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what is the Fcc reg # that regulates where you can and where you cant have a Dish? Thanx.
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hyperguy
I went to a apt. complex the other day for a install since they only offer dish but they would not let me install it because some company they have a contract with is only allowed to install it and that company is ripping off these old people they do not allow them to get the receivers from dish they have to lease them from them and they charge a $300 deposit for a 625 telling them they cost $475 each
whiplash123
I own an apartment building and wish I would get free tv... everyone is allowed to put a dish on our roof or balconys as long as it's non penetrating roof mount or a skid. A few years ago we just about threw a Be** installer off the roof for not getting my permission, didn't sign the saftey waiver, was scratching the roof with the ladder and trying to drill into the roof! They've since change the policy about getting landlord permissions before starting work.
Tyralak
I own an apartment building and wish I would get free tv... everyone is allowed to put a dish on our roof or balconys as long as it's non penetrating roof mount or a skid. A few years ago we just about threw a Be** installer off the roof for not getting my permission, didn't sign the saftey waiver, was scratching the roof with the ladder and trying to drill into the roof! They've since change the policy about getting landlord permissions before starting work.

I'm curious. What kind of laws regarding satellite placement do they have where you are? Here they have the FCC rules which state you cannot be outright prevented from having a dish, but depending on the circumstance, reasonable restrictions may apply. Do they have anything similar up there in America's hat?
Anole
who pays for this?

If apartments really don't want dishes everywhere, like many look, they should put appropriate dishes on the roof for each service and drop a line for whichever apartment wants that service.
On the surface, this sounds like a great idea for the renters.
Installers would love it!
The renter calls up Dish, who brings out a receiver and plugs it into the wall, and they're done!

I sat down with a buddy who owns several small apartment buildings recently, for a brainstorming session on just how to do this.
Many of the residents would want International, and of course you'd also need Hi Def.
So, for Dish Network, that's four satellite dishes.
Then there is liability for signal outages... who does the customer call?
Turned out, it would cost quite a bit of money for hardware, not to mention the expense running all the cables.
Support for the dual-tuner receivers complicated the matter, even more.

And this was just for Dish Network.
We never even considered DirecTV.
So, the idea was dropped.
Tyralak
On the surface, this sounds like a great idea for the renters.
Installers would love it!
The renter calls up Dish, who brings out a receiver and plugs it into the wall, and they're done!

I sat down with a buddy who owns several small apartment buildings recently, for a brainstorming session on just how to do this.
Many of the residents would want International, and of course you'd also need Hi Def.
So, for Dish Network, that's four satellite dishes.
Then there is liability for signal outages... who does the customer call?
Turned out, it would cost quite a bit of money for hardware, not to mention the expense running all the cables.
Support for the dual-tuner receivers complicated the matter, even more.

And this was just for Dish Network.
We never even considered DirecTV.
So, the idea was dropped.

If you do it yourself, yes. Dish Network has a commercial department. I've worked on commercial systems. There are two types. The more expensive, but less hassle for the customer QAM systems, which are essentially a small cable headend, and you use either a QAM receiver (351, 381) or a Qbox with a normal receiver to receive programming. Everything is mapped down to cable frequencies and goes through regular cable splitters. There's also the regular L-Band system which is great for small buildings. You have a 26" or 30" dish for each satellite location going into a bank of switches, with direct lines going to each room of each apartment. As expensive as that sounds, it's less than a QAM system. There's also a SMATV system. Those can be used in combination with a QAM or L-Band system to provide a selection of free channels and locals over analog frequencies (just like cable). But setting one up as your sole TV system is pretty gay. The tenant would only have whatever channels you manually install on the system, and it makes using a DVR difficult, because the listings won't match. Long story short: A building with a handful of apartments is best served with an L-Band system. A building with a crapload of apartments is best served with a QAM system. There usually isn't a lot of trouble with these systems, especially the L-Band ones. And if there is, generaly DNS takes care of it, as each customer has their own account. If you want to give it a second thought, you might want to contact Dish Network Commercial Services and ask a few questions.
jayn_j
I went to a apt. complex the other day for a install since they only offer dish but they would not let me install it because some company they have a contract with is only allowed to install it and that company is ripping off these old people they do not allow them to get the receivers from dish they have to lease them from them and they charge a $300 deposit for a 625 telling them they cost $475 each

I find this response interesting, as well as the previous one where the OP was going to pay a $75 fee and ask permission, while showing them the FCC memo.

Folks, they canno prevent you from erecting a DISH in your own controlled area, such as a patio. The HOA cannot prevent you from erecting a DISH on your property. They cannot charge a fee or ask for an approval period. See fhe following taken from the OTARD document (bold is mine):

OTARD said:
Q: What types of restrictions are prohibited?

A: The rule prohibits restrictions that impair a person's ability to install, maintain, or use an antenna covered by the rule. The rule applies to state or local laws or regulations, including zoning, land-use or building regulations, private covenants, homeowners' association rules, condominium or cooperative association restrictions, lease restrictions, or similar restrictions on property within the exclusive use or control of the antenna user where the user has an ownership or leasehold interest in the property. A restriction impairs if it: (1) unreasonably delays or prevents use of; (2) unreasonably increases the cost of; or (3) precludes a person from receiving or transmitting an acceptable quality signal from an antenna covered under the rule. The rule does not prohibit legitimate safety restrictions or restrictions designed to preserve designated or eligible historic or prehistoric properties, provided the restriction is no more burdensome than necessary to accomplish the safety or preservation purpose.

Q: What types of restrictions unreasonably delay or prevent viewers from using an antenna? Can an antenna user be required to obtain prior approval before installing his antenna?

