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Last reply Nov 21, 2008 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Terminates More Retailers

And like an edition of American Idol its time once again to post the list of Losers who have been kicked from the Dish Network retailer program...

So lets find out who the losers are this week shall we?

DISH NETWORK TERMINATES RETAILERS

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. – Nov. 18, 2008 – DISH Network Corporation (NASDAQ: DISH) announced today that its wholly owned subsidiary, DISH Network L.L.C., has terminated the following retailers, who the Company believes have engaged in illegal activity including fraud and misrepresentation when establishing customer accounts for DISH Network® service:

<LI style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3" class=MsoNormal>LIS Enterprise Inc. (dba Super Star Satellite) of West Covina, Calif. <LI style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3" class=MsoNormal>Omid Pars Inc. (dba Ash Tech Systems) of Austin, Texas <LI style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3" class=MsoNormal>KDS Sales Inc. (dba Apex Communications) of Fort Wayne, Ind. <LI style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3" class=MsoNormal>Thousand Island Network, Inc. of Diamond Bar, Calif. <LI style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3" class=MsoNormal>Metro Digital Advantage Co. of Dallas, Texas

Ovatax Quick Service of North Hills, Calif.

DISH Network L.L.C. does not tolerate illegal activity and will take action against any retailer that it believes has engaged in any form of fraud or misrepresentation in its dealings with DISH Network L.L.C.

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damjr

Nov 18, 2008

[ My guess retailer get the receivers from E* for free ,and sell them to the customers for s profit. Thats theft.[/QUOTE]

You couldn't be further from the truth here. Retailers have thousands of dollars invested in every customer from hardware, installation, sale commissions, and marketing. They are also liable for this investment. So every time a customer disconnects his service while under contract the retailer takes a huge hit which comes right out of his commission payment. It will take at least 2-3 new sales to recoup this loss.

But who cares right. As long as I get my new promo.

Get your facts correct before you start spewing BS like this. You have NO idea what these retailers have to go through to provide you with service.

I'm sorry but I'm starting to get a little pissed here. It's this new generation of GIMME GIMME GIMME that's bringing all of us down and until you walk a mile in a Dish retailers shoes I suggest you just sit back, enjoy your programming and just say thank you.

Hemi 6.1

Nov 18, 2008

damjr said:
[ My guess retailer get the receivers from E* for free ,and sell them to the customers for s profit. Thats theft.

You couldn't be further from the truth here. Retailers have thousands of dollars invested in every customer from hardware, installation, sale commissions, and marketing. They are also liable for this investment. So every time a customer disconnects his service while under contract the retailer takes a huge hit which comes right out of his commission payment. It will take at least 2-3 new sales to recoup this loss.

But who cares right. As long as I get my new promo.

Get your facts correct before you start spewing BS like this. You have NO idea what these retailers have to go through to provide you with service.

I'm sorry but I'm starting to get a little pissed here. It's this new generation of GIMME GIMME GIMME that's bringing all of us down and until you walk a mile in a Dish retailers shoes I suggest you just sit back, enjoy your programming and just say thank you.

So thats your defence while your in the court room. The Customer made me do it. And my facts are Correct, Retailers are being charged with Receiving equipment from E* under false names and accounts, as well as smart cards..

damjr

Nov 18, 2008

Hemi 6.1 said:
So thats your defence while your in the court room. The Customer made me do it. And my facts are Correct, Retailers are being charged with Receiving equipment from E* under false names and accounts, as well as smart cards..

First, forget about smart cards. Retailers can't sell smart cards unless it's for the prepaid system. Smart cards are handled by Dish directly.

Second, I see you have over 5000 posts on here so I'm guessing you read most of the posts. Tell me how many times you have read about a customer whining about not getting what they think they deserve and threaten to cancel service and switch to a competitor.
This has been a problem that has plagued the industry now for the past 4-5 years.
Granted it was created by the industry by allowing it to happen, but the industry is now taking a hard look at all these promo hoppers and are trying to put an end to it. Dish does have a system in place that catches these people and it categorizes them as "Formers" or if Dish sees that the customer has left and come back more than once, they will just reject the customer. Here is where most customers get crafty and work the system because they may not like being rejected or they don't like the promotion offered to "Formers".

