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Last reply Jun 22, 2009 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

TIVO vs E*

Any updates on the Tivo case? Things have been very very quiet

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Mainer_Ayah

Jun 20, 2009

jacmyoung said:
We know the temp stay was issued on 6/3/09, it is not sure when that stay order was issued.

Mainers lesson for the day: Be more careful in knowing exactly what it is you are reading.

jacmyoung

Jun 20, 2009

Mainer_Ayah said:
Mainers lesson for the day: Be more careful in knowing exactly what it is you are reading.

I know what you want to say, those are proposed orders. Is it a procedural thing for the mover to propose such orders? Did TiVo have to propose anything?

Mainer_Ayah

Jun 20, 2009

jacmyoung said:
I know what you want to say, those are proposed orders. Is it a procedural thing for the mover to propose such orders? Did TiVo have to propose anything?

Ask your friends at Echostar, they are the ones that put it in their brief.

jacmyoung

Jun 21, 2009

Mainer_Ayah said:
Ask your friends at Echostar, they are the ones that put it in their brief.

And apparently we know at least the appeals court liked the fact E* had made their job easier and checked off on the first one

This is a legit quesiton, do the movers often propose the recise lauguage of the orders for the Court to check off? If you read E*'s 6/3 motion, E* never asked for a temp stay, rather a stay pending appeal, why then E* would propose two separate stays, one temporary, one stay the duration? And also formulating some very specific lauguage in those stay orders too for the appeals court to follow.

Just does not make any sense, but then I am no lawyer, a lot of things had happened so far that made no sense.

Mainer_Ayah

Jun 21, 2009

jacmyoung said:
And apparently we know at least the appeals court liked the fact E* had made their job easier and checked off on the first one

This is a legit quesiton, do the movers often propose the recise lauguage of the orders for the Court to check off? If you read E*'s 6/3 motion, E* never asked for a temp stay, rather a stay pending appeal, why then E* would propose two separate stays, one temporary, one stay the duration? And also formulating some very specific lauguage in those stay orders too for the appeals court to follow.

Just does not make any sense, but then I am no lawyer, a lot of things had happened so far that made no sense.

Just go to my site, and download a bunch of motions in this case. Let me know what you find in the last pages of the motions, before any appendices.

jacmyoung

Jun 21, 2009

Mainer_Ayah said:
Just go to my site, and download a bunch of motions in this case. Let me know what you find in the last pages of the motions, before any appendices.

I thought you liked to be more helpful, how about educating us all in layman's term how this works?

We learned you are running a business at your site, and regardless which side we are on, I believe we agree you provide a great service by posting all the filings on your site. Being helpful without putting others down goes a long way to help yourself sell more stuff there, I hope you agree.

An E* sub's money is just as good as a TiVo supporter's money, I would not try to piss off some of the potential customers.

Mainer_Ayah

Jun 21, 2009

jacmyoung said:
I thought you liked to be more helpful, how about educating us all in layman's term how this works?

We learned you are running a business at your site, and regardless which side we are on, I believe we agree you provide a great service by posting all the filings on your site. Being helpful without putting others down goes a long way to help yourself sell more stuff there, I hope you agree.

An E* sub's money is just as good as a TiVo supporter's money, I would not try to piss off some of the potential customers.

I seriously am not trying to avoid being helpful. I get my greatest joy in life by being helpful. But, I'm not an attorney, so it would be far beyond my abilities to explain how this all works. I honestly think, though, you should have a look at some of the documents yourself. There is nothing like seeing the process to be able to understand it. And... it is hardly a business, more of a hobby, just like the web page itself.

jacmyoung

Jun 21, 2009

Mainer_Ayah said:
I seriously am not trying to avoid being helpful. I get my greatest joy in life by being helpful. But, I'm not an attorney, so it would be far beyond my abilities to explain how this all works. I honestly think, though, you should have a look at some of the documents yourself. There is nothing like seeing the process to be able to understand it. And... it is hardly a business, more of a hobby, just like the web page itself.

Don't underestimate your abilities, you have done a great job so far explaining a few legal issues to us. Both Rocky and I thanked you for that.

Thank you again for clarifying too, when CuriousMark made a big deal of you being unfairly treated by me for not linking your site, only a direct link to one of your files, he made a point of how your business could be harmed for me doing so. He also made a big impression on a lot of people that you badly needed the money. Thank you for pointing out it was just a big misunderstanding.

