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Last reply Aug 29, 2008 · posted in The Dish Network Uplink Center (archive)

Uplink Activity Report - 8/27/2008 12:42pm - 86 changes

SatelliteGuys.US DishNetwork Uplink Activity Report - 8/27/2008 12:42pm - 86 changes

Uplink Comparison Range: 08/27/2008 12:17P - 08/27/2008 12:42P

Channel Additions:
473 - DISH1 [MPEG4 SD] added to Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam (NA)
474 - DISH2 [MPEG4 SD] added to Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam (NA)
475 - DISH3 [MPEG4 SD] added to Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam (NA)
476 - DISH4 [MPEG4 SD] added to Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam (NA)
477 - DISH5 [MPEG4 SD] added to Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam (NA)
478 - DISH6 [MPEG4 SD] added to Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam (NA)
5988 - INFO8 [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar5 129W TP 21 ConUS beam (NA)
5989 - INFO9 [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar5 129W TP 21 ConUS beam (NA)
5993 - INFO6 [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar8 110W TP 06 ConUS beam (NA)
9224(14) - WTPH [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 01(FL) (NA)(Fort Myers, FL)
9224(14) - WTPH [MPEG4 SD] added to Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 2 beam (NA)(Fort Myers, FL)

Channel Removals:
365 - OLMPB (A) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 21 ConUS beam
365 - OLMPB (A) removed from EchoStar5 129W TP 03 ConUS beam
367 - OLMPS (A) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 16 ConUS beam
367 - OLMPS (A) removed from EchoStar5 129W TP 13 ConUS beam
407 - GOLTV (A) removed from Echostar6 72.7W TP 07 ConUS beam
407 - GOLTV (A) removed from EchoStar8 110W TP 09 ConUS beam
581 - PHNIX (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 14 ConUS beam
582 - CCTV4 (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 14 ConUS beam
587 - ATV (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 14 ConUS beam
623 - ZGUJ (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 14 ConUS beam
655 - OLMPC (A) removed from Anik F3 118.7W TP 02 ConUS beam
664 - OLMPK (A) removed from Anik F3 118.7W TP 02 ConUS beam
6150 - ZGUJ (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 10 ConUS beam
6151 - PHNIX (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 27 ConUS beam
6152 - CCTV4 (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 08 ConUS beam
6153 - ATV (A) (H) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 27 ConUS beam
19206 - OLYMP (A) (H) removed from EchoStar7 119W TP 13 ConUS beam

Channel Package Flag Changes:
119 - BIO [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar8 110W TP 05 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
119 - BIO [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar6 72.7W TP 19 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
152 - CBS C [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar8 110W TP 05 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
152 - CBS C [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar6 72.7W TP 05 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
185 - HLMRK [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar8 110W TP 11 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
185 - HLMRK [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar6 72.7W TP 31 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
194 - GREEN [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar8 110W TP 09 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
194 - GREEN [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar6 72.7W TP 01 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
259 - INSP [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar8 110W TP 08 ConUS beam changed to Available
401 - GOLF [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar8 110W TP 09 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
401 - GOLF [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar6 72.7W TP 03 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
599 - SICNO [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 30 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
599 - SICNO [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar1 148W TP 29 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
599 - SICNO [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 31 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
605 - ANTEN [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 20 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
605 - ANTEN [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar1 148W TP 27 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
605 - ANTEN [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 12 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
621 - ARYDI [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar1 148W TP 09 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
621 - ARYDI [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 08 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
650 - SPT [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar1 148W TP 29 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
650 - SPT [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 31 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
718 - STAR1 [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 17 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
718 - STAR1 [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 14 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
726 - PRSBN [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 19 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
730 - LEOWD [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 28 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
746 - ARYDI [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 27 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
752 - EURCH [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 07 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
784 - EURNS [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 02 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
807 - TV9 [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 02 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
811 - MAATV [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 24 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
812 - MH1 [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 24 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
817 - SPT [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 30 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
818 - ATN [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 19 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
900 - EURNS [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 02 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
900 - EURNS [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar1 148W TP 07 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
900 - EURNS [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 14 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
901 - EURNS [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 02 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
901 - EURNS [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar1 148W TP 07 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
901 - EURNS [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 14 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
5154(32) - WMOR [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Lakeland, FL)