What customers do not understand is the massive costs involved to acquire each and every one of you. It takes almost 2 years to break even on every customer. So when ever you want a free upgrade before the 2 year mark, you have now extended that break even point out even further. Here is where the GIMME GIMME GIMME attitude comes in if the customer doesn't get what they want under that 2 year mark. They will threaten to leave or just cancel and try to resign under a new name.

This happens a lot more than any of you can imagine and it's killing the industry.

Hemi 6.1

Nov 18, 2008

damjr said:
First, forget about smart cards. Retailers can't sell smart cards unless it's for the prepaid system. Smart cards are handled by Dish directly.

Second, I see you have over 5000 posts on here so I'm guessing you read most of the posts. Tell me how many times you have read about a customer whining about not getting what they think they deserve and threaten to cancel service and switch to a competitor.
This has been a problem that has plagued the industry now for the past 4-5 "
.

I understand the customer always want free stuff. But them really getting it is a whole other story. I see yes alot of posts ,But how is what they are requesting effecting the retailers?
All your claiming is peer pressure. Thats not the defence I would take to court. and what your failing to see is that the retailers getting busted aren't getting busted for giving customers free equipment. They are getting busted for saying they are giving phony customers equipment when there is no such customers. So what are they doing with this equipment that these retailers are getting from dish ,under false accounts that the RETAILERS made up? This is not because a retailer is trying to give a customer free equipment. THERE IS NO CUSTOMER.

damjr

Nov 18, 2008

Hemi 6.1 said:
I understand the customer always want free stuff. But them really getting it is a whole other story. I see yes alot of posts ,But how is what they are requesting effecting the retailers?
All your claiming is peer pressure. Thats not the defence I would take to court. and what your failing to see is that the retailers getting busted aren't getting busted for giving customers free equipment. They are getting busted for saying they are giving phony customers equipment when there is no such customers. So what are they doing with this equipment that these retailers are getting from dish ,under false accounts that the RETAILERS made up? This is not because a retailer is trying to give a customer free equipment. THERE IS NO CUSTOMER.

I'm sorry for not clarifying my position on this topic.
First off, it's not just non existing customers that Dish is busting retailers for. A majority of these "false" accounts are active customers that Dish calls "flipped".
A flipped account is a customer who had service, cancels service, and opens a new account under his wife, relative, etc..... This is the main reason for destroying many lives that Dish has come up with. This is also why I have been focusing my argument this direction.

More than 80% of these fraud accounts that Dish is terminating and charging back retailers for are flipped accounts. There are many of the cases where the retailer has no idea that it will be a flipped account because the customer has all ready spun their wheels with other retailers trying to get what they want, and after they figure out what they need to do, they find their victim.

I have seen the files from Dish on these retailers and this is how I know what is going on here.

Again, there are a few retailers that were out right stealing from Dish, but there are also some innocent victims here as well. So please do not group all these retailers together.

Claude Greiner

Nov 18, 2008

damjr said:
I'm sorry for not clarifying my position on this topic.
First off, it's not just non existing customers that Dish is busting retailers for. A majority of these "false" accounts are active customers that Dish calls "flipped".
A flipped account is a customer who had service, cancels service, and opens a new account under his wife, relative, etc..... This is the main reason for destroying many lives that Dish has come up with. This is also why I have been focusing my argument this direction.

More than 80% of these fraud accounts that Dish is terminating and charging back retailers for are flipped accounts. There are many of the cases where the retailer has no idea that it will be a flipped account because the customer has all ready spun their wheels with other retailers trying to get what they want, and after they figure out what they need to do, they find their victim.

I have seen the files from Dish on these retailers and this is how I know what is going on here.

Again, there are a few retailers that were out right stealing from Dish, but there are also some innocent victims here as well. So please do not group all these retailers together.

I disagree! Yes, it may be the customers who ask if they can get a new promotion, but its the retailer who makes the desicion to flip the account and do the installation.

You need to actually work the system everyday to know what im taking about, an existing customer trying to establish new service is going to set off so many warning messages in the system, its almost impossible to sign them up without knowing they are a flipped account.

Even if the customer still did "Make" it through the system and everything looked like a new customer, there is still going to be evidence of a previous installation when the installer shows up at the customers house. Its like I always tell my installers, if you see a DISH Network Dish on the house, call the office....