I will read some more and return with my learning experience. But please don't be wary of my motivation. I am not wary of what people think of me or what their motivation, I have no control of what you think of me or what is your motivation, so I do not waste my time be wary of them.

Did I mention I do appreciate the help you provide?

Greg Bimson

Jun 22, 2009

jacmyoung said:
Does the new design have this "physical data source" that "analyzes audio and video data from the broadcast data?" If so please tell us what is this "physical data source" in this new design.

The same as it was in the old design: the testimony has been that the PID filter is part of the physical data source and that it fulfills the limitation of the parse element in the first step of the Software Claims.

Even DISH/SATS admits it:

Like the district court, TiVo not only ignores the invalidity implications of its new position on PID filtering [yet it is the same position as was during the trial], it applies a kind of reverse judicial estoppel, holding the testimony of EchoStar's experts - which was rejected by the jury - against Echostar. But what EchoStar's experts said in a losing effort cannot be used to establish the "adjudicated scope" of the claims.

In other words, they are trying to redefine their testimony. Again.

jacmyoung said:
Why is there such fear that the readers are so stupid they can easily be led astray, are they not capable of reading both sides?

Why not? A few people have suggested people are such idiots that they found DISH/SATS infringed.

jacmyoung said:
There was other false information, such as E* will pay a billion damages, E*'s appeal will likely be ruled frivolous, the appeals court did not reverse the hardware claim verdicts, the USPTO did not agree substantial new evidence questioning the validity of the software claims... Should we delete them too? Or should it be enough that the other side gets the chance to dispute such info?

The issues:

1) DISH/SATS could end up paying well over a billion dollars by the time this is all said and done. It is simple math:

a) $100 million for infringement up to 8 September 2006
b) $100 million for infringement up to 18 April 2008
c) contempt damages to TiVo at least in the neighborhood of $300 million for the past 14 months of contempt
d) that doesn't address the ViP receivers at all, which will have to be included at some point either in a settlement or more damages

2) DISH/SATS appeal could be ruled frivolous. Who knows?

3) The Court of Appeals did reverse the finding of literal infringement on the Hardware Claims.

4) The USPTO did agree to review the Software Claims. It is unknown if it is because there is substantial new evidence, as the USPTO did not issue a press release.

Let's not forget in December 2007 when Judge Folsom issued his order for evidentiary hearing that many assumed the violation of an injunction on its face was no longer an issue. While in a very minority, I did keep repeating that point: there was no ruling regarding prima facie contempt and that Judge Folsom could simply be making the decisions on all issues in front of him before issuing his ruling. Lo and behold, Judge Folsom found contempt TWICE. I don't want to mute a discussion, but would simply like to keep the facts straight.

jacmyoung

Jun 22, 2009

Greg Bimson said:
The same as it was in the old design: the testimony has been that the PID filter is part of the physical data source and that it fulfills the limitation of the parse element in the first step of the Software Claims.

But TiVo's testimonies had changed, TiVo now says what is not mentioned in the software claims is not relevant anymore. So my question is:

Did TiVo identify what are relevant? Did TiVo identify that "physical data source" that "analyzes video and audio data from the broadcast data?"

I don't think any poster has considered those who believe E* still infringes are idiots, that is a misleading statement, among many others in your above post, besides we are talking about the readers not the posters, do you think your above post should be deleted?

Greg Bimson

Jun 22, 2009

jacmyoung said:
But TiVo's testimonies had changed, TiVo now says what is not mentioned in the software claims is not relevant anymore.

Just because DISH/SATS wants to argue the Hardware Claims doesn't change the evidence that supported infringement on the Software Claims.

TiVo's testimony did not change. Just because DISH/SATS says it changed does not mean it actually did.

jacmyoung said:
Did TiVo identify what are relevant? Did TiVo identify that "physical data source" that "analyzes video and audio data from the broadcast data?"

Both TiVo and DISH/SATS did during the April 2006 trial. TiVo did once again during the February 2008 evidentiary hearing. DISH/SATS tried to change the testimony.

jacmyoung

Jun 22, 2009

Greg Bimson said:
Just because DISH/SATS wants to argue the Hardware Claims doesn't change the evidence that supported infringement on the Software Claims...

E* argues PID filter is not relevant to the software claims not only because it is not mentioned in the software claims, but it does not meet the "analyzes video and audio data from the broadcast data" limitation in the software claims. I don't know why you keep saying E* argued on hardware claims. Is the above limitation in the hardware claims?

