forward to getting it up and running.
rv1pop
Congrats GrumpyGuy! Maybe this will help change your confession to VeryHappyGuy!
I agree Brian and crew are the greatest, they are always doing their best and never putting the other guy down.
M
congrats!
M
Not to change the subjet, but that USB key thats pictured with this give away looks like Ironkey's USB thumbdrive I have. https://www.ironkey.com/
brittanygarden
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Please post your remote make/model here and any details of your issue. We are looking to collect as many examples as possible. I may reach out to you for your receiver number, but please do not post it here.

If you've already reported this to me, please repost it here so I can track all instances in one thread.

Thanks!
Brittany
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bookworm370
I have a solution that is guaranteed to work.
All Hopper developers are required to turn in their RF Hopper remotes and use only IR remotes.

I guarantee you that the bug will be fixed in two days!
Try it; it will work! They will work 24 hours a day to fix it when the WAF goes into the toilet!
GRB1959
I have a solution that is guaranteed to work.
All Hopper developers are required to turn in their RF Hopper remotes and use only IR remotes.

I guarantee you that the bug will be fixed in two days!
Try it; it will work! They will work 24 hours a day to fix it when the WAF goes into the toilet!
Excellent suggestion.
Foxbat
I think I have a separate issue with our Hopper 3 when watching/recording a 4K event. I have had many instances of it spontaneously restarting when I "disturbed" it during a 4K event. I learned to not touch the remote after a given point.

But it might be the IR code subroutine and 4K that make it touchy. I'll try it Wednesday night during the NLCS Game 3.
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JeffN9
I think I have a separate issue with our Hopper 3 when watching/recording a 4K event. I have had many instances of it spontaneously restarting when I "disturbed" it during a 4K event. I learned to not touch the remote after a given point.

But it might be the IR code subroutine and 4K that make it touchy. I'll try it Wednesday night during the NLCS Game 3.
I was having similar issues last night while watching and recording the NLCS game on 148. When I tried resuming the game at one point the screen went blank and I couldn't get my H3 to respond to any remote commands. Eventually the Hopper went to a HD channel but still no remote response. After a while the Hopper went into a re-boot cycle. This happened at least 3 times. I was using an IR universal remote only.

A little frustrating to have the game broken up like that but at least the Brewers won:)
bookworm370
Excellent suggestion.
Yea, I've only been a CIO for the last 30 years! :)
Trust me, when something important breaks, they get to own it!
A
Loaded H713 software on my Hopper 3 last week. Have not seen any change in the IR/RF remote issues with my Harmony 700.
Has Dish acknowledged this is a problem and are they committed to fixing it?
I'd be happy to roll back to last July.
long_time_Dish
Loaded H713 software on my Hopper 3 last week. Have not seen any change in the IR/RF remote issues with my Harmony 700.
Has Dish acknowledged this is a problem and are they committed to fixing it?
I'd be happy to roll back to last July.
Absolutely!!!
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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In Time - Kit Watkins
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Time In a Bottle - Jim Croce
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No Time -- The Guess Who
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The Devil Went Down to Georgia - Charlie Daniels
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Down On My Knees - Bread
J
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).

On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
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Almighty1
Thanks JohnGalt1234 - That's interesting. I wonder are the Boot Strap versions different between a Hopper 3 only and a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup as I have the later. I guess when charlesrshell is able to since he has both setups, he can do the test. Unless the bootstrap version is tied to when the specific Hopper 3 is manufactured, in my case, mines is from February 2016 when it was installed.

At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.

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This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.
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Sorry about dupe images... having a heck of a time trying to post an image of other H3 that my gf text to me.
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Sorry about dupe images... having a heck of a time trying to post an image of other H3 that my gf text to me.
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Thanks JohnGalt1234 - That's interesting. I wonder are the Boot Strap versions different between a Hopper 3 only and a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup as I have the later. I guess when charlesrshell is able to since he has both setups, he can do the test. Unless the bootstrap version is tied to when the specific Hopper 3 is manufactured, in my case, mines is from February 2016 when it was installed.

At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.

