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danknapp76
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
When might we know something?
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J
Three corrections on factual issues:

1) Yes the Footprint 2.0 never ceased to exist, it continued without stopping while the new software update took place.
2) Yes, a contempt proceeding is not designed to determine if the design around is not infringing, rather to determine if the new design around is more than colorably different. And if more than colorable, the court cannot find contempt, it is not to "ignore" the order, it is that if more than colorable, the order was followed, no violation. If merely colorable, there will be a contempt, again no "ignoring" the order at all.
3) The exchange program had to do with the DVRs that was allowed to be continued used without any design around, absolutely nothing to do with the 4 million DVRs, don't mix the two.

Regarding 3), TiVo argued that for those DVRs (such as the 722s and 942s that were allowed to be used, not disabled), if they broke down, they could not be replaced with another 722 or 942, and TiVo was correct, because in the past it had always been that way, infringing products already in the field, often were allowed to continue (unlike the 4 million DVRs), but once they broke down, they could not be repaired or replaced with the same products, unless they were replaced with products that no longer infringed.

In this case, that is why E* is now replacing 722s and 942s with 622s, because E* decided not to install new software in 722 or 942, rather retired them. But remember the 622s would have still infringed had the new software not been installed in them.

The only way E* can get away with installing 622s to replace the 722s and 942s is if the new software in the 622s may not infringe. And for the same reason, the only way the 4 million DVRs can get away with not in contempt is also that, the new software may not infringe anymore.
Tyralak
Three corrections on factual issues:

1) Yes the Footprint 2.0 never ceased to exist, it continued without stopping while the new software update took place.
2) Yes, a contempt proceeding is not designed to determine if the design around is not infringing, rather to determine if the new design around is more than colorably different. And if more than colorable, the court cannot find contempt, it is not to "ignore" the order, it is that if more than colorable, the order was followed, no violation. If merely colorable, there will be a contempt, again no "ignoring" the order at all.
3) The exchange program had to do with the DVRs that was allowed to be continued used without any design around, absolutely nothing to do with the 4 million DVRs, don't mix the two.

Regarding 3), TiVo argued that for those DVRs (such as the 722s and 942s that were allowed to be used, not disabled), if they broke down, they could not be replaced with another 722 or 942, and TiVo was correct, because in the past it had always been that way, infringing products already in the field, often were allowed to continue (unlike the 4 million DVRs), but once they broke down, they could not be repaired or replaced with the same products, unless they were replaced with products that no longer infringed.

In this case, that is why E* is now replacing 722s and 942s with 622s, because E* decided not to install new software in 722 or 942, rather retired them. But remember the 622s would have still infringed had the new software not been installed in them.

The only way E* can get away with installing 622s to replace the 722s and 942s is if the new software in the 622s may not infringe. And for the same reason, the only way the 4 million DVRs can get away with not in contempt is also that, the new software may not infringe anymore.

I think you mean 721, The 722, like the 622, does not infringe.
J
I think you mean 721, The 722, like the 622, does not infringe.

You are right, the numbers throw me off sometimes.

I continued with the last post mainly because the so called "exchange program" was a different subject, it had to do with the 197,000 DVRs (721s and 94xs) that were left untouched. E* decided to just replace them with newer models rather with the same models, because as E* said, they were discontinued and there were not a lot of those in stock to replace the broken ones, why bother.

BTW, we cannot say the 722s or 622s do not infringe, because they had not been adjudicated. TiVo of course likes to eventually prove they all infringe, in fact in TiVo's view, everyone else's DVRs (such as DirecTV or Comcast or TW...) all likely infringe on its patent.

But a no contempt from the court could end TiVo's quest because it will mean E*'s new DVR technology can stand on its own. We shall see.
Hall
...in TiVo's view, everyone else's DVRs (such as DirecTV or Comcast or TW...) all likely infringe on its patent.
"Infringe" isn't the appropriate word in the case of DirecTV and Comcast though. They both have deals or agreements with TiVo and therefore are allowed, i.e. licensed, to use TiVo's technology.
Tyralak
"Infringe" isn't the appropriate word in the case of DirecTV and Comcast though. They both have deals or agreements with TiVo and therefore are allowed, i.e. licensed, to use TiVo's technology.