TiVo's testimony did not change. Just because DISH/SATS says it changed does not mean it actually did.

During the jury trial discussing what PID filter did, TiVo's expert Storer testified that while "you might call [PID filtering] even a type of parsing," this was not the claimed "pars[ing],"

During the 2/09 hearing the judge said: "both parties have totally switched their position since trial."

Do you still believe TiVo did not change?

Both TiVo and DISH/SATS did during the April 2006 trial. TiVo did once again during the February 2008 evidentiary hearing. DISH/SATS tried to change the testimony.

During the trial E* said the PID filter met the term "parse" or "analyze." But that was not my question. The question is, did TiVo demonstrate E* still meet the limitation "analyze video and audio data from the broadcast data?" I am talking about this specific software claim limitation, not the other limitation called "parse."

CuriousMark

Jun 22, 2009

jacmyoung said:
Thank you again for clarifying too, when CuriousMark made a big deal of you being unfairly treated by me for not linking your site, only a direct link to one of your files, he made a point of how your business could be harmed for me doing so. He also made a big impression on a lot of people that you badly needed the money. Thank you for pointing out it was just a big misunderstanding.

Please don't put words in my mouth that I did not specifically say, that I said in private and were not for public posting, and for exaggerating one small part of what I told you way beyond my main point, which was about allowing Mainer's business (or hobby) to be seen and not bypassed.

And as a side note, a thanks for actually heeding the main point. But posting what you did just now, is way off topic.

rockymtnhigh

Jun 22, 2009

Guys, I have had it. Its one bit of teenage drama queen after another. I am closing this thread for the next several days. If ANY NEWS actually occurs, we'll create a new thread. I'll also start working on a locked stickied thread that provides news -- you sure as heck can not find any news here.

In a few days, this will reopen in the dish warzone, where the normal rules of behavior on SatelliteGuys will apply.

In the meantime, if you want to argue about the politics of the lawsuit or whatever else it is you want to do, please visit:

Tivo and E*. Talk about patent laws and the court system - SonicBabble - Where America Debates America!

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Scott Greczkowski

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If you eliminate Tapatalk you are doing the world a favor.

Can't come soon enough!

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Yesterday at 8:19 PM

I planned on removing it today, but then my fathers car broke down and I had to drive him all around to get his stuff done. Then I had a doctors appointment after that which was annoying...

Dr asks me if I have had any changes, so I tell him something wrong with me that started a month or so ago and his reply back is, that it sucks to get old... I hate that. Why ask me. if your going to come back with a smart ass answer.

Anyays I hope to get rid of Tapatalk tomorrow.

And we had more people donate today, thank you! The extra money is going to future expenses since things like add ons don't expire at the same time.

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Now I get it, lol. Was wondering why people were advocating getting rid of it if they never used it.

It used to be all I use, the mobile interface is so much better than it used to and I don't really post on many other forums like I used to as some have gone away or moved to Discord.

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Dr asks me if I have had any changes, so I tell him something wrong with me that started a month or so ago and his reply back is, that it sucks to get old

No excuse for a flippant response like that from a doctor! I'd be looking for a different one.

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Today at 9:10 AM

Tapatalk has been removed.

I have added a new feature which is a work in progress called "Social Feed" which displays the forums Facebook style. Its nice for people who like that, but needs work. But i have been watching this one for awhile and the author is being really responsive to suggestions and adding them. So if you have any please let me know and I can pass them along.

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dfergie

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Last reply Today at 9:09 AM · posted in The Sports Section

Auto Racing 2026

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Sunday at 8:20 PM

Awesome pictures, Yespage! Thanks!

I caught the end of the four hour race on YouTube so I wasn't "spoiled", but got to see the exciting last lap action in the TCR division!

Yespage

Sunday at 8:30 PM

Foxbat said:
Awesome pictures, Yespage! Thanks!

I caught the end of the four hour race on YouTube so I wasn't "spoiled", but got to see the exciting last lap action in the TCR division!

I heard on the radio, after the final pitstop, Turner Motorsport were resigned to second place. 'You're in second. Don't worry about it. First is McLaren, we aren't catching them.'

