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I'd never install anything HD with flat cable. It's just not good enough to carry the full signal.

toober said:

I'd never install anything HD with flat cable. It's just not good enough to carry the full signal.

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Total BS in basket!

charper1 said:

Total BS in basket!

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Charper DirecTv has removed flat cable from it's approved equipment list. That across the whole board. Anyone still using flat cable for install or upgrades are in violation. Any job Q.C that has flat cable is an automatic fell and chargeback to the HSP company.

grydlok said:

Charper DirecTv has removed flat cable from it's approved equipment list. That across the whole board. Anyone still using flat cable for install or upgrades are in violation. Any job Q.C that has flat cable is an automatic fell and chargeback to the HSP company.

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Then kudos and apology to the installer; I can admit being wrong on my guess as to why it was not used; BUT I still stand by get it run in a "temp" fashion and then modify with the jumpers because they work JUST FINE. So this post is STILL "Total BS in basket!"

Originally Posted by toober View Post
I'd never install anything HD with flat cable. It's just not good enough to carry the full signal.

charper1 said:

Then kudos and apology to the installer; I can admit being wrong on my guess as to why it was not used; BUT I still stand by get it run in a "temp" fashion and then modify with the jumpers because they work JUST FINE. So this post is STILL "Total BS in basket!"

Originally Posted by toober View Post
I'd never install anything HD with flat cable. It's just not good enough to carry the full signal.

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It may be the higher failure rate due to abuse by subs who can't seem to understand that opening and closing that door/window will damage the cable. Flat cable also isn't rated to use for KAKU use.

grydlok said:

It may be the higher failure rate due to abuse by subs who can't seem to understand that opening and closing that door/window will damage the cable. Flat cable also isn't rated to use for KAKU use.

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Well then, we cant have people actually opening and closing doors now can we? How dare they actually use their house as it was designed to be used. Perhaps the real culprit is not the homeowner but the rocket scientists at D* and the "people" here that thought using flat cable in doors and windows was acceptable to begin with.

vurbano said:

Well then, we cant have people actually opening and closing doors now can we? How dare they actually use their house as it was designed to be used. Perhaps the real culprit is not the homeowner but the rocket scientists at D* and the "people" here that thought using flat cable in doors and windows was acceptable to begin with.

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If I called your remark as an idiot remark I might get banned. If you thought for one second outside youre own little world and realized that it people who rent and the landlord requested no drilling flat cable was their only option. If you subscribe to Dish, or Direct knowing full well that no drilling in the apt, and the tech would have to use flat cable have the phucking sense not to slam the damn door on it repeatedly or just get cable.

Recently had the pleasure of going to a customers appartment to replace the flat cables. I didn't do the job for other reasons. Can't go into here. Anyway, we have 12 workorders from DirecTv and who knows how many internal ones since April for this guy. Why? Because he continues to slam his patio door on those cables.

He has had no signal more than he has had signal. I don't know what it will take to convice this guy to stop slamming his door, but, until that happens, someone will keep going out and replacing the cables. Won't be me though.

I seen a power 4x8 and a power DPP44 cause the flat cable to catch fire. Flat cable are good on window where you don't need to open and close the window. Putting it on sliding doors have a higher rate of a repeat service call.

Flat jumpers still work OK. It's just that in most cases they take a beating and have to be service over and over again. Now I'm talking about the average customer that doesn't know anything but plug and play. If you do it yourself you should have no problems. I've done it for years without any issues.

As far a charging more for drilling that's incorrect. In my area the large sub installer is DirecTech and they pay their guys $30.00 an install no matter how long the job takes. For the most part they do lousy work because they are rushing through the jobs to get the volume in. Some other companies pay $80.00 to $100 for installing the dish and the first receiver and $20.00 for each additional receiver but in this case you usually have to be self insured and set up as a business. The rates suck. they've been the same for over 5 years. To make good money doing residential installs you need to be a dealer or do commercial installs where the owner pays you for the work.

grydlok said:

If I called your remark as an idiot remark I might get banned. If you thought for one second outside youre own little world and realized that it people who rent and the landlord requested no drilling flat cable was their only option. If you subscribe to Dish, or Direct knowing full well that no drilling in the apt, and the tech would have to use flat cable have the phucking sense not to slam the damn door on it repeatedly or just get cable.

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I will refrain from name calling and I unlike you will not even use the word in my post. D* no longer allows the flat cable and for good reason. Last time I checked windows and doors had a function. This function ruins the cable eventually.

Evidently the problem is that way way to many installers and customers and a few trolls dont understand the proper way of installing a flat cable in a window or door frame. All the ones that I ever saw that had failed were installed in the impact zone where the door edge or window edge would make forced contact with its frame.

The original flat cable isnt rated for the newer systems and its center conductor is as thin as the really cheap rg59 stuff that came with kmart vcr's. The new flat cable that dishnetwork uses is considerably more heavy duty in its outer casing as well as the connectors and the clips that hold them inplace and the center conductor. Give it time and direct will adopt these new flat cables once the court case is settled.