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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I'm having significant issues with my Linksys router timing out, and need help. I'll try to be as detailed as I can.

I have the following:
- Linksys WRT54G v3 wireless router I purchased off eBay 3-4 years ago. Using 128-bit WEP secirity. Even though the model says WRT54G, my Linksys setup page says I have a WRT54GL. Don't know if that's pertinent but thought I'd include the info)
- HP desktop running Vista Home Premium
- Gateway Solo laptop (circa 3Q 2002) running WinXP SP3, and also have WPC54G - Wireless-G Notebook Adapter
- Gateway M275 Notebook running Windows XP Tablet Edition w/SP3, internal wireless card
- Linksys WRE54G Wireless Range Expander, v3

My broadband internet connects to my cable modem, which then runs via ethernet to my router. I have my desktop connected to my router via (wired) ethernet cable (port 1), and the two laptops connect wirelessly. All three computers on my network run just fine and have had no connection issues until I had two (2) DISH satellite receivers installed this past Friday (VIP722 and VIP222 - the VIP222 was installed by mistake, and shoud've been another VIP722).

Prior to installation, I knew I would need the two receivers hooked up to my network via ethernet cable. Since one receiver was in the same room as my router, it was easy to run an ethernet cable from my router to the receiver (port 2). I had a challenge with the upstairs receiver, because I didn't have a direct connection, and wasn't sure how to wire it. So, I used my range expander by plugging in the expander into a nearby outlet, then connecting the receiver to the expander via ethernet cable.

I had some issues getting a good signal, and did some troubleshooting but made it work. Now I had five devices connected to my router: two with a wired ethernet cable and three wirelessly.

I started having connection timeouts within about 3-4 hours of satellite [receiver] installation. All of the sudden I couldn't connect to the internet on ANY device; both laptops couldn't connect wirelessly, my desktop couldn't connect, and the receivers were telling me my connection was bad. I checked modem but there were no issues. Still, I unplugged the power cable from the modem for a minute, then reconnected - still no internet. I called my cable company to have them troubleshoot the modem, but they pinged it several times & got positive results - still no internet, so I ruled the modem out.

I tried using the Windows connection troubleshooter to repair the problem, and got a DNS error message (which I don't know how to fix). I decided to unplug my router for 10-15 seconds, then plug back in - that got my internet connection going again. That lasted a couple hours & then failed. I unplugged the router again (is that a soft reset or a power cycle?), then reconnected & was able to connect to the internet. This happened a few more times over the weekend, and finally I decided the expander might be the issue (both DISH and Linksys tech support was not very helpful).

I found a way to wire my second receiver via ethernet cable (port 3), so now I had three wired devices, and two wireless devices. I thought this would fix the problem; it didn't, but at least I learned how to wire CAT5 cable. So I got that going for me... which is nice.

I plugged the ethernet cable directly from my modem to my desktop to test the timeout, but had no issues - the modem just wasn't the problem.

I was getting some IP address conflicts on my Norton Inernet Security, so I uninstalled that from my desktop, disconnected the power from the modem, disconnected the power from the router, shut down all devices, reset the IP addresses on the receivers, deleted the wireless connection from the laptops, shut down the desktop, and just left the whole mess alone for half a day. Then I reinstalled the Norton Internet Security, connected my wired devices, plugged the modem in, plugged the router in, reset my security, connected wirelessly with my laptops.

Within an hour my connection timed out.

Trying to chat with tech support wasn't feasible, as my connection kept going out. A guy at work said I should ping my IP address, and let it repeat until my connection goes out. So I unplugged the router and plugged it back in to get an internet connection, the opened a cmd prompt and typed
ping 192.168.1.1 -t

I left it alone for a few hours, and when I came back, my internet connection was down, but I was still getting active pings - no problems there.

At this point I thought I had done everything except replacing my router (which I'm still tempted to do), but I called my broadband provider to see if there was anything they could do. One of the techs said I had too many devices connected to the internet, but I thought these routers were supposed to handle dozens of devices?