Now granted there is some that are going to fall through the cracks, especially customers who had an old account from years ago. If a customer has an account now, there is no way you can build a new account without doing some major address manipulation!

Hemi 6.1

Nov 20, 2008

I agree with Hall for the most part,
About the "moving" part though most times they do it here on satellite guys to receive HD locals. while in the process they still lose their own In market locals in the process. To me this has nothing to do with retailers. This is a game customers play with E*. And again E* could take complete control of this if they cared and wanted to. Plus by "moving" the customer isn't getting any free be's out of the deal.
Now if your Changing your address to get free quipment, Well I'm not sure that possible for a customer to do without the help from a retailer.
Dishnetwork also has a real moving program too that quailifys customers for promotion, But again E* is reinstalling your equipment,So its not to easy to Lie about where you live.
But don't get me wrong "Hall"
I agree with you on not discussing using spouses name and false address loopholes,to fraud E* to get new customer promotion. Spouses though not all family members that don't even live in the same house.
Not directed at Hall.
Not getting new customer benifits because my mother-in-law has E* sorry but thats completely legal and thats not whats getting retailers fired as discussed in another retailer thread.

Hall

Nov 20, 2008

Hemi 6.1 said:
About the "moving" part though most times they do it here on satellite guys to receive HD locals ... This is a game customers play with E*. And again E* could take complete control of this if they cared and wanted to. Plus by "moving" the customer isn't getting any free be's out of the deal.

This thread was as good a place as any to bring it up, but yes, this is a customer-to-Dish "game". In the end though, it's wrong and, IMO, discussions shouldn't be allowed. If Dish starts cracking down on it, good for them. I've always said that Dish should ask for proof of a customer's "new address" that they just moved to.

Could Dish get in trouble with the local TV stations and/or the national networks over this ? Dish could argue "we took the customer's word for this", of course and unless there's rules or agreements saying proof is req'd, Dish did nothing "wrong".

Hemi 6.1

Nov 20, 2008

hall said:
This thread was as good a place as any to bring it up, but yes, this is a customer-to-Dish "game". In the end though, it's wrong and, IMO, discussions shouldn't be allowed. If Dish starts cracking down on it, good for them. I've always said that Dish should ask for proof of a customer's "new address" that they just moved to.

Could Dish get in trouble with the local TV stations and/or the national networks over this ? Dish could argue "we took the customer's word for this", of course and unless there's rules or agreements saying proof is req'd, Dish did nothing "wrong".

I agree. If E* doesn't ask for proof, well what can they really expect? Everyone to be honest. Yea right . I've done the moving thing, Quite frankly I'd rather have my own locals. It suck right now for football season, But I'd rather watch my local news then a town 150 miles away. Clearly "moving" isn't legal.! If it was you could just ask E* to get another citys local channels. Not Lie about your address. I had it a little easier then most I bet. Because my address is Pike county and Wayne County. Two different DMA's. Plus I have muiltiple accounts for my rental propertys, 3 different E* accounts, In 3 different countys. 3 different service adresses with all one billing address. and 3 Different DMA's

damjr

Nov 20, 2008

Claude Greiner said:
I disagree! Yes, it may be the customers who ask if they can get a new promotion, but its the retailer who makes the desicion to flip the account and do the installation.

You need to actually work the system everyday to know what im taking about, an existing customer trying to establish new service is going to set off so many warning messages in the system, its almost impossible to sign them up without knowing they are a flipped account.

Even if the customer still did "Make" it through the system and everything looked like a new customer, there is still going to be evidence of a previous installation when the installer shows up at the customers house. Its like I always tell my installers, if you see a DISH Network Dish on the house, call the office....

Now granted there is some that are going to fall through the cracks, especially customers who had an old account from years ago. If a customer has an account now, there is no way you can build a new account without doing some major address manipulation!

True statement for the most part. All I'm trying to say is for the retailers that were flat out stealing from Dish they should be terminated. But what about the telcos, as stated below, or Dish themselves. There are a few national sales companies (OE) that are getting hit hard right now and Dish does their installs.

It's ok for them to do it? It's OK for a retailer to lose his customer that he paid to aquire?