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Yespage

Yesterday at 7:48 AM

Caught up to the 500... err... k in St. Louis. What a race! Andretti Motorsport were doing very well with Ericsson and Kirkwood, meanwhile Power was moving up the grid. Veekay started cautiously. He was working the tires just right, becoming more lethal later in the stint. Rasmussen was racing likewise, not nearly as insane as he has in the past. Palou was leading the race, in a shocker to all. Caio Collet was having a wonderful ride, making Ferucci potentially sweat a bit. Rain came, rain went, rain came, rain went. Generally mild sprinkles, but enough to pause racing on an oval.

Palou would kind of send Siegel into the wall. Siegel really didn't do much wrong. As he noted, you have to turn at some point. Palou had acres of room below and Siegel might have had his ticket out of Indycar stamped. Dixon was doing the fuel thing and got busted twice by yellows, not pitting before the flag came out. Then the most critical happened... Palou ran out of gas on pit lane, effectively giving Newgarden the race lead and win. Newgarden had a very early pit, so he was able to slide in, get service and go. Meanwhile, everyone else was confused and stuck behind Palou for a bit. Once people figured what was happening, Newgarden had a major advantage of several seconds. Newgarden wouldn't look back and when it went green again, he'd hold the lead for the win.

Massive credit to Juncos Hollinger who bested Penske in getting Veekay out before Malukas in a transition that was oddly bizarre. I haven't had time to check, but I'm wondering if Veekay was about to run out of fuel or cut a tire. He was charging late in a stint, got up to fifth, and then tailed back for a few laps to 10th or 11th. It looked like it was over. Went into the pits, and after the pitting sequence was over, Veekay was well inside the top ten again. It was weird. And he charged, getting up to fourth. He made a late move on Rasmussen, but Rasmussen held his position with some great driving. In fact, there was a ton of incredible racing passing, not passing all race long. Veekay would finish 4th. A podium would have been awesome, but it is a great outcome for a guy who hopefully will get a break with a big team. We saw what Veekay could do with a Honda last season with fuel save, imagine replacing Simpson on Ganassi and having speed to go with fuel saving. His 6th at Indy and 4th at St. Louis get him up to 13th in the points standings and only 5 points outside of the top 10.

Ericsson finished second, resigned to finishing behind the current best in the world guy on a short oval. Rasmussen got the final step on the podium, a nice rebound to what has been an otherwise bad year for him, and a good reward to ECR who just extended his contract.

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They raced USAC cars at Daytona once. Once! People died. Aj Foyt said 'f this', and left after the first go around. AJ freaking Foyt thought it was crazy! And cars weren't nearly as fast as they are now.

I think they tried Talladega once too.

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Today at 7:20 AM

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lordodogg

Today at 7:46 AM

KyL416 said:
604 Pursuit HD is testing

Interesting. I remember that being HD-only for a bit a long time ago and then it was back to SD-only.

lordodogg

Today at 8:20 AM

lordodogg said:
Interesting. I remember that being HD-only for a bit a long time ago and then it was back to SD-only.

looking at the old maps, that was from March 2017 to June 2019.

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tsunami2311

Last reply Today at 8:19 AM · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

OTA signal issues

So I have recently setup Indoor OTA due to drop to Local from Dish, and found out reason why I have such bad signal is my Monitor now none of cable for my monitor near OTA or it cable going to TV, but the TV right above my Monitor maybe not even a foot.

If i have 3 to 2 bars with monitor off said channel for most part of perfectly watchable, but as soon my monitor is ON (show image of desktop or what ever) OTA going to TV halved that 3 to 2 bars become 1 and 2 if I lucky and channels start scrambling alot, and depending on what is being shown on monitor it might out right give no signal, and I can easily restore singal to being bad if change what show on monitor or bring back 3 to 2 bars if I turn monitor off or let it to to standby mode.

I have already disconnect every cable on TV except the OTA cable leaving just that so it not those cable. the Power cable for monitor and DP to DVI cable the monitor is using no where near that OTA cable either.

Any idea on how to fix this? moving my monitor isnt exactly an option neither is moving the tv and moving the OTA to other side room even with long cable dont fix this issue.

I have one those Leaf MoHu antennas 11x3 ones, I had same issue with one gateway mohu antennas the older one too

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comfortably_numb

Sunday at 12:42 PM

Do you have any splitters or combiners in between the antenna and TV? That can cause issues, especially indoors.

I would get that antenna into the attic or outside if at all possible.

And we need your Rabbitears reception report to really be able to provide answers specific to your location-

RabbitEars.Info

RabbitEars, where you can learn all about local, over-the-air TV channels.