I finally called Linksys Tech Support and had a conversation for 90 minutes. We went through all the steps of unplugging the the modem, router & all connected devices, resetting the router, etc, etc. The only thing different he did was had me change my security from WPA to 64-bit WEP, and added passwords for DNA1 and DNS 2 (same password for each).

That was at 1:30am last night, and when I woke up to check my connection this morning, it was still connected. I have to check it again when I get home, but I'm wondering if I should just be prepared to get another router (and if so, any recommendations), or if there's something I'm still not doing that could resolve my issue - if I still have connection losses.

Also, I'm concerned about the security thing. If changing from WEP 128 or WPA to WEP 64 fixed my problem, I'm not sure I feel completely protected from intrusion - isn't that pretty much the least amount of security I can have (without forgoing it altogether)??

Finally, I've read a few threads suggesting possibly changing to static IP from DHCP; however, the receiver installation documentation specifically advises against this for the receivers. The Linksys tech said it was probably my receivers which were causing the problem, but I don't think this is the case. It's just another wired connection; it shouldn't be a problem.

Sorry for the LONG post, but like I said I want to be detailed. I would very much appreciate some help.
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WiCkeDuDe
I would agree that something with your dhcp settings is not correct. On the security side, WEP is easily cracked if anyone wanted to and its not much good. Your much better off to use WPA +TKIP or WPA2+ AES if your devices support it.
DishSatUser
Also, I'm concerned about the security thing. If changing from WEP 128 or WPA to WEP 64 fixed my problem, I'm not sure I feel completely protected from intrusion - isn't that pretty much the least amount of security I can have (without forgoing it altogether)??

Understand feeling a little more protected if using WPA, but don't concern yourself about not being able to use WEP 128.

Methods I use to "test the security of wireless networks" (legally and with the network testee's full approval and knowledge of such testing) will work on cracking WEP in less than 20 seconds even if the key length is 64 / 128 / 256 / 512. :eek:

So could any other script kiddie, hackawanabee and more.

It'll only keep the honest wireless users out and answsers the question on if you are allowing public access of your AP or not.

So unless you can use WPA, don't worry at all about the key length of WEP. It's a wet hanky in it's strength to restrain those who really want to get into your network.
DishSatUser
I would agree that something with your dhcp settings is not correct. On the security side, WEP is easily cracked if anyone wanted to and its not much good. Your much better off to use WPA +TKIP or WPA2+ AES if your devices support it.

Yep!! Much better. Some AP's only provide WPA+PSK, instead of WEP, and is still "crackable" as it's only a matter of eventually determining the pre-shared key which never rotates. Takes much more time and effort than WEP, but it's all about how bad someone wants into your network for the level of effort. Most don't care at all and if it's even a little amount of work will move on.

If you are keeping Palo Alto security secrets, you'll want to ditch that AP for something better.
vegassatellite
Two potential problem points I see are the possible sharing of the cable that is running the cable modem with the wiring serving the satellite receiver. You can check that by running ping tests on Google from your DOS prompt and checking for a full set of replies. Do this while connecting a computer directly to your cable modem without a router or other devices. Also, under that same direct setup, try going to 192.168.100.1, depending on your modem and check your levels. You want your downstream (receive) to be between -10 and +5. Your upstream (send) should be between +37 and +50. Any higher and you run into trouble. You could even trash the modem's transmitter if its pushing greater than +55. S/N or Signal To Noise should be greater than +30.

If all that checks out, then just run your system for a bit using a single computer on just the cable modem. If its reliable, add your router, but nothing else. Then, gradually add devices until it craps out. The last device is the problem device.
J
Ok i have been lurking here forever and finally a topic i cant put some input into :)
The first thing i would do is get rid of the crappy linksys firmware. I personally use 3rd party firmware that makes the router run SWEET!!! There are a bunch of 3rd party firmware out there and the easiest I have found is Tomato.. Luckily it runs only on early versions of lnksys routers.. Im not sure if we can post links here so Im going to PM you the link for tomato.. Its a simple upgrade .. you log into the linksys touter and go to the firmware update screen viayour wired PC select the new firmware image and click upgrade.. the only thing u have to do then is go back and do a nvram commit to clear everything from the old linksys settings out of memory..