My opinion on this is Dish should of fixed their system first, so that this couldn't happen, terminate the retailers that were clearly comiting fraud, and slap the hand with a warning on the others that Dish is charging back today to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

lownote2 said:
Wow... this original topic has gone all sorts of directions. I'd have to agree with Claude.... it's pretty difficult to "accidentally" flip an account. So the retailers that have been terminated must be pretty serious offenders. Customers do put a lot of pressure on the retailers because everybody wants free..free..free. But giving into that pressure by circumventing the rules puts the retailer at fault. So far I haven't seen the big money makers for E* getting any heat though. Of course I'm talking about the phone companies (no names mentioned) that offer to bundle your phone/internet/dish all one one bill and save you money. Trying to move an existing account so you can bundle and save money is pretty difficult and I've seen a lot of "flipping" there where the husband cancels and the wife signs up.. but unless things have changed making it easier to bundle I haven't seen that one addressed yet.
Point is though... as Claude said... it's hard to not know you're breaking the rules with the current system so those that have been terminated can't blame the customers.

Slamminc11

Nov 20, 2008

damjr said:
...that Dish is charging back today to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I'm guessing it is probably more in the millions that thousands at this point.

reallyniceguy

Nov 21, 2008

Glad to see some of the retailer I had complaints get fired.
bwaha

to bad Im not in that company anymore to be able to point and laugh :/ (jumped boat)

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osu1991

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply 4 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

USA Healthcare Costs are Ridiculous

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.

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vazhog

Friday at 4:05 PM

that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

harshness

Yesterday at 2:37 AM

vazhog said:
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

That's not who it is for. The cut is for those who won't work (though you typically had to prove that you couldn't work to get it in the first place).

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 12:33 PM

Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."

osu1991

Yesterday at 2:41 PM

Foxbat said:
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."

I didn't start it as a political statement and have no interest in the political BS of this country. Everyone wants to make everything political nowadays. This was just my rant over the outrageous increase in my premiums and how unaffordable healthcare is becoming to the average person here.

admin can close or delete it if they don't want here.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 8:23 PM

osu1991 said:
Everyone wants to make everything political nowadays.

Yes.....they do. Which is why I am very careful when at a customer's house these days....you NEVER know what is going to set someone off. Polite dialog is a thing of the past.....which is why I like my dog so much

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dishdude

Yesterday at 8:26 PM

harshness said:
That's not who it is for. The cut is for those who won't work (though you typically had to prove that you couldn't work to get it in the first place).

Which makes zero sense. If they are healthy and able to work but won't, they aren't using any health resources up.

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navychop

Yesterday at 9:07 PM

Until a runaway pickle truck hits them.

dishdude

Yesterday at 9:16 PM

navychop said:
Until a runaway pickle truck hits them.

I'm sure Vlasic has good insurance!

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osu1991

4 minutes ago

Such a scam. Healthcare.gov shows me cheaper individual plans available for 2027 from ambetter that ambetter doesn't show on their website. Looked it up. I've spent $68,000 in premiums the last 5 years and got nothing out of it except a few doctors visits and labs.

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply 5 minutes ago · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Monday at 3:04 PM

You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

Jimbo

Monday at 9:19 PM

Yespage said:
You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

No, I was actually referring to outside of the Top 8, but should have been Top 12 ...

I guess I should have looked at the bracket from last year first ...

I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

Ronnie-

Tuesday at 7:24 AM

Jimbo said:
I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.

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Jimbo

Tuesday at 8:20 AM

Ronnie- said:
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.

Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time ....however .
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

They are trying to make this Basketball and its a far cry from the way that is played.

How long till they go to 32 teams ? Then they will say, well, the NFL is 32 teams, we can make more money that way .... except the NFL is 32 teams, that are a set number of teams and divisions, you don't have that in College ... oh but they will try.

They would have to choose what teams they would want in and thats it.
Hopefully that NEVER happens.

I can see the NCAA going away and the CFP taking that portion over and a Collective Bargaining agreement coming in the not to distant future.

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Ronnie-

Wednesday at 7:26 PM

Jimbo said:
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time

Yes. As shown in a few posts now.

Jimbo said:
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

.

But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.

I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.

With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.

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Jimbo

Wednesday at 11:10 PM

Ronnie- said:
Yes. As shown in a few posts now.

But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.

I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.

With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.

No, no ... if you want to make the playoffs, you want to Win it ... If you want to Win it, you need to Win 4-5 games in a row against Top 10 teams for the most part, theres a Possibility you'd play someone out side of the Top 10, but not much.