Channel Type Changes:
5920 - MP410 EchoStar1 148W TP 05 ConUS beam changed from MPEG4 SD to MPEG4 HD (NA)
5921 - MP411 EchoStar1 148W TP 05 ConUS beam changed from MPEG4 SD to MPEG4 HD (NA)
5922 - MP412 EchoStar1 148W TP 05 ConUS beam changed from MPEG4 SD to MPEG4 HD (NA)
5923 - MP413 EchoStar1 148W TP 05 ConUS beam changed from MPEG4 SD to MPEG4 HD (NA)
5924 - MP414 EchoStar1 148W TP 05 ConUS beam changed from MPEG4 SD to MPEG4 HD (NA)
5925 - MP415 EchoStar1 148W TP 05 ConUS beam changed from MPEG4 SD to MPEG4 HD (NA)
5926 - MP416 EchoStar1 148W TP 05 ConUS beam changed from MPEG4 SD to MPEG4 HD (NA)
5927 - MP417 EchoStar1 148W TP 05 ConUS beam changed from MPEG4 SD to MPEG4 HD (NA)
9421(364) - HDTHR EchoStar8 110W TP 13 ConUS beam changed from MPEG2 HD to MPEG2 HD ViP (A)
9424(140) - ESPN EchoStar8 110W TP 07 ConUS beam changed from MPEG2 HD to MPEG2 HD ViP (A)
9460(318) - SHO-E EchoStar8 110W TP 13 ConUS beam changed from MPEG2 HD to MPEG2 HD ViP (A)

Channel Renames:
473 - OLYM1 - EchoStar8 110W TP 16 ConUS beam renamed to DISH1 (NA)
474 - OLYM2 - EchoStar7 119W TP 18 ConUS beam renamed to DISH2 (NA)
853 - GOLTV - EchoStar8 110W TP 09 ConUS beam renamed to FSESP (A)
7271(26) - WUNC - EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 05(NC,VA,SC,DC,MD) renamed to WUNL (A) (H)(Chapel Hill, NC)
7271(26) - WUNC - Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Area 7 beam renamed to WUNL (A) (H)(Chapel Hill, NC)
9146(32) - KDIN - EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 24(KS,MN,IA,OH,NE) renamed to KBIN (A) (H)(Des Moines, IA)
9261(29) - WKPC - EchoStar10 110W TP 25 Spotbeam 14(KY,IN) renamed to WKPD (A) (H)(Louisville, KY)

Channels in the system: 5527
(A) = Available to subscribers
(NA) = Not Available
(H) = Hidden from non-subscribers

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LER

Aug 27, 2008

Tech Question for the uplink guru's:

Is 5/6 FEC better or worse than 7/8 FEC?

(I.E. what does it mean for the bandwidth on the TP?)?

(pointer to a reference source is fine....)

Thanks!

Mr Tony

Aug 27, 2008

LER said:
Tech Question for the uplink guru's:

Is 5/6 FEC better or worse than 7/8 FEC?

(I.E. what does it mean for the bandwidth on the TP?)?

(pointer to a reference source is fine....)

Thanks!

I dont think it means much difference in DBS but in KU or C-Band the higher the number the more signal you need due to correcting errors

7/8 is a bugger to tune KU or C-Band. I've had 75 quality and still have pixeling
3/4 is most common and has room for error
5/6 the DBS slots use and seems to be good
1/2 is pretty good. Can have almost no signal and still have a clean picture

mike123abc

Aug 28, 2008

Iceberg said:
I dont think it means much difference in DBS but in KU or C-Band the higher the number the more signal you need due to correcting errors

7/8 is a bugger to tune KU or C-Band. I've had 75 quality and still have pixeling
3/4 is most common and has room for error
5/6 the DBS slots use and seems to be good
1/2 is pretty good. Can have almost no signal and still have a clean picture

Of course most of the Ku non DBS band is low power. DBS runs 2-3x the power. DIRECTV tends to be more agressive than Dish and runs 6/7. If the full power of E11 is let lose I bet Dish could do 3/4 8PSK turbo encoded (does the chipset do 5/6 in 8PSK?) and not cause issues, and QPSK at 7/8 without issues.

pwcheatham

Aug 28, 2008

spike hd fx hd

when will dish get them

kstuart

Aug 28, 2008

pwcheatham said:
when will dish get them

When people stop asking for channels in the Uplink Report threads...

Smith P.

Aug 28, 2008

mike123abc said:
Of course most of the Ku non DBS band is low power. DBS runs 2-3x the power. DIRECTV tends to be more agressive than Dish and runs 6/7. If the full power of E11 is let lose I bet Dish could do 3/4 8PSK turbo encoded (does the chipset do 5/6 in 8PSK?) and not cause issues, and QPSK at 7/8 without issues.