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tsunami2311

Sunday at 12:48 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Do you have any splitters or combiners in between the antenna and TV? That can cause issues, especially indoors.

I would get that antenna into the attic or outside if at all possible.

And we need your Rabbitears reception report to really be able to provide answers specific to your location-

RabbitEars.Info

RabbitEars, where you can learn all about local, over-the-air TV channels.

www.rabbitears.info

no spilter is just for my tv

https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php?request=result&study_id=2732350

I get I just need to short out the monitor from kill the signal to the tv cause the monitor being on and show image basically castrates signal

I just moved wires around moved power cord away data cord and what not, and some made this issue worse just have my monitor on and show image was enough to just kill signal, I went and moved monitors data cable DP to DVI cable and it came back even if was still spotty at best, now I think it DP to DVI cable I using considering moving seem maninpulate how bad the signal that cable is still no where near OTA cable or any cables going to the tv, the tv and monitor are on the same surge protector though

Jimbo

Sunday at 6:28 PM

tsunami2311 said:
no spilter is just for my tv

https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php?request=result&study_id=2732350

I get I just need to short out the monitor from kill the signal to the tv cause the monitor being on and show image basically castrates signal

I just moved wires around moved power cord away data cord and what not, and some made this issue worse just have my monitor on and show image was enough to just kill signal, I went and moved monitors data cable DP to DVI cable and it came back even if was still spotty at best, now I think it DP to DVI cable I using considering moving seem maninpulate how bad the signal that cable is still no where near OTA cable or any cables going to the tv, the tv and monitor are on the same surge protector though

Are these items all Grounded ?
You haven't defeated them ...
Make sure the outlet is grounded as well, if it's nothten nothing else is.

tsunami2311

Sunday at 10:31 PM

Jimbo said:
Are these items all Grounded ?
You haven't defeated them ...
Make sure the outlet is grounded as well, if it's nothten nothing else is.

Far as i know they are all ground as surge protector is grounded this particular mode APC PV11V3 has wiring/fualt light that should go on if it not grounded and it not on protection light is green and on too . I not very knowledge about all that electrical grounding so i just go by what it tells me, my other surge protecter has grounded light on I could probably just plug to same outlet this one is to see if actual grounded

Monitor has 3 prog power cord the TV is 2 prog

Jim5506 said:
Sounds like there may be some RF coming from your monitor (presumed to be a computer monitor?) being picked up by the TV's proximity to the monitor.
Move the TV or the computer at least 5 ft away.
If it is cabling to monitor it would show up while the computer is on and whether the monitor is off or on.

Sadly moving the monitor (Asus VS248) is not really an option I would have move my entire room which I not about to do. Computer is under desk said monitor is on, but turn the computer off does stop signal from droping so long as monitor is on, as I test that by connecting my ps5 to that and it happened there too

I do know that Moving the DP to DVI cable under desk can and does effect the signal, depending on where that cable is I might have spotty signal or no signal out all with the monitor on. but soon as it is off signal is fine.

The DP to DVI cable is shielded and the coxial cable is a shielded RG6 cable

I will see about moving the monitor 5+ feet way just to see if proximity to tv is issue. but that wont really solve my issue cause moving desk and there for computer and monitor isnt really option

Foxbat said:
Maybe wrap the monitor in aluminum foil? Just as a test to see if it's radiating RFI that's overwhelming the OTA tuner. Obviously not a viable long-term fix.

worth try I see what happen when I get hand on some aluminum foil

Jimbo

Sunday at 11:27 PM

tsunami2311 said:
Far as i know they are all ground as surge protector is grounded this particular mode APC PV11V3 has wiring/fualt light that should go on if it not grounded and it not on protection light is green and on too . I not very knowledge about all that electrical grounding so i just go by what it tells me, my other surge protecter has grounded light on I could probably just plug to same outlet this one is to see if actual grounded

Monitor has 3 prog power cord the TV is 2 prog

Sadly moving the monitor (Asus VS248) is not really an option I would have move my entire room which I not about to do. Computer is under desk said monitor is on, but turn the computer off does stop signal from droping so long as monitor is on, as I test that by connecting my ps5 to that and it happened there too

I do know that Moving the DP to DVI cable under desk can and does effect the signal, depending on where that cable is I might have spotty signal or no signal out all with the monitor on. but soon as it is off signal is fine.