The Playoffs is a 4-5 game Win or Go Home.

osu1991

Friday at 3:01 PM

View: https://youtu.be/uRgnlk9Sj8M?is=z_Y_NZD5B4bCEwod

osu1991

Yesterday at 11:05 PM

..I hate playing in Ames.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:33 PM

osu1991 said:
..I hate playing in Ames.

I hate playing in LA ... :oldmad

Buckeyes had 2 weeks off and came out and looked absolutely terrible ... broke in a new Freshman Qb, but that wasn't the worst part ... undiscipline play, at last count they had 10 penalties.
Freshman in the end of the game trying to play catch up, had a lot of Over throws ... Bucks lose ...

#1 Miami struggled but pulled away in the end beating North Carolina by 3 ...

Tuesday the CFP brings out thier Playoff Top 12 again ... Buckeyes should drop from #2 to about #22 (they won't) had they had thier Starting QB, it would have been a different game ...

They could lose the rest of thier games at this point.

Foxbat

5 minutes ago

osu1991 said:
..I hate playing in Ames.

My in-Laws came from Iowa, she was a graduate of ISU. Unranked Iowa teams beat the #24 and #25 teams on Halloween.

And I heard that your QB made a poor choice after scoring the tying touchdown, leading to a fifteen yard penalty on the ensuing kickoff. The Cyclones were then able to take advantage of the resulting field position to get close enough to score the winning field goal.

In a NCAA Football season of bizarre endings, this has to rank right up there.

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ewindowman

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Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th

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ewindowman

Jun 30, 2026

Correct me if I'm wrong but Dish borrowed lots of money to start a wireless company that was most likely doomed from the beginning. They bought spectrum at any cost to acquire enough bandwidth to achieve their goal. They signed leases and bought equipment and borrowed more money. They held onto the spectrum as long as possible. They then sold most of it to different companies and made a lot of money. Then they started to screw the companies that were installing and leasing the equipment and cell towers. Now they are going to claim bankruptcy under the Dish Network part of Echo Star while they have billions of dollars. So Dish basically took everyone's money that was involved in the financial part of this transaction made a huge profit is screwing everyone over from the banks to the little guy working on the towers and infrastructure.

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nelson61

Yesterday at 1:01 PM

"
They note that the Dish Wireless radios at issue support the 2GHz and 800MHz spectrum SpaceX is acquiring from EchoStar and Grain.

"Buying compatible equipment already installed on towers could give SpaceX a head start on its wireless terrestrial network build and throw a big bucket of cold water on Verizon's four-to-six-year timeline and $300-$500 billion estimate for SpaceX's buildout," said the analysts."

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:40 PM

ewindowman said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but Dish borrowed lots of money to start a wireless company that was most likely doomed from the beginning. They bought spectrum at any cost to acquire enough bandwidth to achieve their goal. They signed leases and bought equipment and borrowed more money. They held onto the spectrum as long as possible. They then sold most of it to different companies and made a lot of money. Then they started to screw the companies that were installing and leasing the equipment and cell towers. Now they are going to claim bankruptcy under the Dish Network part of Echo Star while they have billions of dollars. So Dish basically took everyone's money that was involved in the financial part of this transaction made a huge profit is screwing everyone over from the banks to the little guy working on the towers and infrastructure.

i heard charlie went to dubai begging for money. but he didn't get none... that should have raised red flags.

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reubenray

Today at 5:36 AM

nelson61 said:
"
They note that the Dish Wireless radios at issue support the 2GHz and 800MHz spectrum SpaceX is acquiring from EchoStar and Grain.

"Buying compatible equipment already installed on towers could give SpaceX a head start on its wireless terrestrial network build and throw a big bucket of cold water on Verizon's four-to-six-year timeline and $300-$500 billion estimate for SpaceX's buildout," said the analysts."

Back when Dish was installing antennas everywhere for their internet service I mapped several of the tower locations around me. One is less than a mile away from me and several more about three miles away in several different directions. If SpaceX does something with these I may be in a prime spot.

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 6:00 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

$6.3 billion in crypto stolen by hackers

This should hit a lot of folks with a dose of reality. I can only imagine how much more common this will get as AI progresses.

I read several stories on this and most are clear as mud. They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole. I guess time will tell if either of these statements are actually true.

