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Last reply · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion
I am trying to install my FTA system I bought from Galaxy Marketing.

What I am trying to determine is should this take days and days to install and find the satellites or is something not operational in the system?

System is Sonset Digital Universal Single LNBF, Fortec Star Dynamic Receiver, Fortec Star Digiready H H motor and WS international 90 cm dish.

I have been trying to receive any signal from any satellite for the past FIVE days.

I have tried five different locations in my back yard, double and triple checked all my
settings and I have not been able to see any change in signal level from any bird on any channel. All I get is a signal level of 41% and signal quality 01%, even with the LNBF not connected.

The tech at Galaxy Marketing said it took him 13 hours to do his last FTA setup.

I just can't believe this can be so hard. I have simplified my setup to exclude my antenna motor, replaced all coax, tripled checked that my mount is plum, I have two compasses, 2 levels, a sat finder meter and have spend five days installing and reinstalling my system. My satellite finder meter is reacting to signals as I move the dish to different satellite positions, but no change in the signal or quality level at the receiver ever. I am using data from dishpointer for Az/El info.

Data for motor set up:
Latitude: 34.1
Declination: 5.5
Dish Elevation 24
Due South mag 167

Any suggestions or comments ? Thanks for any info in advance.
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turbosat
spiff is right! I remember the first real "digital" video I picked up with my first receiver, and I was amazed at how good it looked. Up until that day the only digital video I had seen was dishnetwork. Then, my next question of course, was why do THEY look so bad when a reporter-on-the-street shot looked so good? LOL
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It can be done fast, but a lot of it is selecting a good known transponder, and setting the right lnb freq in your receiver. The last dish I set up was last summer at my sister's house. It was a fixed dish and it took about 2 hours.

That was including a run to the hardware store to get screws and build a ladder to get to her roof, she's cheap like me, and didn't want to spend $50 bucks on a ladder when there was enough 2X4's laying in the yard to get to the roof if only we had enough srews to put it together.

Practice helps alot as in anything, but if you try aiming, without the motor, on different sats and getting watchable channels on 3 or 4 sats you will be able to do it with the motorized setup.

Signal means nothing, Quality is what you want. Have a tv and the receiver where you can see the tv from you dish location, nobody wants to be yelling or phoning somebody that can only see the tv, because it is a lot slower.

Make very small movements east to west and wait for 1-2 seconds before you move again. If you still can't find it, adjust the dish elevation about 1 degree, and move the dish east-west again. Repeat till you get quality. It may seem hard when you are starting out, but after a while you can move a fixed dish from one sat to another in a few minutes.
Cadsulfide
We have all been there, patience.

Daniel Boone was asked once if he had ever been lost in the wilderness.