A: A local restriction that prohibits all antennas would prevent viewers from receiving signals, and is prohibited by the Commission's rule. Procedural requirements can also unreasonably delay installation, maintenance or use of an antenna covered by this rule. For example, local regulations that require a person to obtain a permit or approval prior to installation create unreasonable delay and are generally prohibited. Permits or prior approval necessary to serve a legitimate safety or historic preservation purpose may be permissible. Although a simple notification process might be permissible, such a process cannot be used as a prior approval requirement and may not delay or increase the cost of installation. The burden is on the association to show that a notification process does not violate our rule.

Q: What is an unreasonable expense?

A: Any requirement to pay a fee to the local authority for a permit to be allowed to install an antenna would be unreasonable because such permits are generally prohibited. It may also be unreasonable for a local government, community association or landlord to require a viewer to incur additional costs associated with installation. Things to consider in determining the reasonableness of any costs imposed include: (1) the cost of the equipment and services, and (2) whether there are similar requirements for comparable objects, such as air conditioning units or trash receptacles. For example, restrictions cannot require that expensive landscaping screen relatively unobtrusive DBS antennas. A requirement to paint an antenna so that it blends into the background against which it is mounted would likely be acceptable, provided it will not interfere with reception or impose unreasonable costs.
whiplash123
I'm curious. What kind of laws regarding satellite placement do they have where you are? Here they have the FCC rules which state you cannot be outright prevented from having a dish, but depending on the circumstance, reasonable restrictions may apply. Do they have anything similar up there in America's hat?

In Canada we have the CRTC they will be sending this information in a few days and I'll post it here.

Below is a link to Bell's permission request form for landlords.
http://www.bell.ca/web/tv/en/all_regions/pdfs/letterofpermission.pdf
whiplash123
Tyralak, here is the information you requested:

The Commission's (CRTC) policy with respect to television distribution is to foster consumer choice among competing distributors of programming services.
With regard to multiple-unit dwellings, the Commission's regulations generally prohibit a distributor from entering into an exclusive agreement with a building owner for the distribution of programming services to the building. Specifically, under the Commission's regulations, a distributor may enter into such an exclusive arrangement with a building owner only when it is not technically feasible for more than one distributor to provide service to the building. Even then, the Commission has identified certain circumstances in which exclusive arrangements would be considered an "undue preference" and would, therefore, be prohibited under section 9 of the Broadcasting Distribution Regulations.
A distributor may complain to the Commission when it has reason to believe that a competing distributor has entered into an exclusive arrangement with a building owner. The Commission assesses such complaints against distributors on a case-by-case basis.
That being said, note that we do not intervene directly in contractual matters between a landlord and a tenant (for example, a landlord may decide that it does not want satellite dishes on his property). Further, the Commission is generally not in a position to compel an unwilling building owner to permit a competing distributor to provide service to a building.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Another PARK Another Sunday-The Doobie Brothers
ClarkGable
Another One Bites The Dust - Queen
Bobby
Oh Susanna, Dust off the Old Pianna - Ozzie Nelson & His Orchestra
harshness
Garden Party - Ricky Nelson
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The Garden - Rush
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osu1991
Pub Member / Supporter
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:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.
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vazhog
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
Foxbat
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."
harshness
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit?
Because health care shouldn't be a political issue?
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that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
what about the welfare kings and queens :rolleyes:
osu1991
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."
I didn't start it as a political statement and have no interest in the political BS of this country. Everyone wants to make everything political nowadays. This was just my rant over the outrageous increase in my premiums and how unaffordable healthcare is becoming to the average person here.

admin can close or delete it if they don't want here.
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Bobby
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."
There are no dues to be paid to be in the Pit. You just have to use the password which is clearly shown when you try to log in to it.
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I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.
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Understood. But here's the rub - Google Assistant setup is ALSO missing from the Hopper Plus setup. I'm a paraplegic.and need to use voice controls as much as possible but I can't press a button on the remote to activate Google Assistant. I prefer ALEXA (or ALEXA+) but I have one older google device and will go that route IF they make it available. BTW calling Dish Customer Service is no help- they just say they have no info on if/when there will be an update.
navychop
Ungood.
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What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?
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navychop
Tell Alexa verbally what to do.
snissen
What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?
I stand up from my chair with my glass in one hand and my plate in the other, when a story I really want to hear comes on the TV. So I say, "Alexa, pause DISH", and it waits for me to return from the kitchen, at which time I say, "Alexa, resume DISH".

Or maybe, when I return with a full glass in one hand and a new plate in the other, I realize I forgot to pause to hear this good story from its start. So I say, "Alexa, skip DISH backwards 3 minutes", and I still get to catch the whole story.

I use this every day. Or until I acquire a third hand.
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
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dishstaller
If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.
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Scott Greczkowski
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!
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Scott Greczkowski
Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working. :)
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(((Garyd)))
If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.
Your old link triggered my Bitdefender today.
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ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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Almighty1
Bruce
News about the tower's dispute-

comfortably_numb
News about the tower's dispute-


So does this mean the churches and businesses that Dish owes back payments to are going to get paid now?
nelson61
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They note that the Dish Wireless radios at issue support the 2GHz and 800MHz spectrum SpaceX is acquiring from EchoStar and Grain.

"Buying compatible equipment already installed on towers could give SpaceX a head start on its wireless terrestrial network build and throw a big bucket of cold water on Verizon's four-to-six-year timeline and $300-$500 billion estimate for SpaceX's buildout," said the analysts."
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Regular$5.839​
Premium$6.299​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?
Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.
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Bobby
Regular$5.699​
Premium$6.199​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
osu1991
Was just out running errands and saw $3.69 at most places
dfergie
$4.04 most places, Diesel $5.85...