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This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.
The image I just sent for master H3 is on hopper+., casino is not but both Vs and bootstraps are the same.
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Almighty1
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.
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As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.
It is not just a display signal as explained above. When you have the Hopper+ connected, it uses Android TV for pretty much everything except for the satellite signal which is why it uses the DISH app for the standard Hopper 3 functions. But that should not matter because in your case, CasinoH3 is the Hopper 3 with the EHD which is what you call the naughty one based on the dates you mentioned and Master Bedroom which has the Hopper Plus connected to the Hopper 3 that does not have the problem. So one way to test the theory is disconnect the Hopper Plus from that Hopper 3 and then use the EHD's connected to CasinoH3 currently to see if the same issue exists. That way you will know if the problem is there without a Hopper Plus connected or if CasinoH3 is just a bad hopper to begin with.

Normally when you disconnect the Hopper Plus, it will be 30 minutes or more before you can use the Hopper 3 again.

What you want to do is:
hold the POWER button in, not the red reset button, for about 45 seconds or so while disconnecting the power to the Plus and moving the HDMI cable and it will reboot to the normal Hopper only immediately.
Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
AZ.
AZ.
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
Jimbo
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
AZ.
AZ.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
Jimbo
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
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AZ.
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
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Jimbo
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.
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One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.
A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.
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meStevo
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one 🤣
Foxbat
They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call
meStevo
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A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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meStevo
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
harshness
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
meStevo
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
harshness
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
meStevo
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
harshness
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
meStevo
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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harshness
This is true of literally anything, though.
Do you think that means we ought to be supporting it as the long-term solution?
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dishstaller
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I was watching some of this guy's stuff and realized some of you may not be familiar. Basically his show is Candid Camera meets a magician. This is a comp of a few of his exploits. I first learned of him when I was out at a meeting in Denver about 10yrs ago. The men I was sitting at the table with started talking about this show and said it was one of the funniest things they had seen. When I got home I started watching it....yes, it is funny.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIU09F8jdwc
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This one however is my all time favorite. Look at the way this guy holds the drill when he starts freaking out.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt5DpFBtZwk&pp=ygUXY2FyYm9uYXJvIGVmZmVjdCByb21sZXk%3D
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Gary Toma
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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K
Now testing on the stream server:
WJBF-D2 CW Augusta GA
KSVI-D2 CW Billings MT
WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
K
PISTONS and THUNDER are finally testing on the stream server. PISTONS is showing the Ion/Scripps Sports promo loop filler that their NHL and WNBA feeds have, THUNDER has a "You are watching Thunder+" slate

The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

So far nothing testing for the Bucks, Magic, Hawks or Hornets.
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WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
These are now live on stream and weren't testing on satellite as of yesterday:
WETM-DT/19 CW Elmira
WJET-DT/25 CW Erie
KLFY-DT/11 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 CW Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 CW Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 CW Utica
KFDX-DT/4 CW Wichita Falls
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The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.
West Palm Beach is getting it on WTCN-CD/43 MNT. Still nothing for Fort Myers


Also, the Thunder's deal for KSBI/52 OKC and KQCW/19 Tulsa will be via a special cable and DIRECTV only feed of those stations. OTA viewers and Dish customers will be limited to 10 games.
dtv757
Thanks for the updates on CW norfolk
Hopefully comes to sat soon!!
dtv757
Not seeing 44 (WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk ) on my D* app for firestick
K
It's only available for streaming customers, they still haven't added that batch of CW stations to satellite.

Even if it was, satellite customers still can't stream their CW affiliates via the app, just the Big 4, select PBS stations and some independents (mainly the ones that have full season NHL/NBA rights)
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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KAB
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.
Jimbo
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.
I'm curious how they are going to implement Tony into Origins (If they do) ...
Tony was introduced to Gibbs and the team, on NCIS, which makes it the Mothership side of things, he worked in Baltimore prior to NCIS, NO mention when they met that anyone had known one another ...
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I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.
Teased Meeting ?
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
Anyone making their own breakfast sausage? I've recently been trying different recipes, found some I like, some I've modified...
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navychop
Bob Evans Sage.
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Bob Evans Sage.
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
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dfergie
They run Owens at $3.99 for lb and $7.99 a couple times a month at some grocery stores here, I actually was wrong, just checked a pork sirloin roast it was $1.99 a lb. (cooked it yesterday so pack was in trash)
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TRG
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

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Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

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No Kroger's near me. I live in the heart of Walmart land. The only option besides Walmart is Harp's.
TRG
TRG
I live in the heart of Walmart land.
My deepest condolences.
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My deepest condolences.
Surprisingly I moved here from the Gulf Coast due to the heat. But it has been hotter here due to the heat domes than it did down there.