The DP to DVI cable is shielded and the coxial cable is a shielded RG6 cable

I will see about moving the monitor 5+ feet way just to see if proximity to tv is issue. but that wont really solve my issue cause moving desk and there for computer and monitor isnt really option

worth try I see what happen when I get hand on some aluminum foil

So, the TV is Not Grounded ...
I'm interested to see what happens when you move the TV away from the rest ...

tsunami2311

Monday at 11:23 AM

Jimbo said:
So, the TV is Not Grounded ...
I'm interested to see what happens when you move the TV away from the rest ...

TV is fix mounted to wall on metal brackets it can tilt and slide to side that is it it it 8 feet off ground and 55" tv it not getting moved . if it ground issues on TV how how can I fix that? I thought if surge protector is ground so are devices

It TCL 55S515 TV I have 2 of them in house both are 2 prog and most TCL tv I seen are 2 prog maybe there bigge sets are

Triride44 said:
Can you move the Antenna away from the monitor ?

Antenna is 8 feet away from tv I tried put 10 feet way didnt make difference

If I being honest after NHL Stanley Cup games I will probably stop caring and disconnect the OTA anyway cause I dont watch anything on anyway just my mom does and she attenna on here tv that really not much better it just dont have singal halve issue I have but it would be nice if I could fix,

probably the easy fix would be to get Tablo put antenna in attic like dad thinking of doing run coaxial to tablo and let feed tvs that way

Jimbo

Monday at 5:59 PM

tsunami2311 said:
TV is fix mounted to wall on metal brackets it can tilt and slide to side that is it it it 8 feet off ground and 55" tv it not getting moved . if it ground issues on TV how how can I fix that? I thought if surge protector is ground so are devices

It TCL 55S515 TV I have 2 of them in house both are 2 prog and most TCL tv I seen are 2 prog maybe there bigge sets are

Antenna is 8 feet away from tv I tried put 10 feet way didnt make difference

If I being honest after NHL Stanley Cup games I will probably stop caring and disconnect the OTA anyway cause I dont watch anything on anyway just my mom does and she attenna on here tv that really not much better it just dont have singal halve issue I have but it would be nice if I could fix,

probably the easy fix would be to get Tablo put antenna in attic like dad thinking of doing run coaxial to tablo and let feed tvs that way

Well, it's grounded up to the Surge Protector anyways ... but if not 3rd prong, it's not grounded ... I don't recall if my TV's have a ground, guess I never thought about it ...
Now ya got me curious, I got to check.

Well, thats interesting, I thought all TV's were grounded ... guess not, maybe they figure if the voltage gets that far, its not going to save the TV ...

navychop

Monday at 6:33 PM

Double insulated.

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tsunami2311

Yesterday at 11:54 AM

navychop said:
Double insulated.

yes my tv is double insulated. could that be part of my problem?

I dont even get why my monitor and or the DP to DVI cable is causing this the cable is shield for this stuff yet moving that cable obviously effect the ota signal and simple act of that monitor be on cuts single in half, monitor on but in standby mode is fine, as far as i know computer gpu? is still out puting signal to monitor even when the monitor is standby mode it just dont wake up till the mouse or some input moves

aluminum foil over my monitor did stop the issue or even help in the lest

MartyDe

Today at 8:19 AM

tsunami2311 said:
yes my tv is double insulated. could that be part of my problem?

I dont even get why my monitor and or the DP to DVI cable is causing this the cable is shield for this stuff yet moving that cable obviously effect the ota signal and simple act of that monitor be on cuts single in half, monitor on but in standby mode is fine, as far as i know computer gpu? is still out puting signal to monitor even when the monitor is standby mode it just dont wake up till the mouse or some input moves

aluminum foil over my monitor did stop the issue or even help in the lest

Something to try. Using an extension plug the TV into a completely different source of AC. Monitor may be feeding noise back into AC.

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EchoStar 25 @110W March 9/10 - 2026.

EchoStar has filed with FCC for license and launch of the EchoStar 25 satellite at the nominal 110W slot.

