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RayG

Last reply Oct 29, 2008 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Help With the Jargon

I have been reading a lot of posts to try and get an understanding of the technology employed in Dishnetwork.

This is a summary of what I think is correct. Please tell me if I am off base but do so nicely. I am very fragile psychologically.

1. MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 are digital compression technologies. They are neither video formats (like NTSC or PAL) nor are they signal encoding techniques.

2. Any digital signal can use either but MPEG-2 would use more bandwidth than MPEG-4

3. In the world of Dishnetwork Locals all the signals via satellite are digital at the delivery point whether they began as a local analog or local digital signal.

4. Most TV's process the digital signal from the receiver into an analog signal for display.

5. Thus the terms "analog" and "digital" (at least in reference to locals) are useful primarily to distinguish between the two original signals.

6. The term analog means the analog-encoded signal (current NTSC television) and is used because it refers to the network signal as it is broadcast to antenna users.

7. Likewise digital signal (current DT/only game in town in a few months) refers to the digitally-encoded signal that stations broadcast to antennas.

8. The programming carried on this (digital) signal may be standard definition (SD) or high definition (HD) but it is the same signal (channel).

9. There are some specialty channels (not networks) that are entirely high definition programming but these are the exception.

10. There are not and probably won't be network feeds that are exclusively high definition. If for no other reason because an HD feed hogs the whole signal where a station can put multiple SD feeds.

11. You can watch HD programming on any receiver/TV combination but if the receiver and TV are not capable of HD, it will be downgraded to SD.

12. All of Dishnetwork's receivers can process MPEG-2. A few can handle MPEG-4.

13. The requirement for an MPEG-4 receiver on the Eastern Arc is because all of the signals will be MPEG-4 encoded at some point. It does not have anything (directly) to do with analog/SD/HD programming.

14. HD programming is more likely to be compressed via MPEG-4 for the reasons stated above but there is no technical requirement to do so.

15. If EA (or any other) programming is compressed via MPEG-4 then you need an MPEG-4-capable receiver even if you never plan to watch an HD program.

Ok, release the hounds. :hungry

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Agonizing Fury

Oct 28, 2008

RayG said:
I have been reading a lot of posts to try and get an understanding of the technology employed in Dishnetwork.
This is a summary of what I think is correct. Please tell me if I am off base but do so nicely. I am very fragile psychologically.

1. MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 are digital compression technologies. They are neither video formats (like NTSC or PAL) nor are they signal encoding techniques.

Correct. If you want to be more specific, in the case of Dhish network, MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 are generally refering to video compression technologies

RayG said:
2. Any digital signal can use either but MPEG-2 would use more bandwidth than MPEG-4

Correct again. Technically a digital video signal can be compressed with any compression technology, Dish Network currently only uses MPEG-4 and MPEG-2. The downside to MPEG-4 is that it takes significantly more processing, both at the compressing end, and the receiving end, resulting in higher costs for equipment.

RayG said:
3. In the world of Dishnetwork Locals all the signals via satellite are digital at the delivery point whether they began as a local analog or local digital signal.

If I'm reading your statement corectly, you are again correct. Just I case I'm not, let me say it a different way. Dish receives local channel signals from the channel provider as either a digital feed, or as an analog feed. It is then converted to digital at an uplink center (and compressed using the applicable MPEG technolgy) then sent to a satellite to be sent to your receiver.

RayG said:
4. Most TV's process the digital signal from the receiver into an analog signal for display.

Incorrect, in most situations the receiver is converting the signal to analog for the television to display. The only exception to this is when a High definition receiver is connected to a television via an HDMI or DVI cable. You can still get a full HD signal on your TV via analog Component cables.

RayG said:
5. Thus the terms "analog" and "digital" (at least in reference to locals) are useful primarily to distinguish between the two original signals.

Generally when people refer to anolog vs. digital locals, they are refering to Over The Air Locals (via an antenna). Most people will talk about the difference as either having their locals being in HD, or just in Standard Definition.

RayG said:
6. The term analog means the analog-encoded signal (current NTSC television) and is used because it refers to the network signal as it is broadcast to antenna users.

If you are talking about local channels, yes generally. However the term "analog" is far to broad to generalize down to NTSC.

RayG said:
7. Likewise digital signal (current DT/only game in town in a few months) refers to the digitally-encoded signal that stations broadcast to antennas.

