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salsadancer7
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I didn't make much of the Auburn hiring of Gene Chizik until I heard what Charles Barkely said yesterday on Dan LeBetard's radio show. I cannot think of 1 good reason why they hired him OVER Turner Gil...not one. I don't think they should have hired JUST a black coach, but of all the guys they interviewed.....it definately sounded like a one horse race.

Lobbying for Gill, alum Barkley says Auburn should have hired black coach

By Mark Schlabach

Updated: December 16, 2008, 4:32 PM ET

Former Auburn and NBA star Charles Barkley ripped the school he attended on Monday, saying the only reason the Tigers did not hire Buffalo's Turner Gill as the school's new football coach is because Gill is black.

Auburn on Saturday hired Iowa State's Gene Chizik, who had a 5-19 record in two seasons with the Cyclones. Chizik was the defensive coordinator at Auburn in 2004, when the Tigers finished 13-0 and ranked No. 2 in the country.

Chizik replaces former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville, who won 85 games in 10 seasons but was forced to resign earlier this month.

"I think race was the No. 1 factor," said Barkley, who played basketball for three seasons at Auburn during the early 1980s. "You can say it's not about race, but you can't compare the two résumés and say [Chizik] deserved the job. Out of all the coaches they interviewed, Chizik probably had the worst résumé."

Gill, a former Nebraska quarterback, took over one of the country's worst programs at Buffalo three years ago. He guided the Bulls to an 8-5 record and their first MAC championship this season, upsetting previously unbeaten Ball State 42-24 in the Dec. 5 conference championship game.

The Bulls won 10 games in their first seven seasons at the Division I-A level. Gill guided Buffalo to 13 victories during the past two seasons combined.

"I'm just very disappointed," Barkley said. "I just thought Turner Gill would be the perfect choice for two reasons: He's a terrific coach and we needed to make a splash. I thought we had to do something spectacular to bring attention to the program. Clearly, if we'd hired a black coach, it would have created a buzz."

Barkley, who works as an NBA analyst for Turner Network Television, said he spoke with Gill before Gill interviewed with Auburn officials last week.

"We talked about the whole race thing in Alabama," Barkley said. "I told him it's there and it's going to be anywhere you go. I told him you can't not take the job because of racism. He was worried about being nothing more than a token interview. He was concerned about having a white wife. It's just very disappointing to me."

Chizik said Monday he understands the expectations as he takes over at Auburn and that there's only one way to quiet fans upset by his hiring.

"You gotta win," Chizik said during a news conference. A half-dozen or so times, Chizik confidently said he was the "right guy" for the job.

"Nobody's expectation that is a fan of Auburn University is higher than mine," Chizik said. "That sums it up. My expectations are very high. I understand that the people of this place, including myself, they want championships. That's my expectation of myself. That's what I take with me to sleep with every night."

The results at Iowa State weren't spectacular, yet Auburn athletic director Jay Jacobs said Chizik's plan for turning around the Cyclones was part of what got him the job.

"He was on path there at Iowa State to turn that program around in a positive way," said Jacobs. He called Chizik a "tireless recruiter" with a solid plan.

Five wins in two years got Chizik an offer of a two-year contract extension at Iowa State. He reportedly will receive a five-year contract worth about $2 million a year from Auburn, about double his former deal which included a $750,000 buyout.

Iowa State athletic director Jamie Pollard sounded upset to lose Chizik. He said Monday during a news conference in Ames that twice last week, Chizik assured him that he wouldn't dump the Cyclones for Auburn.

Pollard said that Iowa State's fans, staff and players "deserved better."

"He's got to reconcile in himself what he told all these players and what he told our administration and what he's doing now," Pollard said. "And if he can live with that, more power to him. I know Jamie Pollard couldn't have done that to this place."

Asked about Barkley's comments to ESPN, Jacobs said: "Well, my reaction is I was picking the best fit for Auburn."

Barkley, an 11-time NBA All-Star and two-time Olympic gold medal winner, said he served on Auburn's search committee for a new basketball coach after the 2003-04 season. Barkley said he told Auburn officials he would serve on the committee only if the school was ready to hire a black coach.

Barkley said he presented three African-American candidates for consideration: former Indiana coach Mike Davis, then-Virginia Commonwealth coach Jeff Capel and then-UAB coach Mike Anderson.

Barkley said all three candidates wanted to coach at Auburn. Instead, the Tigers hired then-Chattanooga coach Jeff Lebo, a white candidate. Lebo has a 61-68 record in his fifth season at Auburn.

Barkley said he was removed from Auburn's search committee before Lebo was hired.

"Out of all the basketball coaches they interviewed, they picked the only one who hadn't been to the NCAA tournament," Barkley said.