------"At the nominal 110° W.L. orbital location, EchoStar is licensed to operate over 29 of the available 32 DBS channels (specifically channels 1-27, 29,and 31).3 Currently, EchoStar provides service over these channels from the 110° W.L. cluster utilizing the EchoStar 10, EchoStar 11 (in inclined orbit), and EchoStar 23 satellites; and from the 119° W.L. cluster utilizing the EchoStar 14 and EchoStar 15 satellites. EchoStar anticipates that EchoStar 25 will be ready for launch as early as the first quarter of 2026. EchoStar anticipates that EchoStar 25, a spot-beam satellite, will take over delivery of certain programming services from EchoStar 10 and 14. After launch and in-orbit testing ("IOT"),4EchoStar 25 will proceed directly to 110.0° ± 0.05° W.L. Once EchoStar 25 is placed into operation, EchoStar 10 will initially remain at 110.2° W.L. serving as an in-orbit spare and may ultimately be relocated subject to all appropriate Commission authorizations. EchoStar 14 will remain at the nominal 119° W.L. orbital location and serve as an in-orbit spare once EchoStar 25 begins service." -----

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zippyfrog

Jun 3, 2026

I can tell the new satellite is active... When I go to the point dish menu, here in Chicago, 110 TP 27, which is a Spotbeam, for me with the old satellite was in the signal strength 50's-60's, is now just fluttering between 16-18.

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dishrich

Saturday at 4:21 PM

zippyfrog said:
When I go to the point dish menu, here in Chicago, 110 TP 27, which is a Spotbeam, for me with the old satellite was in the signal strength 50's-60's, is now just fluttering between 16-18.

Any chance you (or somebody else w/Chicago locals) could check & see where all the Chicago locals moved to, please...

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zippyfrog

Saturday at 5:16 PM

dishrich said:
Any chance you (or somebody else w/Chicago locals) could check & see where all the Chicago locals moved to, please...

That is a great question. I can't check at the moment but will check if no one else is in Chicago area can chime in on where they went.

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zippyfrog

Sunday at 7:26 AM

Actually, I can't seem to add the locals back to my account to check right now - when I go to add it and I submit the changes, it shows that I have added 1802 local channels (the whole country) and nothing happens. Something must be wrong with their website.

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RJT79

Yesterday at 10:25 PM

dishrich said:
Any chance you (or somebody else w/Chicago locals) could check & see where all the Chicago locals moved to, please...

I just happened to find out that I won White Sox tickets for tomorrow nights game June 10th. Yahoo! I just picked up my tickets around 8 P.M. local time and it is kind of late planning I know but I am leaving here in just a few and heading up to Peotone to stay the night tonight in a hotel and be there for tomorrow night as well. Its 9:21 P.M. Central Time now. I am hoping to beat the possible thunderstorms and fog early this morning up there and the weather there tomorrow as well. I oh so hope they play and no severe weather! Anyways, I just unhooked my Wally receiver and my DISH Playmaker and I am taking it with me. Peotone is in the Chicago Locals market and with me having a DISH Outdoors account I can change it when I get up there. I will have a check when I get there and I can post and let you know. I can put the antenna on top of the roof of the vehicle and run a 12 ft. coaxial cable running through the trunk into the vehicle. I have a DC to AC converter in the vehicle and can bring my Cloner Alliance ViewPRO to use as a the screen. I may even watch a little TV throughout the evening as well and maybe a little WGN as well. I miss WGN. I use to watch the Cubs, White Sox, and Bulls games on WGN and listen to the news and Tom Skilling a bunch. I hated it in December of 2014 when it became a standard cable network only. This will be only my 2nd time since they became a standard cable network and now defunct and rebranded as NewsNation that I actually get to see WGN again. The only other time was in 2016 up in Chicago as well and they were a standard cable network here then and not available locally. I now need to get going. I will let you know later.

RJ T.
From Illinois

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RJT79

Today at 3:07 AM

RJT79 said:
I just happened to find out that I won White Sox tickets for tomorrow nights game June 10th. Yahoo! I just picked up my tickets around 8 P.M. local time and it is kind of late planning I know but I am leaving here in just a few and heading up to Peotone to stay the night tonight in a hotel and be there for tomorrow night as well. Its 9:21 P.M. Central Time now. I am hoping to beat the possible thunderstorms and fog early this morning up there and the weather there tomorrow as well. I oh so hope they play and no severe weather! Anyways, I just unhooked my Wally receiver and my DISH Playmaker and I am taking it with me. Peotone is in the Chicago Locals market and with me having a DISH Outdoors account I can change it when I get up there. I will have a check when I get there and I can post and let you know. I can put the antenna on top of the roof of the vehicle and run a 12 ft. coaxial cable running through the trunk into the vehicle. I have a DC to AC converter in the vehicle and can bring my Cloner Alliance ViewPRO to use as a the screen. I may even watch a little TV throughout the evening as well and maybe a little WGN as well. I miss WGN. I use to watch the Cubs, White Sox, and Bulls games on WGN and listen to the news and Tom Skilling a bunch. I hated it in December of 2014 when it became a standard cable network only. This will be only my 2nd time since they became a standard cable network and now defunct and rebranded as NewsNation that I actually get to see WGN again. The only other time was in 2016 up in Chicago as well and they were a standard cable network here then and not available locally. I now need to get going. I will let you know later.