Again, if you are only talking about the field of local channels, yes, however not every discussion of analog vs. digital refers to locals, so this may be too broad of a genrealization. You could say digital OTA (Over the Air) singnal refers to the digitally encoded signal that stations broad cast to antennas

RayG said:
8. The programming carried on this (digital) signal may be standard definition (SD) or high definition (HD) but it is the same signal (channel).

Sort of...The digital over the air signal, although it only occupies the same bandwidth as one channel, may be carrying multiple feeds. Usually in digital there is an HD and SD feed encoded into one channel (and they are generally the same programming, although the formating may be different). Digital Over the Air channels may carry other "sub-channels" as well

RayG said:
9. There are some specialty channels (not networks) that are entirely high definition programming but these are the exception.

Not entirely sure what you are trying to state here as far as channels vs. networks. If you clarify the question I may be able to answer it.

RayG said:
10. There are not and probably won't be network feeds that are exclusively high definition. If for no other reason because an HD feed hogs the whole signal where a station can put multiple SD feeds.

False, As stated above, a local network can carry whatever feeds they want, as long as they don't exceed the bandwidth for one channel.

RayG said:
11. You can watch HD programming on any receiver/TV combination but if the receiver and TV are not capable of HD, it will be downgraded to SD.

Nope, Only HD receivers can decode high definition signal. In the case of HD locals, Dish will encode them as SD before being uplinked to the satellite for non-HD receivers (sometimes resulting in unfavorable cropping due to HDs 16x9 aspect ration compared to SD at 4x3)

RayG said:
12. All of Dishnetwork's receivers can process MPEG-2. A few can handle MPEG-4.

Correct, The ones that can process MPEG-4 all have model numbers that begin with VIP. The are the VIP211,211K,411,222,622,722,612(soon to come:VIP222K,722K, and 922).

RayG said:
13. The requirement for an MPEG-4 receiver on the Eastern Arc is because all of the signals will be MPEG-4 encoded at some point. It does not have anything (directly) to do with analog/SD/HD programming.

Correct. MPEG-4 compressed streams can be HD or SD. In reverse MPEG-2 can be either as well, however MPEG-4 compression requires less bandwidth for an equivalent quality signal.

RayG said:
14. HD programming is more likely to be compressed via MPEG-4 for the reasons stated above but there is no technical requirement to do so.

Correct, on dish network. However if were are talking about HD signals for an antenna, they will usually be MPEG-2 (as this was the standard for ATSC broadcasts). Dish will convert most of these to MPEG-4 before they are uplinked to conserve bandwidth.

RayG said:
15. If EA (or any other) programming is compressed via MPEG-4 then you need an MPEG-4-capable receiver even if you never plan to watch an HD program.

Correct.

RayG said:
Ok, release the hounds.:

I don't think I abused you too thoroughly. If you need further info on any of these feel free to ask. I wasn't always sure if you were talking about Dish Locals, OTA locals, or Dish network service in general for some of your questions which made them hard to answer clearly as they are all significantly different.

RayG

Oct 29, 2008

Thanks for your response. A couple of comments to clarify (I hope!)

Agonizing Fury said:
Generally when people refer to anolog vs. digital locals, they are refering to Over The Air Locals (via an antenna). Most people will talk about the difference as either having their locals being in HD, or just in Standard Definition.

I was trying to sort out the difference in the locals provided by Dish. For instance take WFRV, the Green Bay CBS affiliate. Dish provides the "analog" (the same as the NTSC OTA channel 5) on channel 9331 on 110. WFRV-DT, Channel 56* (the same as the ATSC OTA channel 56*) on DishChannel 5161 (from 61.5)

*I know that TV's are programmed to display this as Channel 5 but wanted to be technically accurate.

Now DishChannel 5161 may have HD programming if the station broadcasts HD programming. If the station decides to have 5 regular subchannels then they can't have HD programming at the same time. So calling 5161 "HD" seems to be misleading as is calling 9331 "SD" - since it isn't the station's digital signal at all. This is different than say, the History Channel HD (5313) which is exclusively HD programming (or at least mostly).

Sort of...The digital over the air signal, although it only occupies the same bandwidth as one channel, may be carrying multiple feeds. Usually in digital there is an HD and SD feed encoded into one channel (and they are generally the same programming, although the formating may be different). Digital Over the Air channels may carry other "sub-channels" as well

Not entirely sure what you are trying to state here as far as channels vs. networks. If you clarify the question I may be able to answer it.

False, As stated above, a local network can carry whatever feeds they want, as long as they don't exceed the bandwidth for one channel.

But they can't carry HD and multiple SD at the same time can they?