Hackers steal $6.3 billion from Binance in biggest-ever cryptocurrency theft

The company later added it began recovering assets impacted by the breach after pledging to cover losses using its Secure Asset Fund for Users.

www.cnbc.com

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Juan

Yesterday at 10:39 PM

Where would you spend 6.3 billion in crypto without anyone noticing?..In today's digital world most countries are watching purchases over 10k

dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:55 PM

Juan said:
Where would you spend 6.3 billion in crypto without anyone noticing?

They say it was North Korea so they'll probably just use it to buy things they need....oil, food, etc from nations and entities who don't care where the money comes from and since it is BTC...it can be spent anywhere with no blowback.

meStevo

Today at 2:40 AM

dishstaller said:
They say it was North Korea so they'll probably just use it to buy things they need....oil, food, etc from nations and entities who don't care where the money comes from and since it is BTC...it can be spent anywhere with no blowback.

North Korea can't pay for oil with BTC. The money has to be laundered and cashed out first. Analytics firms can trace it on the public blockchain, and exchanges (including Binance) have frozen money traced back to prior hacks when it showed up. Much of it may still gets through eventually. It's just slow and lossy, not "spend anywhere."

Juan said:
Someone using AI would be able to see the purchase...plus if you were to buy a couple billion barrels of oil or any other commodity..someone would notice..or if you bought your own country

It can be traced, the rest of this is pretty much your usual nonsense though.

telstar_1 said:
How does it have such billions simply "on hand" to replace stolen billions?

Binance has had an insurance fund since 2018, funded by 10% of trading fees. It's around $1.2B, and Binance says it'll cover the rest from company money. As the world's largest exchange, it makes a lot in fees. On top of that, the ~$3B in frozen stablecoins can be reissued by Tether/Circle, so the actual hole is smaller than the headline.

harshness said:
You "print" it, of course. That's part of the magic of cryptocurrency.

Nobody can print bitcoin, Binance included. Supply is fixed by the protocol. The only thing in this story that can be frozen and reissued is stablecoins, because they have a company behind them.

reubenray

Today at 5:32 AM

dishstaller said:
They say it was North Korea so they'll probably just use it to buy things they need....oil, food, etc from nations and entities who don't care where the money comes from and since it is BTC...it can be spent anywhere with no blowback.

HA! That short/fat Dictator will buy more arms. He does not care about the people.

dishstaller

Today at 10:46 AM

meStevo said:
North Korea can't pay for oil with BTC. The money has to be laundered and cashed out first. Analytics firms can trace it on the public blockchain, and exchanges (including Binance) have frozen money traced back to prior hacks when it showed up. Much of it may still gets through eventually. It's just slow and lossy, not "spend anywhere."

Yeah, I read the same thing in multiple articles. However, when some type of hack takes place and a company's computer system is hit with ransomware, the culprits always demand BTC and those stories always say they want BTC because it is untraceable so the hackers are therefore never caught. It is contradictory crap like this that causes people not to believe any "official" statements when something like this takes place.

meStevo

Today at 12:40 PM

dishstaller said:
Yeah, I read the same thing in multiple articles. However, when some type of hack takes place and a company's computer system is hit with ransomware, the culprits always demand BTC and those stories always say they want BTC because it is untraceable so the hackers are therefore never caught. It is contradictory crap like this that causes people not to believe any "official" statements when something like this takes place.

Bitcoin is pseudonymous, not anonymous; every transaction is public forever. Ransomware gangs ask for BTC mostly because it's easy for a victim to buy and can't be reversed, not because it can't be followed. The privacy-focused ones demand Monero instead.

The reason hackers often aren't caught is where they are, not the coin. If the wallet traces back to a group in Russia or North Korea, everyone can see the money and still can't arrest anyone. Traceable and catchable are two different things, and the media mashes them together.

dishstaller

Today at 5:35 PM

meStevo said:
The reason hackers often aren't caught is where they are, not the coin. If the wallet traces back to a group in Russia or North Korea, everyone can see the money and still can't arrest anyone. Traceable and catchable are two different things, and the media mashes them together.