RJ T.
From Illinois

Update Wednesday June 10, 2026 @ 1:07 A.M. CDT.

Well I made it safely to Peotone, IL and got checked in. Sitting in the vehicle right now and everything is hooked up and ran and locals changed through the App.

I only have 2 words. "Very Interesting"

This is going to take awhile to post all of this and get all of this right so I am going to be looking up some info as I type.

Chicago has tons of channels! 18! To be exact all in HD.

So let's start.

002-00 WBBM (CBS) SAT: 110 SB: 12
Now playing: (Comics Unleashed With Byron Allen)

005-00 WMAQ (NBC) SAT: 110 SB: 12
Now playing: (NBC Nightly News With Tom Llamas)

007-00 WLS (ABC) SAT: 110 SB: 12
Now playing: (Live with Kelly and Mark)

009-00 WGN (CW) SAT: 110 SB: 12
Now playing: (The Goldbergs)

011-00 WTTW (PBS) SAT: 110 SB: 26
Now Playing: (Nature)

023-00 WWME (METV) SAT: 110 SB: 26
Now Playing: (Mannix)

026-00 WCIU (IND) SAT: 110 SB: 26
Shows The U - Now playing: (The Perfect Line)

Time change to 1:30 AM

032-00 WFLD (FOX) SAT: 110 SB: 12
Now Playing: (Sherri)

038-00 WCPX (ION) SAT: 110 SB: 26
Now Playing: (Chicago Fire)

044-00 WSNS (TELM) SAT: 110 SB: 26
Telemundo Channel speaking Spanish.
Now Playing: (Programa pagado)

048-00 WMEU (IND) SAT: 110 SB: 26
Now Playing: (Comedy Classics)

050-00 WPWR (IND) SAT: 110 SB: 26
Infomercial right now playing: (Ideal Prostrate+ Provides Safe)

056-00 WYIN (PBS). SAT: 110 SB: 26
Shows Lakeshore PBS - Now Playing: (Amanapour and Company)

059-00 WTVK (SHOP LC) SAT: 110 SB: 26
It is the Shop Liquidation Channel. All I get is a black background but was able to obtain satellite and spotbeam information - Shows playing in guide (which isn't) Spectacular Night Owl Jewelry Deals

060-00 WXFT (UNIMAS) SAT: 110 SB: 26
UNIMAS Channel speaking Spanish - Now Playing: (El Chavo)

061-00 WPVN (IND) SAT: 110 SB: 26
Shows WiN TV on the screen with Korean people and Korean Language - Now Playing: (WIN BNC)

062-00 WJXS (IND) SAT: 110 SB: 12
Shows wjys The Way - Now Playing; (Paid Proograming) but a church service is showing instead.

And finally…

And a time change to 2:00 AM

066-00 WGBO (UNIV) SAT: 110 SB: 26
Univision Channel speaking Spanish - Now Playing: (Programa pagado)

Now done!

Wow! About an hour's worth!

So it appears they changed as well to the 110 Satellite and using 2 Spotbeams 12 & 26.

Got to head up to my room and get some sleep. I will be here until late afternoon tomorrow before I head up to the game and will be back here after the game tommorow night and head back home Thursday morning.

Take care everyone and have a good night and a good Wednesday and Thursday. Probably won't be back on until Thursday.

RJ T.
From Illinois

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zippyfrog

Today at 8:05 AM

This is really interesting. Thanks for posting the Chicago locals - I still can't add them to my account for some reason.

But what I find even more interesting is that you are reporting that some of the Chicago locals are on 110, TP 12. However, right now some of the national sports channels for the out of market sports channels are on 110, TP 12 as well. MLB Network Alternate, for example, is currently on 110, TP 12. And to my knowledge, the same transponder cannot be both a national ConUS transponder as well as a local spotbeam. I wonder if having both satellites active at the same time is causing some coding issue or something like that - for my receiver, it is as if it is checking one satellite, times out, then checks the second satellite for the signal strength.

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