Do any of the pc's run bittorrent or file sharing software?? Sounds like a common problem with the default linksys firmware just not being able to handle all the connections ( tomato lets you have more connections and times them out faster)
With your signal issues Tomato also lets you increase the antenna power so signal issues wont be a problem..

The problem is definattly the router... Try upgrading to tomato firmware and see if it helps..
C
Thanks everyone for all your input; it's very much appreciated.

After careful consideration (lack of time being the biggest factor), I've decided to not tinker any further. My system is working, with no outages. I've been able to maintain the WPA + TKIP. I've even gone so far as to only allow the specific device MAC addresses, and I'm still good to go.

I wish I had more time to try some more things out, but if I ever have problems, I'll know exactly where to come (without being quite so long-winded).

Thanks again,
Chris

(Jester - thanks for the links; I'll definitely try them out at the first chance I get)
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Another PARK Another Sunday-The Doobie Brothers
ClarkGable
Another One Bites The Dust - Queen
Bobby
Oh Susanna, Dust off the Old Pianna - Ozzie Nelson & His Orchestra
harshness
Garden Party - Ricky Nelson
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The Garden - Rush
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osu1991
Pub Member / Supporter
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:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.
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vazhog
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
Foxbat
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."
harshness
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit?
Because health care shouldn't be a political issue?
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that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
what about the welfare kings and queens :rolleyes:
osu1991
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."
I didn't start it as a political statement and have no interest in the political BS of this country. Everyone wants to make everything political nowadays. This was just my rant over the outrageous increase in my premiums and how unaffordable healthcare is becoming to the average person here.

admin can close or delete it if they don't want here.
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Bobby
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."
There are no dues to be paid to be in the Pit. You just have to use the password which is clearly shown when you try to log in to it.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.
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Understood. But here's the rub - Google Assistant setup is ALSO missing from the Hopper Plus setup. I'm a paraplegic.and need to use voice controls as much as possible but I can't press a button on the remote to activate Google Assistant. I prefer ALEXA (or ALEXA+) but I have one older google device and will go that route IF they make it available. BTW calling Dish Customer Service is no help- they just say they have no info on if/when there will be an update.
navychop
Ungood.
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What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?
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navychop
Tell Alexa verbally what to do.
snissen
What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?
I stand up from my chair with my glass in one hand and my plate in the other, when a story I really want to hear comes on the TV. So I say, "Alexa, pause DISH", and it waits for me to return from the kitchen, at which time I say, "Alexa, resume DISH".

Or maybe, when I return with a full glass in one hand and a new plate in the other, I realize I forgot to pause to hear this good story from its start. So I say, "Alexa, skip DISH backwards 3 minutes", and I still get to catch the whole story.

I use this every day. Or until I acquire a third hand.
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
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dishstaller
If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.
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Scott Greczkowski
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!
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Scott Greczkowski
Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working. :)
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(((Garyd)))
If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.
Your old link triggered my Bitdefender today.
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ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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Bruce
News about the tower's dispute-

comfortably_numb
News about the tower's dispute-


So does this mean the churches and businesses that Dish owes back payments to are going to get paid now?
nelson61
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They note that the Dish Wireless radios at issue support the 2GHz and 800MHz spectrum SpaceX is acquiring from EchoStar and Grain.

"Buying compatible equipment already installed on towers could give SpaceX a head start on its wireless terrestrial network build and throw a big bucket of cold water on Verizon's four-to-six-year timeline and $300-$500 billion estimate for SpaceX's buildout," said the analysts."
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Regular$5.839​
Premium$6.299​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?
Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.
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Bobby
Regular$5.699​
Premium$6.199​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
osu1991
Was just out running errands and saw $3.69 at most places
dfergie
$4.04 most places, Diesel $5.85...