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722 pulling two IPs

I have just noticed this in the last couple of days. My router shows it with two IP addresses at the same time Anyone else seen this before?
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jpmarto
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Strange. I still think it is the Router's fault. It has a table of IPs it can distribute, vs the MAC address of machines it has granted IPs -- it shouldn't allow duplicates. If you've moved the 722's cable from one port to another on the switch that might have confused the switch, but the DHCP service should not have been fooled. Many home routers have a 30 day DHCP lease default, so maybe in the future one will go away. Anyway, you've done yourself proud to notice the anomaly, and learn some basic troubleshooting skills.

Doing the Google "Netgear wnr3500 duplicate IPs" there are a few obscure hits on the subject, but the links I get don't have search. So, you may not be the first to experience this.

BTW, on a simple switched LAN, communications is by MAC, not IP. When you ping an "unknown" IP, the ARP protocol sends an Ethernet packet to all devices on the network asking "who the heck has IP x.x.x.x? When someone responds, you have his return MAC and can communicate with him. This information is cached in your PC, displayed by "arp -a" or arp -g), but it only stays in the cache for 2 minutes or so. When troubleshooting, keep that in mind.
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jpmarto said:
Strange. I still think it is the Router's fault. It has a table of IPs it can distribute, vs the MAC address of machines it has granted IPs -- it shouldn't allow duplicates. If you've moved the 722's cable from one port to another on the switch that might have confused the switch, but the DHCP service should not have been fooled. Many home routers have a 30 day DHCP lease default, so maybe in the future one will go away. Anyway, you've done yourself proud to notice the anomaly, and learn some basic troubleshooting skills.

Doing the Google "Netgear wnr3500 duplicate IPs" there are a few obscure hits on the subject, but the links I get don't have search. So, you may not be the first to experience this.

BTW, on a simple switched LAN, communications is by MAC, not IP. When you ping an "unknown" IP, the ARP protocol sends an Ethernet packet to all devices on the network asking "who the heck has IP x.x.x.x? When someone responds, you have his return MAC and can communicate with him. This information is cached in your PC, displayed by "arp -a" or arp -g), but it only stays in the cache for 2 minutes or so. When troubleshooting, keep that in mind.
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Thanks for the help. It's not hurting anything. I was just curious as to why. I was also wondering why the IPs are 10.x.x.x, and not the standard 192.168.x.x? It even states in the instructions and notes that 192.168.x.x is the default. Should I change these or leave it alone?
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10.X.X.X is the private range for class A IP networks. 172.16-31.X.X are private Class B, and 192.168.X.X are private class C. Those IPs cannot traverse the Internet, so they are used when you want to put many PCs on the Internet when you only have one IP -- usually when you use Port Address Translation. If you go to WIMI.COM you will see your IP from your ISP (and a neat speed test).

169.254.X.X is the "APIPA" address, your PC will self assign it if it asks for a DHCP address and nobody responds. I see far too many folks who should know better not recognize it for what it is.

As for changing your IP, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! With 192.168.<third octet>.X class C you could only add 253 more machines on your network. With class A 10.X.X.X you can add 16.7 million. Just think of the possibilities!
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jpmarto said:
10.X.X.X is the private range for class A IP networks. 172.16-31.X.X are private Class B, and 192.168.X.X are private class C. Those IPs cannot traverse the Internet, so they are used when you want to put many PCs on the Internet when you only have one IP -- usually when you use Port Address Translation. If you go to WIMI.COM you will see your IP from your ISP (and a neat speed test).

169.254.X.X is the "APIPA" address, your PC will self assign it if it asks for a DHCP address and nobody responds. I see far too many folks who should know better not recognize it for what it is.

As for changing your IP, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! With 192.168.<third octet>.X class C you could only add 253 more machines on your network. With class A 10.X.X.X you can add 16.7 million. Just think of the possibilities!
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Understand. Thanks again for the info and assistance.;)

16.7 million!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
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Actually, I should clarify. With Class A you have 16.7 million possible hosts (256 * 256 * 256), but with Port Address Translation, since TCP and UDP port numbers are 16 bits long, you'd "only" be able to have 2 ^16, or port numbers 0 through 65,535, thus "limiting" you to 64,000 or so devices on your home network.
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jpmarto said:
Actually, I should clarify. With Class A you have 16.7 million possible hosts (256 * 256 * 256), but with Port Address Translation, since TCP and UDP port numbers are 16 bits long, you'd "only" be able to have 2 ^16, or port numbers 0 through 65,535, thus "limiting" you to 64,000 or so devices on your home network.
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Aw crap!!! That changes everything!!!!:D
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stimpson said:
Thanks for the help. It's not hurting anything. I was just curious as to why. I was also wondering why the IPs are 10.x.x.x, and not the standard 192.168.x.x? It even states in the instructions and notes that 192.168.x.x is the default. Should I change these or leave it alone?
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I think I can answer this one as I just ran into it last week. Netgear routers will change their LAN IP scheme to 10.x.x.x without warning if they see a 192.168.x.x network on the WAN port. In my case it was a rouge DHCP server on the network caused by someone having a router's WAN cable hooked up to one of the LAN ports by mistake.

This can also be caused by some cable and DSL modems that have embedded management servers operating in a 192.168.x.x scheme.

More info here: http://forum1.netgear.com/showthread.php?t=29096

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What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
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Song Name Game Part 3!

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Laptop Shutting Off When On Battery?

Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.
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arlo said:
That's all I got.
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That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks
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Starlink Router question

I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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TRG said:
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.
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TRG said:
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc
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TRG said:
…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.
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If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

mobilemusthave.com

Starlink V5 Is Here: What RVers Need to Know

Overview of the new Starlink V5 model along with comparison to the previous V4 model along with a recommended setup for mobile internet users.
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Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.
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I think we could all use a laugh - Rodney Dangerfield on Carson

Good...simple humor. Enjoy


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At least 64 dead in Spanish passenger train collision

Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain<!-- --> | ZeroHedge

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dishstaller said:
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

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They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.
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Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.

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The safest seat to sit on in a train

Safety experts have shared top tips on train safety after a fatal railway crash in Spain killed 69 people, including where the safest place is in an emergency.
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