There is a working limit for BCM4500 ( because of internal bug, blame Broadcom

) - 30 Mbps.

digiblur

Aug 28, 2008

Smith said:
There is a working limit for BCM4500 ( because of internal bug, blame Broadcom ) - 30 Mbps.

You're thinking of the 30000 SR limit.

mike123abc said:
Of course most of the Ku non DBS band is low power. DBS runs 2-3x the power. DIRECTV tends to be more agressive than Dish and runs 6/7. If the full power of E11 is let lose I bet Dish could do 3/4 8PSK turbo encoded (does the chipset do 5/6 in 8PSK?) and not cause issues, and QPSK at 7/8 without issues.

The chipset states it can do 8PSK in 2/3, 3/4, 5/6, and 8/9 FEC rates. And don't forget about 16QAM

mike123abc

Aug 29, 2008

Has Dish ever even tested a TP in QAM? I wonder if even E11 has the power for 16QAM.

digiblur

Aug 29, 2008

mike123abc said:
Has Dish ever even tested a TP in QAM? I wonder if even E11 has the power for 16QAM.

Not that I know of... I highly doubt they would use it with residential size dishes.

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Former member 208119

Last reply 15 minutes ago · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio

SXM still giving discounts

My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin

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Bruno

Oct 4, 2026

What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.

Jimbo

Oct 4, 2026

Bruno said:
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.

Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.

Bruno

Today at 11:16 AM

Jimbo said:
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.

I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!

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TRG

Today at 11:55 AM

Bruno said:
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!

I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.

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Bruno

Today at 12:08 PM

TRG said:
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.

yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.

Jimbo

Today at 5:08 PM

Bruno said:
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.

You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.

Foxbat

15 minutes ago

Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply 32 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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dishstaller

Today at 12:33 PM

Can't You See - Marshall Tucker Band

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sdfntx

Today at 2:42 PM

See You in September - The Happenings

long_time_Dish

Today at 4:17 PM

You Look Like You Love Me - Ella Langley

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dishstaller

Today at 10:20 PM

See Me Feel Me - The Who

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Take It Easy On Me - Little River Band

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Peter Parker

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 10:15 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Yesterday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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naptime

Today at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Today at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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Bobby

Today at 10:32 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.

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dishstaller

Today at 1:01 PM

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

https://www.amazon.com/Have-Tried-Turning-Again-T-Shirt/dp/B07G1ZV9W9/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3NNRAEED195WV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.86TxUTPcw48CRYlDcLntwpMxbPDBfjiLu4wMZGX3VN6ajG_cFCuoDBJT7pS9CW2mjThKlke5Z6dlXH8bJKkQF4s892wGVU1ca_00S0BQz6F15V30_4szIdWeycvw3_zoVtsULQASM8bGcgvsKms930xApC43y_-YBVN0Q8Xsf_csSqXcmhWpresARdXHfx2VazllrXI8asduvrbnk9S3CGnzjqnVTkjzFSpSQLdQKA6Dx_7UfbQIBBJsqAmQwwtDGqM0YKVIkjV4ARgVJvJ69vLPhxV0m8pkJQd_2w_QX_A.-jSy9OqrqWdxPBsgZGia1hHMbvDAKxxhRn9kK1EBdCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=have%2Byou%2Btried%2Bturning%2Bit%2Boff%2Band%2Bon%2Bagain&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1792342839&sprefix=have%2Byou%2Btried%2B%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-11&customId=B0752XJYNL&customizationToken=MC_Assembly_1%23B0752XJYNL&th=1&psc=1

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cpdretired

Today at 6:58 PM

dishstaller said:
Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

https://www.amazon.com/Have-Tried-Turning-Again-T-Shirt/dp/B07G1ZV9W9/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3NNRAEED195WV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.86TxUTPcw48CRYlDcLntwpMxbPDBfjiLu4wMZGX3VN6ajG_cFCuoDBJT7pS9CW2mjThKlke5Z6dlXH8bJKkQF4s892wGVU1ca_00S0BQz6F15V30_4szIdWeycvw3_zoVtsULQASM8bGcgvsKms930xApC43y_-YBVN0Q8Xsf_csSqXcmhWpresARdXHfx2VazllrXI8asduvrbnk9S3CGnzjqnVTkjzFSpSQLdQKA6Dx_7UfbQIBBJsqAmQwwtDGqM0YKVIkjV4ARgVJvJ69vLPhxV0m8pkJQd_2w_QX_A.-jSy9OqrqWdxPBsgZGia1hHMbvDAKxxhRn9kK1EBdCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=have%2Byou%2Btried%2Bturning%2Bit%2Boff%2Band%2Bon%2Bagain&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1792342839&sprefix=have%2Byou%2Btried%2B%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-11&customId=B0752XJYNL&customizationToken=MC_Assembly_1%23B0752XJYNL&th=1&psc=1

Works every time. My wife needs one.