There are only four African-American coaches among 119 programs in the NCAA's Football Bowl Subdivision. Illinois offensive coordinator Mike Locksley was hired as New Mexico's coach last week; the others are Gill, Miami's Randy Shannon and Houston's Kevin Sumlin.

Two African-American coaches, Washington's Tyrone Willingham and Kansas State's Ron Prince, were fired during the 2008 season, and Mississippi State's Sylvester Croom resigned.

Barkley said he wanted Gill to become Auburn's coach because Auburn is a school where an African-American coach could be successful.

"My biggest problem with the black coaches is they're not getting jobs and they're getting [expletive] jobs when they are hired," Barkley said. "They're not getting good jobs. They're not getting jobs where they can be successful. That's why I wanted Turner to get the Auburn job. He could win consistently at Auburn. You can't win consistently at New Mexico. You can't win consistently at Kansas State. He could have won at Auburn."

[ame="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3770769"]Charles Barkley outraged by Auburn Tigers' hiring of Gene Chizik - ESPN[/ame]
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Paul Wozniak
I'm so tired of "race issues". Didn't we just elect a "man of color" president? Barkley should give a bigger donation to the school, and then maybe he would have a bigger voice in these matters.
Rey
Rey
I'm so tired of "race issues". Didn't we just elect a "man of color" president? Barkley should give a bigger donation to the school, and then maybe he would have a bigger voice in these matters.

While many of you are making excellent points and have great observations like salsa,Hdm and others, i just feel that some (media) are making a bigger deal out of this than what it actually is. Sometimes the ones that say a decision was made based on race are the 1st ones that are racists. That's just my personal feeling on the subject. I'll just keep on reading what you guys post in this thread.
salsadancer7
While many of you are making excellent points and have great observations like salsa,Hdm and others, i just feel that some (media) are making a bigger deal out of this than what it actually is. Sometimes the ones that say a decision was made based on race are the 1st ones that are racists. That's just my personal feeling on the subject. I'll just keep on reading what you guys post in this thread.

See, I can understand Barkley's point: ONE, he his alumni, that contributes ALOT of money to the school and would like for QUALIFIED blacks to be offered jobs, especially when almost 75% of the athletes participating IN THE SPORT are black. TWO, he spoke to Gil during the process, and he stated that he was a good guy with MORE than good enough qualifications for the job. THREE, the coach selected might have been a GOD as a defensive coordinator....but sucked as a head coach AT a relatively decent size program...that ENDED the season with a 10 game losing streak to boot.

SOME coaches are just not ment to be head coaches.....
BlackHitachi
See, I can understand Barkley's point: ONE, he his alumni, that contributes ALOT of money to the school and would like for QUALIFIED blacks to be offered jobs, especially when almost 75% of the athletes participating IN THE SPORT are black. TWO, he spoke to Gil during the process, and he stated that he was a good guy with MORE than good enough qualifications for the job. THREE, the coach selected might have been a GOD as a defensive coordinator....but sucked as a head coach AT a relatively decent size program...that ENDED the season with a 10 game losing streak to boot.

SOME coaches are just not ment to be head coaches.....
75% of the Athletes and 95% starters! I hope most of the recruits see this and goes to another school!
charper1
75% of the Athletes and 95% starters! I hope most of the recruits see this and goes to another school!


Yep BH, I think that thought / plan is a bit to simplistic and really doesn't solve or prove anything. An example using your stat could also be used to say that maybe non-Blacks are being discriminated against at the player / starter level. Should we then force schools to accept players, students, etc just to fill stats or make things look a certain way to appease others or make them more media friendly? I don't think so. These types of knee-jerk reactions can tend to make things worse over time. Sometime, most times, we need to look beyond race as being the key factor or any factor in why decisions are made. Usually its not the factor, but everyone knows that uttering racism garners much more attention while ALSO negatively impacting the people and or institution its used against; a de facto, pre-proof punishment if you will; almost in a strong-arm, terrorist, extortion kind of way! If we are ever to truly move past racism as a civilized people, then we MUST stop throwing it out there as the first cause, the only cause of why someone may or may not get their way; or as the only explanations as to why things happen to us.
mdonnelly
Yep BH, I think that thought / plan is a bit to simplistic and really doesn't solve or prove anything. An example using your stat could also be used to say that maybe non-Blacks are being discriminated against at the player / starter level. Should we then force schools to accept players, students, etc just to fill stats or make things look a certain way to appease others or make them more media friendly? I don't think so. These types of knee-jerk reactions can tend to make things worse over time. Sometime, most times, we need to look beyond race as being the key factor or any factor in why decisions are made. Usually its not the factor, but everyone knows that uttering racism garners much more attention while ALSO negatively impacting the people and or institution its used against; a de facto, pre-proof punishment if you will; almost in a strong-arm, terrorist, extortion kind of way! If we are ever to truly move past racism as a civilized people, then we MUST stop throwing it out there as the first cause, the only cause of why someone may or may not get their way; or as the only explanations as to why things happen to us.
And we must never close our eyes and pretend that racism doesn't exist. These decisions need to be examined beyond the explanations given in public by the decision makers. The NCAA does need to be involved in the process when there is such a great disparity in the number of minority coaches in college football, and qualified minority coaches are being passed over for positions at major programs.

