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I'm learning. It's a process, and it's part of the reason I'm posting more rather than lurking. I know a lot things, but I don't know everything, nor will I ever.
I feel like I've made a meaningful contribution to this thread in a number of places, most especially with the breakdown of the lease expenses a few posts back.
Funny how I was promptly getting attacked earlier for not posting evidence to back up some of my claims and speculation, but when I posted evidence on the most significant factor of money ($500M-$1B total costs to rent half of a Ku-band satellite from the Canadians) the post evoked no response.
Not the most friendly environment I'm encountering here considering I'm just trying to contribute.
I'm learning. It's a process, and it's part of the reason I'm posting more rather than lurking. I know a lot things, but I don't know everything, nor will I ever.
I feel like I've made a meaningful contribution to this thread in a number of places, most especially with the breakdown of the lease expenses a few posts back.
Funny how I was promptly getting attacked earlier for not posting evidence to back up some of my claims and speculation, but when I posted evidence on the most significant factor of money ($500M-$1B total costs to rent half of a Ku-band satellite from the Canadians) the post evoked no response.
Not the most friendly environment I'm encountering here considering I'm just trying to contribute.
I'm learning. It's a process, and it's part of the reason I'm posting more rather than lurking. I know a lot things, but I don't know everything, nor will I ever.
I feel like I've made a meaningful contribution to this thread in a number of places, most especially with the breakdown of the lease expenses a few posts back.
Funny how I was promptly getting attacked earlier for not posting evidence to back up some of my claims and speculation, but when I posted evidence on the most significant factor of money ($500M-$1B total costs to rent half of a Ku-band satellite from the Canadians) the post evoked no response.
Not the most friendly environment I'm encountering here considering I'm just trying to contribute.
My take on your posts is you are only looking to find any little thing out of the ordinary and attacking it. But you are looking at Echostar as a residential satellite TV provider. They are far from that.
Sorry, but I haven't found any meaningful contribution in your posts. There are many reasons why there is EA, WA, and the other KU birds.
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As with any lease deal, you have to look at the present value of leasing vs the owning and operating cost over the life of the asset (satellite). The figures you quoted:
I personally don't know what the present value of the 15-year owning and operating cost of a $250-300 million spacecraft is (including the launch, testing, monitoring, and debt service, and ????), but I would bet that it's similar to or more than the $672 million that Dish might pay for 16 full-power transponders over that time. I'll leave that exercise to someone who knows more about what it takes to operate a satellite.
I certainly don't fault you for asking these questions, but I don't think any of us on this board have all the inside information necessary to completely analyze the lease vs own question.
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Funny how I was promptly getting attacked earlier for not posting evidence to back up some of my claims and speculation, but when I posted evidence on the most significant factor of money ($500M-$1B total costs to rent half of a Ku-band satellite from the Canadians) the post evoked no response.
Not the most friendly environment I'm encountering here considering I'm just trying to contribute.
As with any lease deal, you have to look at the present value of leasing vs the owning and operating cost over the life of the asset (satellite). The figures you quoted:
"- Initial lease payment = $50 Million USD
- Monthly Charges - medium-power mode = $175,000 USD Per Transponder Per Month ($31.5 Million per transponder over their 15-year contract, or $504 Million for 16 transponders)
- Monthly Charges - high-power mode = $350,000 USD Per Transponder Per Month ($63 Million per transponder over their 15-year contract, or $1.008 Billion for 16 transponders)
- Late Payment fee - 1.5% compounded monthly, or 19.56% per year
So, Dish can lease HALF of the Canadian satellite for the 15-year term for a minimum of $554 Million, and as much as $1.058 Billion (EXCLUDING taxes, Government-related fees, and any of the many other kinds of fees that can be billed to Echostar). If they are allowed to lease more than that, just watch those figures rise even higher."
don't take present value into consideration. I did the math, using an interest rate of 7%, and the present value of leasing 16 medium power transponders for 15 years is about $361 million. 16 full-power transponders would be $672 million. Unless you have full access to the lease terms, I don't know how you could assume that Dish would be responsible for taxes and fees on top of lease payments. They may be, but we don't know.- Monthly Charges - medium-power mode = $175,000 USD Per Transponder Per Month ($31.5 Million per transponder over their 15-year contract, or $504 Million for 16 transponders)
- Monthly Charges - high-power mode = $350,000 USD Per Transponder Per Month ($63 Million per transponder over their 15-year contract, or $1.008 Billion for 16 transponders)
- Late Payment fee - 1.5% compounded monthly, or 19.56% per year
So, Dish can lease HALF of the Canadian satellite for the 15-year term for a minimum of $554 Million, and as much as $1.058 Billion (EXCLUDING taxes, Government-related fees, and any of the many other kinds of fees that can be billed to Echostar). If they are allowed to lease more than that, just watch those figures rise even higher."
I personally don't know what the present value of the 15-year owning and operating cost of a $250-300 million spacecraft is (including the launch, testing, monitoring, and debt service, and ????), but I would bet that it's similar to or more than the $672 million that Dish might pay for 16 full-power transponders over that time. I'll leave that exercise to someone who knows more about what it takes to operate a satellite.
I certainly don't fault you for asking these questions, but I don't think any of us on this board have all the inside information necessary to completely analyze the lease vs own question.