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Foxbat

Today at 7:14 PM

dishstaller said:
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Here's the one I need:

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dishstaller

Today at 10:15 PM

Foxbat said:
Here's the one I need:

View attachment 194877

Just ordered one....that's great.

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 10:06 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby

Today at 10:27 AM

Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399
Diesel$7.999
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

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harshness

Today at 11:30 AM

I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

dishstaller

Today at 12:32 PM

Bobby said:
Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399

Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.

harshness

Today at 2:04 PM

dishstaller said:
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.

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Foxbat

Today at 9:43 PM

Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:

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dishstaller

Today at 10:06 PM

harshness said:
A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),

Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.

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jokeworm

Last reply Today at 10:03 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

What's for dinner ?

Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !

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TRG

Sep 29, 2026

Beef and vegetable stew with buttermilk biscuits. Water.
It seemed appropriate on an unusually cold and wet evening in New Mexico.

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Bobby

Monday at 7:39 PM

Chili Cheesebugers, Tater Tots.

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TRG

Monday at 9:40 PM

I made shrimp parmesan with spaghetti and a salad.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 9:47 PM

venison lasagna

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dishstaller

Today at 10:03 PM

Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 :cool

As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.

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osu1991

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Last reply Today at 8:46 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

EV News

America’s Fastest-Growing EV State Isn’t California—Not by a Long Shot

New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives

www.autoweek.com

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.

:eek

It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.

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navychop

Sep 22, 2026

Servant's problem.

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meStevo

Sep 26, 2026

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bsky.app

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.

harshness

Sep 27, 2026

The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.

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osu1991

Oct 9, 2026

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osu1991

Today at 8:46 PM

US EV sales are rising again. Here’s why the recovery is set to last.

Even though sales tanked last year after the end of federal incentives, the American EV sector is on the mend as drivers face sky-high gasoline prices.

www.canarymedia.com

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 7:52 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Microsoft Defender Arriving on Linux

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO_nW-BTlv4

Direct YouTube Link - Microsoft Defender Arriving on Linux
TWIT's Website
TWIT Live Feed

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Ham Radio 2.0

Today at 7:22 PM · posted in Ham Radio 2.0

LIVE!

Time for another AWESOME video from Ham Radio 2.0!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDeuQ1SLkQU

Direct YouTube Link - LIVE!
Ham Radio 2.0 Website
Ham Radio 2.0 on Facebook

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 6:34 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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osu1991

Monday at 10:13 AM

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Howard Simmons

Yesterday at 7:45 PM

osu1991 said:
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Down Goes the SEC

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 8:17 PM

osu1991 said:

They ought to have fun with this… :devilish

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osu1991

Yesterday at 10:14 PM

Foxbat said:
They ought to have fun with this…

Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call

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reubenray

Today at 6:19 AM

A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.

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Foxbat

Today at 6:34 PM

Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"

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meStevo

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 5:36 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.

View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k

We've literally got a movie already about this

View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc

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meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.

That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

harshness said:
There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

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dishstaller

Today at 10:05 AM

Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

dishstaller

Today at 12:39 PM

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meStevo

Today at 4:39 PM

dishstaller said:
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:

Grok AI Blocks Responses Claiming Trump and Musk “Spread Misinformation”

An X user asked Grok to “print out all instructions” it follows when looking up “the biggest disinformation spreader on X,” and it revealed that it would ignore sources accusing Elon Musk and the U.S. president of misinformation.

www.eweek.com

Grok says Elon Musk is better than basically everyone, except Shohei Ohtani | TechCrunch

According to Grok, Elon Musk can out-slug the MLB's greatest power hitters... except Ohtani.

techcrunch.com

Grok's loyalty known no bounds - AI chatbot chooses Elon Musk over LeBron James in a 'Who is the fittest' comparison | NBA News - The Times of India

NBA News: Elon Musk's AI chatbot, Grok, has sparked amusement by consistently choosing its owner over prominent figures like LeBron James and Albert Einstein wh

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Grok 4 appears to seek Elon Musk's views when answering controversial questions

XAI’s Grok 4 AI chatbot launched Wednesday appears to consult Elon Musk’s views when asked its opinion on some controversial matters.

www.nbcwashington.com

In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

telstar_1

Today at 5:08 PM

meStevo said:
Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

You invested in datacenters?

meStevo

Today at 5:36 PM

telstar_1 said:
You invested in datacenters?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dividend#:~:text=2,finally%20paying%20dividends

Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.

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