"No, but I was once a mite bewildered for three days"
M
Lots of good input here. I'll try to add to it a bit and re-itterate some others. 41 is a poor signal or 'connection quality' reading. It should change [increase] when a good connection is made to an lnb, [ if the setup data is correct] even if it is pointed at the ground. Be sure to verify the ~13 or 18 vdc at the STB input connector and lnb end. Look for damaged or crushed places on the coax, poor crimps etc. Make sure there is one continous run of coax from the box to the STB, no slices, splitters, switches, etc. The setup for that lnb will affect this reading too.
Remove as many variables as possible. put the dish on the pole w/o the posititoner first. Know your true south direction, and become familiar with the appx relative locations of a few key birds. The Echo circular sats are very stong and evenly spaced across the Americas. As pointed out, the LO/IF/LNB Freq varies on which LNB you have. The menu description also varies by mfgr as well. Purchased for TFTA in the US, you probably have a LNB that uses a value of 10.750, regardless of what it is called. Your vendor docs should provide this info. If you have a circular LNB for some reason, it is an 11250, and will not work for TFTA service. Linear LNBs usually will pick up circular signal, probably due to the higher strength, but circulars dont see the lower powered linear signals. The sat rx freqs that you enter are critical as well. Dont expect the factory defaults, if any to be valid. The 1st entry in the table is likely the one it uses to display signal on the satellite setup page. With a single lnb for input you need no switch config, set this all to off or none. Arm youself with a valid freq list for the sats you want to lock onto. There is a proggy called Channelmaster that allows channel data editing for some stb's. I dont know if your is supported, but if so, you can build a basic sat/freq table of known good 'markers' and dl it to your box if supported.
Do not over tighten or undertighten the mount while manually panning. Too loose = too sloppy, and too tight = over stressing the assy and 'springback affect' on small movements. This goes for the elevation adjustments too. A bit of vasoline on the movable points/pole will make for a smoother pan at small increments. Allow at least 1-2 seconds for the rx to lock before proceeding to the next incremental move. Keep the vasoline to a min and you can mark good hits on the pole w/ a sharpie for temp reference points. Dont go for precision at this point as much as proving the HW and the data setup. Once you've verified the setup and a few key markers points, step back and look at each successful position, make notes of sig quality, then set the assy up w/ the motor and do it all over again, tweaking the elevation.
It is a task that demands patience, but 5 days is wrong. The guy that said all day was.....well. I'll be nice. Suffice it to say a few hrs tops is all you need to be up and running sitting on the couch wearing the remote out. Preparation is the key. Have as many variable out of the equation as possible, and the actual pointing becomes a trivial task. Good luck, and welcome to the hobby...........dont give up, there are lots of knowledgable and helpfull folks here that want nothing more than to see a fellow TFTA'er succeed.
M
PS Cad , Brian Keith had a similar line in The Mountain Men - "Lost? I aint never been lost, Been a fearsome bit confused for a few monthes, but never lost."
WildBill
· posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I've been having intermittent problems with Amazon Prime video programs loading using the H3 guide listing. I can get to the program I want to watch, but when I try to view it, it starts to load and then stalls. Eventually, a screen pops up saying "something went wrong, try again later". I've tried rebooting the hopper without success. Sometimes switching the HDMI input on my LG TV works, but not always. I don't have this problem on my phone or computer, so it is not a network or router issue.

I did a quick google search and found that this is a common problem associated with overloading or corruption of the data cache in the Amazon app and the solution is to clear the cache. Easy to do on a computer or phone, but I don't know how to do this on the H3. If anyone a solution or suggestion, I'd appreciate some help. Thanks.
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

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Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Was raining yesterday so I went to Sams up in Dothan to stock up on some things. Haven't been there in quite a while. I was amazed at how large most of the TVs were. When I walked in they had a 100 in Vizio (I think it was Vizio) that was marked down to something like $1,200. The first rows of TVs were all in the 80 in + sizes. The next couple of rows had the "smaller" models....those 75 and under. I was amazed at how small the 75s looked when lined up with the larger screens.
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Q-LED and Mini LED panels have improved the picture quality and the tv's are so thin and nearly without bezels now. I've thought about replacing the 75in 4k DV/HDR LED Sony in my living room with a newer 86in. That's as big as I can go without construction changes. I watch the 75in 4k DV/HDR Q-LED in my bedroom and the difference between the two is very noticeable. There's nothing wrong with the living room tv though and I don't now that I actually watch enough anymore to really justify it. I could move it out to the patio but the 65in Q-LED out there looks really good and I'd have to change the mount to accomdate a larger tv out there.
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55" is plenty big.
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55" is plenty big.
And to think....I was SO proud of myself when I bought a 27 in TV in the late 80s. Everyone just had a 25 in so I was really in high cotton.
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I've pretty much done most things in Ireland and I'm thinking about the other side of the Irish sea. I'm thinking about traveling to Wales this summer. My second choice would be Scotland. I don't want anything to do with London except maybe landing in Heathrow and then escaping quickly.

Any tips or experiences to share?
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd​ scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list. :mad:

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
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dishstaller
I hear complaints from customers each and every day. I chose not to install OTAs with a doggle for a reason.