Nope, Only HD receivers can decode high definition signal. In the case of HD locals, Dish will encode them as SD before being uplinked to the satellite for non-HD receivers (sometimes resulting in unfavorable cropping due to HDs 16x9 aspect ration compared to SD at 4x3).

Really? In the case of OTA non-HD digital TV sets can display HD programming (with letterboxing etc. because of the different aspect ratios. Unless you are saying that the HD broadcast is accompanied by an identical SD signal. I just thought that an HD signal uses the whole channel by itself.

TheRatPatrol

Last reply 3 minutes ago · posted in TV Shows

NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?

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Jimbo

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Jimbo said:
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?

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Howard Simmons

Thursday at 1:19 PM

Jimbo said:
Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?

Tony as the director.

Jimbo

Thursday at 2:13 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.

Would you rather have LaRoche ???

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dfergie

Thursday at 4:37 PM

I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...

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Howard Simmons

Yesterday at 11:30 AM

Jimbo said:
Would you rather have LaRoche ???

No. Bring in someone new.

Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 12:50 PM

Howard Simmons said:
No. Bring in someone new. Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.

I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.

KAB

Today at 6:18 AM

I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.

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Jimbo

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KAB said:
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.

I'm curious how they are going to implement Tony into Origins (If they do) ...
Tony was introduced to Gibbs and the team, on NCIS, which makes it the Mothership side of things, he worked in Baltimore prior to NCIS, NO mention when they met that anyone had known one another ...

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Hmmm. Reason to get another toy for the KitchenAid.

Is it cheaper than store bought?

Is fresh or dried sage used?

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navychop

Jan 19, 2020

So do you use the plastic or metal sausage grinder? I'm assuming you use a mixer. I'm looking at attachments for my Kitchenaid.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 5:28 AM

navychop said:
So do you use the plastic or metal sausage grinder? I'm assuming you use a mixer. I'm looking at attachments for my Kitchenaid.

i have a cabelas carnivore 1 HP grinder worth the $$$ if you have it. i fried to many kitchenaids to count. ofcourse it was the el cheapo model

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made some chicken parm sausages and some bacon cheeseburger sausages and smoked whiskey bacon sausages

slow_poke_pete

Today at 5:35 AM

navychop said:
Hmmm. Reason to get another toy for the KitchenAid.

Is it cheaper than store bought?

Is fresh or dried sage used?

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Who cares if it's cheaper than store bought. you do realize that ground beef is like hot dogs right lips and a**holes!!! you have no idea whats in it and what animal came from what carcass right :what

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Anony55

Last reply Yesterday at 7:40 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Has Made it Impossible to be a VIP211k Owner

For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.

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Nebugeater

Dec 22, 2025

Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

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tparker

Sep 30, 2026

Nebugeater said:
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

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Nebugeater

Oct 2, 2026

tparker said:
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

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Anony55

Thursday at 6:18 PM

Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:31 AM

Nebugeater said:
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

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Anony55

Yesterday at 4:19 PM

dishstaller said:
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 5:37 PM

They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.

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Corrado

Yesterday at 7:40 PM

Although my VIP211K hasn't been subscribed or connected to a dish in probably 5 years since canceling service, my 1 TB HDD full of programming still works fine.

Upon occasion I power it up to watch something I recorded as far back as 2010. The last time I had it going in September it even let me rescan the local OTA channels which I think it refused at some earlier time. I will use it until the day it fails but this topic makes me think some software download is responsible for current subscribers.

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zippyfrog

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 7:37 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

NBA League Pass

Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?

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zippyfrog

Wednesday at 4:54 AM

I found my answer...when I log into the NBA app on my phone and try to watch, it gives me a more clear answer that it acknowledges I have paid for NBA League Pass from Dish and it is linked, but I need an "upgraded" subscription to League Pass for the preseason games. So I guess it is by design that Dish does not show the preseason games on League pass and that the contract Dish has signed for league pass is explicitly for the regular season games. (I know the description for League Pass says regular season games, but I thought that was only by satellite and the preseason would have worked)

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Darrell S

Yesterday at 7:37 PM

I plan on doing what I did last season. I ordered the more expensive arena feed version from the NBA website. It's worth it because you get to watch what's going on in the arena instead of just staring at the ad break slide on the Dish version. The main advantage to ordering from the website is you can go on a month by month basis and cancel if you get tired of it.

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Ramy

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Last reply Yesterday at 6:20 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Thursday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Thursday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Thursday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Thursday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Thursday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Thursday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

Yespage

Yesterday at 10:04 AM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.

AZ. said:
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.

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meStevo

Yesterday at 6:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one

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