Then doesn't that mean that NK can spend the BTC as it wants to or is there a way to flag the BTC, kinda like blacklisting an IMEI when it comes to cell phones.

meStevo

Today at 6:00 PM

Operations returning to normal today as withdrawals are opening back up for Binance users.

dishstaller said:
Then doesn't that mean that NK can spend the BTC as it wants to or is there a way to flag the BTC, kinda like blacklisting an IMEI when it comes to cell phones.

Pretty good analogy actually. Bitcoin itself can't blacklist a coin since nobody runs the network. But the exchanges and cash-out points can, and do. Treasury publishes sanctioned wallet addresses (North Korea's included), and exchanges run every deposit through tracing tools. Coins traced back to a flagged wallet get refused or frozen.

So it's like a blacklisted phone: it still powers on, but no carrier will activate it. And just like those phones, the coins get shipped off to someone who doesn't check, in this case shady brokers who'll swap it for cash at a steep discount. NK can't walk up and buy oil with BTC, but after enough laundering, most of it does eventually turn into usable money.

Extending the analogy, if Bitcoin is an IMEI blacklist then stablecoins are like Apple's Activation Lock. The issuer controls it at the source, so once it's locked it's a brick everywhere. That's why the stablecoins in this hack got frozen within hours and the bitcoin didn't.

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zippyfrog

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Last reply Today at 5:30 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

110/119 Listings Post 129 Transition (Updated 11/01/2026)

Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!

A couple of pieces of info:

Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
- 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
- 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
- 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
- 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
- 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
- 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.

There are two transponders that have lower than normal SD channels – 110, TP 21 and 119, TP 19. Previously those transponders contained the programming guides that get downloaded from the satellite when the receivers download EPG. I assume that is where the programming guides are still downloaded from, thus less channels there.

When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.

Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:

During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
- At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
- At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.

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zippyfrog

Sep 25, 2026

Updated the listings on the first couple of posts - been very few changes over these past couple of months so not as much to update!

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zippyfrog

Sep 30, 2026

Today Dish brought back it's traditional Halloween Dish Scape on 303. It is on 119, TP 20. Clearly this is just a temporary channel and will be removed in November, so I am not including it on the channel list right now.

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zippyfrog

Today at 4:47 PM

With the extra hour I had this morning, I updated the listings. Another month has passed, and nothing has moved off 110 to 119 for the national channels. I really thought those handful of transponders on 119 would have been populated with the national channels from 110, but no change.

Can someone who has a Hopper tell me if the 4k channels are still on 110 and if so, what transponder?

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Bobby

Today at 5:07 PM

zippyfrog said:
With the extra hour I had this morning, I updated the listings. Another month has passed, and nothing has moved off 110 to 119 for the national channels. I really thought those handful of transponders on 119 would have been populated with the national channels from 110, but no change.

Can someone who has a Hopper tell me if the 4k channels are still on 110 and if so, what transponder?

They appear to be on 110, transponder 8.

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zippyfrog

Today at 5:30 PM

Bobby said:
They appear to be on 110, transponder 8.

Thanks! I do have my listing correct then.

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This Week in Tech 1108

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Proton’s AI Manifesto

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mheisen

Last reply Today at 5:20 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Hopper 3 with Hopper plus internet connection problems

Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

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Almighty1

Thursday at 2:50 PM

mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?

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mheisen

Thursday at 6:11 PM

Almighty1 said:
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?

I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.

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Almighty1

Thursday at 6:33 PM

mheisen said:
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.

Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.

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slow_poke_pete

Friday at 3:38 AM

Almighty1 said:
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.

Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713

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slow_poke_pete

Friday at 3:43 AM

mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!

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Almighty1

Friday at 3:30 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713

I have a Hopper Plus and no issues either. charlesrshell has both a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and one without, he doesn't have the same issue. Before blaming it on the Hopper Plus, he should see if the problem still exists without the Hopper Plus connected as it could be the Internet connection itself or some setting in the router itself. There is someone in another thread who has EHD issues on the Hopper 3 only setup but does not have the EHD issues on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and he has already tried swapping the EHD and it did not make a difference so like the saying, YMMV.

https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/th...cognize-ehd-is-connected-after-reboot.423971/

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Almighty1

Friday at 3:34 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!

The Roku costs $$$, Hopper Plus is free. That may not be the only costs as it depends if the TV in question still has available HDMI ports and if not, it will require a HDMI switch and HDMI cable which adds more to the cost.