BTW, I like your user name


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It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.
So, you want the ability to, for example, scan while your antenna is pointed to the east and save those channels to your list. Then, you want to scan again with the antenna pointed to the west, and add some of those channels to the list also while retaining the original channels you added from the east?

How would that work? If you move the antenna and some of your channels are no longer are accessible, there's no point in having them on the list. Unless, you want to re-point the antenna each time you switched from an east channel to a west channel and vice versa.

I suppose you could have one of those remote controlled antenna mast like we had back in the 60's. In that case, I can see your point. I think DISH has just designed the system to fit what the vast majority of users actually have. I'm guessing your situation is a pretty narrow use case scenario. I'm just really happy to be able to have my locals without having to pay the $17 month for them.

I just wish DISH would fix the remote control issue that the last few software downloads screwed up. I use the 54 remote and my Hopper is jumping around from off to on, from live to recording.......................like a Kangaroo.
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To Dishstaller, I appreciate your compliment. That was an epic SNL skit !!

To RVvaquero, I appreciate your coments but everything you mention has been considered:

Firstly, I use OTA very rarely - mainly for sporting events.
Secondly, I'm well aware that, since certain channels may scan from one directon while others from another directions, and remembering the difference, for certain stations I will point the antenna in a suitable direction. Some stations come in for almost any direction. In my original list (which has now been discarded), I had about 18 OTA stations and all of them were scanned from the same antenna direction. Even so, the Dish receiver was very particular about ABC (local KOAT 007-01). In the new geographic setting, it gets KOAT easier. Several months ago, due to a contract dispute, CBS (formerly local KRQE on 013-01) was dropped; it hooked up with KOAT as KOATCB (007-04) which is the one station I really needed. But I had to rescan to get it ...

All of ths points to the flaw in Dish's OTA software that prevents scanned stations from simply being appended to a master saved list. The user should be left to manage antenna pointing per OTA station since in many areas (like mine), they don't all come in from the same direction.
Bobby
To Dishstaller, I appreciate your compliment. That was an epic SNL skit !!

To RVvaquero, I appreciate your coments but everything you mention has been considered:

Firstly, I use OTA very rarely - mainly for sporting events.
Secondly, I'm well aware that, since certain channels may scan from one directon while others from another directions, and remembering the difference, for certain stations I will point the antenna in a suitable direction. Some stations come in for almost any direction. In my original list (which has now been discarded), I had about 18 OTA stations and all of them were scanned from the same antenna direction. Even so, the Dish receiver was very particular about ABC (local KOAT 007-01). In the new geographic setting, it gets KOAT easier. Several months ago, due to a contract dispute, CBS (formerly local KRQE on 013-01) was dropped; it hooked up with KOAT as KOATCB (007-04) which is the one station I really needed. But I had to rescan to get it ...

All of ths points to the flaw in Dish's OTA software that prevents scanned stations from simply being appended to a master saved list. The user should be left to manage antenna pointing per OTA station since in many areas (like mine), they don't all come in from the same direction.
As rvvaquero mentioned, you are in a very small population who actually need to move their antenna to receive various TV channels. There are a few reasons why it is not advantageous for Dish to do what you are asking for. First and primary, there are anomalies in the software that can cause issues when you have scanned channels in the mix that have little or no signal. You get error pop ups and cannot watch any channel, OTA or satellite. I have seen these even with my antenna pointed to one direction. Second, you are asking Dish to adapt their software to your needs while the very vast majority don't need that. This is an expense that everyone is going to have to pay for while few gain any advantage.

Have you thought about adding a second antenna so that you are pointing at both directions to fulfill your needs. There are ways to do this and it would fulfill your individual need.

Foxbat
Televes makes an antenna signal combiner that will support two different antennas pointing towards two different locations, and has filters to drop the signals from the channels that interfere with the 2nd antenna channels. This produces a signal that would contain all your receivable channels in one feed. It would probably cost less than a single antenna on a rotor controlled by a smart box that would relocate the antenna mast towards the TV station you wanted to tune in, plus it's instantaneous, without waiting for the antenna to slew towards its target.

Why Choose the Televes SmartKom?

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