Not only that, DirecTV can drop their arrangement with Tivo at any time. There's a reason they bought ReplayTV. Now that they have Replay's patents, Tivo couldn't do sh*t to them anyway.
harshness
Not only that, DirecTV can drop their arrangement with Tivo at any time. There's a reason they bought ReplayTV. Now that they have Replay's patents, Tivo couldn't do sh*t to them anyway.
This is mostly (if not entirely) wrong.

Replay technologies aren't litigation free.
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jacmyoung said:
You can guess all you want, the fact is D* dropped over 580,000 DirecTiVo subs in the last FY, and is not selling much new DirecTiVo DVRs at all, everyone I read signing on to D* this year was getting D*'s own brand of DVRs.
You are correct. Until this agreement was signed, one cannot purchase a "new DirecTiVo DVR", as they are extremely hard to find.

However, losing subscribers that generate about a buck a month for TiVo does not translate to bad business. Losing subscribers that you do not own and that you receive only a fraction of recurring revenues only translates into a loss of market share.

Case it point: TiVo loses 580K subs from DirecTV in the course of a year, and on average that is about $30 million in lost revenue over the course of the past the year (assuming flatline quarter-over-quarter losses). Dish Network has a net loss of 25K subs in the course of a quarter, and that translates to $20 million in lost revenue over the course of the upcoming year. If some of those 25K subs are enticed to sign with Dish Network again, then add subscriber acquisition costs, and the costs aggregate more than the $20 million I mentioned.

The trending for new subscribers is still downward for both companies. Using myself as an example, I replaced one of my three DirecTV/TiVo units with a DirecTV DVR. TiVo loses out on a buck a month from the unit I retired, but they still receive two bucks for the two units I have active.

The question for TiVo is whether or not they are able to start marketing DirecTV with TiVo receivers soon, before the MPEG4 version is available. I'd think TiVo could restart the old R10's, the DirecTV with TiVo standard definition receivers. But that doesn't even truly matter, as TiVo I don't believe is trying to increase subsidies to signup new customers.

I have a strange feeling that the TiVo MPEG4 HD DVR for DirecTV will be unsubsidized. The recurring monthly fees may be fine, but I think the hardware price for this may be a bit higher than normal.
Tyralak
This is mostly (if not entirely) wrong.

Replay technologies aren't litigation free.

No, but if you'll research it a bit, you'll find that Replay and Tivo sued each other years ago, and settled on an agreement not to sue each other. Due mostly to the fact that they infringed on each other's patents. As Greg mentioned, Tivo is infringing on the play/ff/rew features that Replay patented. So unless Tivo wants to find themselves on the other end of a lawsuit, they won't try anything.
iwc5893
No, but if you'll research it a bit, you'll find that Replay and Tivo sued each other years ago, and settled on an agreement not to sue each other. Due mostly to the fact that they infringed on each other's patents. As Greg mentioned, Tivo is infringing on the play/ff/rew features that Replay patented. So unless Tivo wants to find themselves on the other end of a lawsuit, they won't try anything.

So what would happen to Dish if DirecTV bought TiVo?
vampz26
So what would happen to Dish if DirecTV bought TiVo?

Nothing...:confused:
SuperDish_Fan23
· posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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Former member 208119
Last reply · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio
My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin
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What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Jimbo
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
B
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
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TRG
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
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I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
Jimbo
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.
Foxbat
Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango💃🏽

The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Can't You See - Marshall Tucker Band
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See You in September - The Happenings
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You Look Like You Love Me - Ella Langley
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See Me Feel Me - The Who
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Take It Easy On Me - Little River Band
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
No idea what improvements might be involved.
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bookworm370
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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Bobby
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
Foxbat
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Here's the one I need:
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dishstaller
Here's the one I need:
Just ordered one....that's great.
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
dishstaller
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.
harshness
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.
On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.
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Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:
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A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),
Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.
jokeworm
Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
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TRG
Beef and vegetable stew with buttermilk biscuits. Water.
It seemed appropriate on an unusually cold and wet evening in New Mexico.
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Chili Cheesebugers, Tater Tots.
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TRG
I made shrimp parmesan with spaghetti and a salad.
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venison lasagna
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Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 :cool As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.
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osu1991
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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navychop
Servant's problem.
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Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
harshness
The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.
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Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Foxbat
They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
osu1991
They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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