I have a LG 3D OLED Smart TV and I still need either of them because it does not have Android TV built in. Add a Hopper Plus and see if you actually have issues or not as until you actually tried it, it means nothing.

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jsmit86

Today at 9:05 AM

If the OP has a router and a managed switch, that could be the problem.
I have a Hopper 3 and 5 Joey 4s. I recently updated my Router, Switch and access points with Ubiquiti UniFi gear. I had an issue where the switch interpreted the communication between the hopper internet connection and one of the Joeys as a data loop. I had to change some settings in the switch to re-enable that port. Your router could possibly be doing the same thing blocking the connection.

If your router has a malware connection setting, try disabling it temporarily, and see if the internet comes back. Contact your ISP and see if there is a block happening at the router or switch level, or via the ISP's threat protection.

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Almighty1

Today at 5:20 PM

jsmit86 said:
If the OP has a router and a managed switch, that could be the problem.
I have a Hopper 3 and 5 Joey 4s. I recently updated my Router, Switch and access points with Ubiquiti UniFi gear. I had an issue where the switch interpreted the communication between the hopper internet connection and one of the Joeys as a data loop. I had to change some settings in the switch to re-enable that port. Your router could possibly be doing the same thing blocking the connection.

If your router has a malware connection setting, try disabling it temporarily, and see if the internet comes back. Contact your ISP and see if there is a block happening at the router or switch level, or via the ISP's threat protection.

Can you share what settings you had to change?

Required Inbound & Outbound Network Ports
The standard ports designated for DISH Hopper configurations include:

- TCP Port 80 – HTTP communication
- TCP Port 443 – HTTPS secure communication
- TCP Port 5678 – Neighbor Discovery / Device Sync
- UDP Port 80 – Alternative streaming/network data
- UDP Port 443 – Alternative secure media streams
- UDP Port 5678 – Remote pairing and network discovery

Critical Network & Security Considerations

- UPnP (Universal Plug and Play): Enabling UPnP on your router is the easiest way to allow the Hopper to automatically handle its own port maps.
Internal Communication (MoCA & Local LAN): The Hopper Plus and Joeys communicate internally over your local home network using router's default internal traffic policies. Local firewall software or strict internal VLAN isolation can block the Hopper 3 from seeing the Hopper Plus or Joey extensions.

The other thing is that these are streaming channels which was why I asked if they have worked correctly even without the Hopper Plus as checking the post history of the OP, it appears that the Hopper Plus was added around 1/2 a year ago and from looking at my own Internet settings portion, all the Hopper 3 does is really measure signal strenth for WiFi and probably just check ping times to show it is connected or not to the internet, it does not check the actual speed or latency. Since the OP has a Hopper Plus, OP can always install the Speedtest app for diagnostics and then take a photo of the results and post it here. Before 2017, I used tȯhave 6Mbps/768Kbps ADSL and even though the Hopper 1 and Hopper 3 also showed internet connectivity is okay, everytime my Ring Doorbell is uploading, it would knock the entire internet connection off-line as the upload pipe would be 100% filled by the Ring Door bell uploading the video because the ACKnowledgement packets would not have priority being sent back in time which was fixed with QoS traffic shaping but that still does not mean streaming will work as it requires at least 25Mbps minimum or more if there are other devices on the same connection sharing the bandwidth.

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JJinVista

Today at 5:12 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

4K Hopper 3 Playback Reverts to 1/4 size display after Fast Forward

I've had a H3 receiver for years but just recently began watching and recording 4k content. I'm consistently having the display revert to the upper left quarter of the screen after fast forwarding or pausing the playback of 4k recordings.

Some research I've done blames it on the Hopper as not having the processing power to quickly shift between the FF or pause playback formats and it leaves the playback device in a mode thinking that it's no longer receiving a 4k stream. So it displays the 1/4 image.

I've found that I can quickly recover back to a full screen 4k display by using the remote sequence Pause / Info / Resume.

I've tested this on two different monitors, but they're both LGs, so maybe it's the TVs, and not the Hopper? Is this a known problem? Anyone else experience this?

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Last reply Today at 4:39 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Today at 2:56 PM

Playin' the Loser Again - Jimmy Buffett

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Today at 3:50 PM

Turn That Heartbeat Over Again - Steely Dan

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Today at 4:03 PM

Heartbeat City - The Cars

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