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Because it was unlikely that I would be getting a couple of my HD channels via Dish anytime soon, I had a crossfire antenna 3677 and channel master 7777 oreamo professionally installed. I live in a valley about 40 miles from the transmitters with lots of mountains between me and the towers. To my surprise I get signal strengths in the high 60's and 70's on my 722 and also on my 622 Dish receivers. But I am having two problems.
First, all the transmitters except wypx are on the same antenna farm in the Heiderbergs. However, I am not able to receive WRGB (39) WCWN (43) and WYNA (15), but WTEN (26), WXXA (7), wmht (34) WYPX (55), wnyt (12) all have the same signal strength of 68-72 on my dish receivers. Numbers in parentheses are all real and not virtual channel numbers.
Second, wten will be on for 15 minutes and the signal will then drop to 0, then it will be on for several hours and then drop out, channel 34 also gets dropouts but less so, 55 even less so, 12 even less so, and 7 will have blocking but never goes to 0. The problem seems to be greatest during the day.
The installer tried over pointing the antenna (which should have ok directionality to begin with) to try see if that would help. The stations are at about 10 o'clock and he pointed them up to 11 and down to 9. We disconnected the pre-amp to see if that will help.
WRGB and WXXA are the two most important because they are unlikely to be on Dish in HD. After Feb, WRGB-HD will be on real channel 6-1. Since the VHF seem less affected, things may be fine then.
He suggested that the problem might either be multipath because of the valley, or WCDC (34 digital, analog 19) which is about 13 miles a way and transmits to most of western mass and southern vt and even NH, might be overpowering the antenna. Channel 19 is about 2 o'clock. If it is overpowering the antenna then again I should be fine come Feb. I can not receive 34 - it has 0 signal.
Also in the equation are a radio FM antenna at about 5 o'clock so behind the antenna and a metal cage over the chimney (in front of the antenna) to keep animals out. There are trees, but no building taller than 2 stories.
I am also getting a converter box to see if that tuner exhibits the same issues.
Because I can no longer walk steady enough on a roof, I will need to get someone back.
So my question, is what are the best guesses before getting someone else to look at the situation?
Thanks.
First, all the transmitters except wypx are on the same antenna farm in the Heiderbergs. However, I am not able to receive WRGB (39) WCWN (43) and WYNA (15), but WTEN (26), WXXA (7), wmht (34) WYPX (55), wnyt (12) all have the same signal strength of 68-72 on my dish receivers. Numbers in parentheses are all real and not virtual channel numbers.
Second, wten will be on for 15 minutes and the signal will then drop to 0, then it will be on for several hours and then drop out, channel 34 also gets dropouts but less so, 55 even less so, 12 even less so, and 7 will have blocking but never goes to 0. The problem seems to be greatest during the day.
The installer tried over pointing the antenna (which should have ok directionality to begin with) to try see if that would help. The stations are at about 10 o'clock and he pointed them up to 11 and down to 9. We disconnected the pre-amp to see if that will help.
WRGB and WXXA are the two most important because they are unlikely to be on Dish in HD. After Feb, WRGB-HD will be on real channel 6-1. Since the VHF seem less affected, things may be fine then.
He suggested that the problem might either be multipath because of the valley, or WCDC (34 digital, analog 19) which is about 13 miles a way and transmits to most of western mass and southern vt and even NH, might be overpowering the antenna. Channel 19 is about 2 o'clock. If it is overpowering the antenna then again I should be fine come Feb. I can not receive 34 - it has 0 signal.
Also in the equation are a radio FM antenna at about 5 o'clock so behind the antenna and a metal cage over the chimney (in front of the antenna) to keep animals out. There are trees, but no building taller than 2 stories.
I am also getting a converter box to see if that tuner exhibits the same issues.
Because I can no longer walk steady enough on a roof, I will need to get someone back.
So my question, is what are the best guesses before getting someone else to look at the situation?
Thanks.
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Here's a photo of my set-up which is subject to change at transition time. On top is the 91XG, below on the same mast is an old Radio Shack antenna. I am using only the folded dipole on the Radio Shack, I am not powering its amplifier I just have a Dollar Store balun hanging off the dipole so I can sum it with a LaCrosse which you can see just beyond the mast. The 91XG is amplified and used for Ch4 (59) and Ch13 (56), not seen in the photo is a wooden handle I use to turn the mast 90 degrees when I switch between Ch4 and Ch13. The 91XG is also used for Ch33, and in addition I get Ch21 and Ch62 off either antenna (analog or digital). The Radio Shack and the LaCrosse are summed in a Dollar Store splitter and used primarily for analog channels. The two coaxes go inside to a switch near the TV. It's all a bit complicated right now, but I'll sort it out into a usable configuration when I analyze the reality after transition.
Note the trees, about the same in all directions to towers. The foliage gives me rain-fade and multipath when it rains. Better reception when trees are bare.
Here's a photo of my set-up which is subject to change at transition time. On top is the 91XG, below on the same mast is an old Radio Shack antenna. I am using only the folded dipole on the Radio Shack, I am not powering its amplifier I just have a Dollar Store balun hanging off the dipole so I can sum it with a LaCrosse which you can see just beyond the mast. The 91XG is amplified and used for Ch4 (59) and Ch13 (56), not seen in the photo is a wooden handle I use to turn the mast 90 degrees when I switch between Ch4 and Ch13. The 91XG is also used for Ch33, and in addition I get Ch21 and Ch62 off either antenna (analog or digital). The Radio Shack and the LaCrosse are summed in a Dollar Store splitter and used primarily for analog channels. The two coaxes go inside to a switch near the TV. It's all a bit complicated right now, but I'll sort it out into a usable configuration when I analyze the reality after transition.Note the trees, about the same in all directions to towers. The foliage gives me rain-fade and multipath when it rains. Better reception when trees are bare.
Does someone still have the diagram showing how to connect two Hopper 3s again?
I currently have one H3 and one 4K Joey, set up through a 1000.2 eastern arc hybrid lnb and solo hub.
The plan is to replace the Joey with the second H3. Already purchased a duo hub and I have three coax cables coming in from outside, from back when I used to have the older 1000.4 dish and the hopper 2. I don't fully remember, but I think the other two coax cables are just tied up next to the dish outside; will have to check again.
I currently have one H3 and one 4K Joey, set up through a 1000.2 eastern arc hybrid lnb and solo hub.
The plan is to replace the Joey with the second H3. Already purchased a duo hub and I have three coax cables coming in from outside, from back when I used to have the older 1000.4 dish and the hopper 2. I don't fully remember, but I think the other two coax cables are just tied up next to the dish outside; will have to check again.
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
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Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
www.tvtechnology.com
Pearl TV Issues Progress Report on Low-Cost 3.0 Converters in Advance of NAB Show New York
Group has secured lower pricing from key tech players to make less costly boxes available
www.tvtechnology.com
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It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.
There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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WHAT ABOUT THE INTERNET PART OF IT. NO ONE WANTS A BOX CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET EITHER.
It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.
There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
That would be handy. Download the latest RNA snippets that can be updated over 5G and no more shots! You're a Genius!Cough, cough. COVID vaccine implants.
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Susan Saint James, Emmy-Winning Star of ‘Kate & Allie’ and ‘McMillan & Wife,’ Dies at 80
Susan Saint James, the Emmy-winning actress who starred in "Kate & Allie," died Monday after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. She was 80.
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. can we say over priced garbage!!!