Brad
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Thanks, that's some very interesting info. I definitely hadn't been considering how the value of money changes over time.
I've been poking around the web and Dish's SEC filings to try to find any hints as to owned satellite costs (including research, launch, etc), but haven't found any concrete info yet. As for leased satellites, Echostar is losing money on AMC-15 and AMC-16 ($217.7M in 2008) due to excess, unsold capacity. I'm sure there's specific information on owned satellites somewhere, but there's a lot of info to sift through.
As for taxes and fees relating to the Nimiq 5 lease, here's the main info from the FCC application:
Thanks, that's some very interesting info. I definitely hadn't been considering how the value of money changes over time.
I've been poking around the web and Dish's SEC filings to try to find any hints as to owned satellite costs (including research, launch, etc), but haven't found any concrete info yet. As for leased satellites, Echostar is losing money on AMC-15 and AMC-16 ($217.7M in 2008) due to excess, unsold capacity. I'm sure there's specific information on owned satellites somewhere, but there's a lot of info to sift through.
As for taxes and fees relating to the Nimiq 5 lease, here's the main info from the FCC application:
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House Passes AM Radio For Every Vehicle Act
(Washington, DC) - The U.S. House has passed the AM Radio for Every Vehicle Act, marking a major step forward for broadcasters and listeners who have pushed to keep AM radio available in new cars and
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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. can we say over priced garbage!!!
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Hello folks, well my luck ran out last week with a nasty thunderstorm and after 39 years here, finally took a hit. Now, the FTA receivers I had for some years worked great until now. Recently picked up a fairly cheap receiver, online, KOQIT and seems to be good, but for the life of me, I cannot get the HDMI output to work with 3 of my Samsung monitors. I can hook it up to my Samsung TV and its HDMI input and it works fine. The 2 receivers I lost also worked fine with them, so am I going crazy? anyone have come across this or have any suggestions? And, since this is a somewhat cheap unit but works, what is everyone out there using for receivers these days? without breaking the bank? I enjoy watching FTA TV, so I will invest more if needed, what is a really good, detailed unit these days. I'm so use to watching a few of them HD channels. Right now I'm down to composite hookups, yuck! Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank 
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Take the cover off, show me pics of the board of the bad one and also the bottom of the board. I'm an old hardware electronics tech plus a satellite dealer; I fixed a lot of FTA and regular receivers. I may be able to fix it for you. And yes, they got hit by lightning; it's best to email me the pics at diamondsatellite@snet.net or call me at 203-232-8888. I give you a 50-50 chance of fixing it; I do have spare parts. my phone is a fliptop phoneHello folks, well my luck ran out last week with a nasty thunderstorm and after 39 years here, finally took a hit. Now, the FTA receivers I had for some years worked great until now. Recently picked up a fairly cheap receiver, online, KOQIT and seems to be good, but for the life of me, I cannot get the HDMI output to work with 3 of my Samsung monitors. I can hook it up to my Samsung TV and its HDMI input and it works fine. The 2 receivers I lost also worked fine with them, so am I going crazy? anyone have come across this or have any suggestions? And, since this is a somewhat cheap unit but works, what is everyone out there using for receivers these days? without breaking the bank? I enjoy watching FTA TV, so I will invest more if needed, what is a really good, detailed unit these days. I'm so use to watching a few of them HD channels. Right now I'm down to composite hookups, yuck! Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank
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a good surge protector will help to.Hello folks, well my luck ran out last week with a nasty thunderstorm and after 39 years here, finally took a hit. Now, the FTA receivers I had for some years worked great until now. Recently picked up a fairly cheap receiver, online, KOQIT and seems to be good, but for the life of me, I cannot get the HDMI output to work with 3 of my Samsung monitors. I can hook it up to my Samsung TV and its HDMI input and it works fine. The 2 receivers I lost also worked fine with them, so am I going crazy? anyone have come across this or have any suggestions? And, since this is a somewhat cheap unit but works, what is everyone out there using for receivers these days? without breaking the bank? I enjoy watching FTA TV, so I will invest more if needed, what is a really good, detailed unit these days. I'm so use to watching a few of them HD channels. Right now I'm down to composite hookups, yuck! Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank
Seems like I remember that now, with my V9 I manually entered anyway on 105, easier for me to pick the channel later
IS Amiko MIRA 3 any good ???
Can you recommend the best to cover all bases. NO BEEPS on certain channels 101w (NEWSMAX ,NEWS NATION), a clock that keeps working STEADY for timed recording ,solid unit with good lifespan. My Amiko died AND my Linkbox has NO Favorites Button and BEEPS on many channels. Picking up 105 west with a NEW SHED IN THE Way with 6 foot Cband ..95 percent quality ...unbelievable.
Can you recommend the best to cover all bases. NO BEEPS on certain channels 101w (NEWSMAX ,NEWS NATION), a clock that keeps working STEADY for timed recording ,solid unit with good lifespan. My Amiko died AND my Linkbox has NO Favorites Button and BEEPS on many channels. Picking up 105 west with a NEW SHED IN THE Way with 6 foot Cband ..95 percent quality ...unbelievable.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Once the 24 gets here, there won't be anymore Conference Championships .... or so they say.
Oh what the hell, we really don't need Conferences anymore either ...
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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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