We'll know that we've achieved a milestone in race relations when a minority coach can be hired and fired without race entering the discussion. We're not there yet.
cosmo_kramer
These decisions need to be examined beyond the explanations given in public by the decision makers. The NCAA does need to be involved in the process when there is such a great disparity in the number of minority coaches in college football, and qualified minority coaches are being passed over for positions at major programs.
The only thing the NCAA could do would be to institute something like the NFL has, the Rooney Rule. This requires teams with head coaching vacancies interview at least one minority candidate. But, that rule wasn't needed here because there were two minority coaches interviewed.

Mike Tomlin is probably the best example of how that has worked. But, there is also the negative side of a mandated interview with a minority candidate when a team has essentially made up their mind on a known commodity. Just look at the talk about Schottenheimer to the Browns. He's probably the odds-on favorite to get the job, but the Browns would have to interview minority candidates anyway.

Like I said in an earlier post yesterday:

Hiring someone is obviously a subjective decision. You would hope that with millions of dollars and possibly their jobs and at stake, Auburn's administration would make their decision with the school's best interest at heart. Did they make a bad decision?? Time will tell. Did they make a racist decision?? I doubt it.
The Insider
75% of the Athletes and 95% starters! I hope most of the recruits see this and goes to another school!


See Auburn is more racist then we thought... How come there are not more white people on the team starting!! :rolleyes:
BlackHitachi
See Auburn is more racist then we thought... How come there are not more white people on the team starting!! :rolleyes:
Speed, strength, talent? I guess??:rolleyes: I don't know but to NOT see it would be very simple of a person.
Paul Wozniak
The only thing the NCAA could do would be to institute something like the NFL has, the Rooney Rule. This requires teams with head coaching vacancies interview at least one minority candidate. But, that rule wasn't needed here because there were two minority coaches interviewed.

Mike Tomlin is probably the best example of how that has worked. But, there is also the negative side of a mandated interview with a minority candidate when a team has essentially made up their mind on a known commodity. Just look at the talk about Schottenheimer to the Browns. He's probably the odds-on favorite to get the job, but the Browns would have to interview minority candidates anyway.

Like I said in an earlier post yesterday:

The Lions interviewed Tomlin, and passed. (Post your ridicule here.) The "Rooney Rule" worked really well in that instance.:rolleyes:
The Insider
Speed, strength, talent? I guess??:rolleyes: I don't know but to NOT see it would be very simple of a person.

I guess they chose this coach because of his inteligence then..:rolleyes:
The Insider
The rooney rule is as retarded as any. I dont think at the level of the NFL or NCAA you really "Apply" for the coaching job. They look at everyone and pick who they want. They will make a list and of those people some will not be interested, but the ones that are they will weigh against each other in an "interview" if you will. I know if I owned an NFL team or was an AD at a uni, id at least have a list of a couple people to replace all my coaches "just in case" anything happens..

The rooney rule is nothing but more affirmative action crap to make people "feel good".
BlackHitachi
I guess they chose this coach because of his inteligence then..:rolleyes:
Nope thats why we are upset. If they would have done that the right guy would have got the job!!:D:up:rolleyes:
cosmo_kramer
The Lions interviewed Tomlin, and passed. (Post your ridicule here.) The "Rooney Rule" worked really well in that instance.:rolleyes:
The Rooney Rule has no provisions to handle organizational incompetence.
Paul Wozniak
The Rooney Rule has no provisions to handle organizational incompetence.

Exactly.
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.
Bobby
Regular$5.839​
Premium$6.299​
Diesel$7.999​
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harshness
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?
Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

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The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Ok checked it out and for some reason the web server (NGINX) tried starting before the DNS resolver fully loaded. This is why it worked when I rebooted the machine.

Thanks to ChatGPT it had me change the NGINX config to prevent this from happening again.

With that said I can't prevent the ISP from doing emergency upgrades which was the cause of all of this.
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Nature will develop better idiots.
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Nature will develop better idiots.
God help us.
Scott Greczkowski
I guess this is what the downtime was about.

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Scott Greczkowski
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
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I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share
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Jimbo
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

Walmart isn't the only one ...
Juan
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price
harshness
Walmart isn't the only one ...
I've been seeing this more and more on Amazon. Sometimes it seems there is no way they could have arrived at the number.

What rankles me even more is Costco changing units of measure between similar products, so you have to convert them to compare prices.
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

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663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

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Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
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weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.
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I don't get my hopes up for anything with Travolta these days.