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JCL333

Last reply Mar 30, 2009 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Looking for advise on Dish network for Condo building

Hello,

I am the handyman at a 4-story, 7-unit Condo building near Boston and I am looking into getting Dish Network setup for some of the residents, including myself, there are 4 units interested in this. I have had Dish Network before about 4 years ago and I installed it myself. I had one DishPro 500 / DP34 switch and I used a 30" Wineguard to get a nice strong 61.5 signal. We control the condo association so there is no problem there, the main thing is we all agree that setting up one set of dishes that we can all use is much better than putting 8-10 dishes up and down the side of our building, and our neighbors will probably appreciate that too. We have a flat roof and no obstructions so no problem there.

So basically I am looking for some recommendations. I have been trying to read up on the new dish equipment such as the 1000.4 and new Mpeg4 equipment, looks like all good stuff. The parts I have to figure out are how to feed the signals to the number of receivers I will need. I see that I can chain up to six DP44 switches together to feed up to 24 dual-tuner receivers. So, here are some of my questions as concerns:

* All the units are pre-wired from the utility room on the first floor with just one cable that has one Cat5e network and one quad-shielded RG6, so unfortunately I may have a problem for anyone (like myself) who wants a receiver in more than one room. Also, considering cable distance limits, it probably does not make sense to run as many as 24 cables down the side of the building to the utility room only to go back up the building again through the in-wall feeds. So it looks like I will have to run some separate wires down the side of the building in that case, does anyone know of a way around this? Is there any way to run multiple (possibly two-tuner) receivers using a single RG6 line to each unit? I don't see any unit having more than three receivers, three tops, but they would likely all be HD.

* What do people think about using several single 30" dishes (an array of 4 of them for 4 sat locations) instead of these multi-satellite dishes? When you use a multi-sat dish you are sacrificing a small amount of signal to be able to do that. I found that 30" dishes give you a big advantage "powering through" even the worst snowstorm with more than max signal strength. I am considering this because once installed I don't want to be going up on the roof to fiddle with them, and I certainly don't wall everyone to lose their signal or experience drop-outs in heavy rain or snow. Thoughts?

* I am in a good location for OTA signal, so I want to include an antenna and distribute that signal around. All of my stations are located in a 180-degree arc from my location. Anyone have any experience with some of these omni-directional antennas? I don't think having a moving directional antenna would be practical for this case. I am going to try and avoid using diplexers as I have heard that you can lose a huge amount of your signal strength with them. So likely I will run separate cables for that.

If anyone can recommend a particular online place that would both sell equipment and offer installation design advice for a case like this, I would appreciate it. I see the sponsors of this site and I will check through those, but if people know of one in particular that would be helpful in this case, that would be great.

Thanks

-JCL333

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CowboyDren

Mar 27, 2009

You really need a Dish MRU setup, but these could be cost prohibitive.

If you were willing to settle for "1.5 tuners per unit," a 722[K] in each unit can feed one HD and one SD TV per unit from a single feed line from the utility room. Topology would be easy enough; a single 1000.2 or 1000.4 dish on the roof or side of the building, with three RG6 feeds down to the utility room into a DPP44 multiswitch, which can cascade to other multiswitches. The single RG6-QS running to each unit would go from one '44 output port to a 722 in the living room, each 722 has a separator (to feed the dual tuners), and the TV2 output on the 722 could go to the master bedroom. An improvement on this would be to have THREE aftermarket 30-40" dishes, each with a DP Twin LNBF pointed at 110/119/129 or 61.5/72/77, or even 61.5/110/119. There's no difference in cabling, just dish mounting.

This suits a lot of needs, but not everyone. The major caveat is that there's no room for expansion; one DVR per unit, indefinitely. The secondary caveat to this is that at 10PM, you have up to 7 people trying to use their UHF Pro remotes to control 7 different DVRs. You'd have to make a gentlemen's rule that the unit number corresponds to the UHF remote address, and someone (like you) would be responsible for compliance and programming the 722s and remotes. Not really a big deal.

The OTA part is stickier. Using TVFool.com, can you post the PNG image of your radar plot post-transition? If you're close to the towers, there's no reason that you couldn't use an Omni antenna, a distribution amplifier, another 1*8 splitter, and a big bag of diplexers to insert OTA signals into the to-unit RG6. Unfortunately, there's nothing like the old school Dish-compatible multiswitches that could do it for you. Each output of the multiswitch that feeds a unit would need a 3" extension cable, a feed from the 1*8 OTA splitter, into a diplexer, and then up to the unit. In each unit, you'd get the RG6-QS out of the wall, into a diplexer to split the signals, into the separator, and into the 722. It'd be ugly as sin, but it should work just fine. Instead of 3*RG6 cables from the roof to the utility room, you'd need 4, which handily comes on spools, all four conductors bonded together.

Once the network is laid, though, everyone in the building has access to at least OTA HD, and if they get a Dish account, you just go down to the utility room, and move the to-unit RG6 from the antenna splitter to the multiswitch. If you do 61.5/110/119 (1000.2 + 30" 61.5 wing dish), your tennants could even buy their own gear from Radio Shack. The 322s and 625s that Radio Shack sells won't work in the pure MPEG-4 Eastern Arc service.

JCL333

Mar 27, 2009

First let me say you guys rock! This is some great info....

CowboyDren said:
You really need a Dish MRU setup, but these could be cost prohibitive.

Yeah, I am looking into this. I see some systems that are not too bad, but they are for Direct TV. Don't see anything that says they can work for Dish also.

If you were willing to settle for "1.5 tuners per unit," a 722[K] in each unit can feed one HD and one SD TV per unit from a single feed line from the utility room. Topology would be easy enough; a single 1000.2 or 1000.4 dish on the roof or side of the building, with three RG6 feeds down to the utility room into a DPP44 multiswitch, which can cascade to other multiswitches.

OK, I am with you so far, but I thought the DPP44 switch had to be as close to the dish as possible, like 10' or so. In this arrangement it would be like 75' because it is a 4 story building.

The single RG6-QS running to each unit would go from one '44 output port to a 722 in the living room, each 722 has a separator (to feed the dual tuners), and the TV2 output on the 722 could go to the master bedroom. An improvement on this would be to have THREE aftermarket 30-40" dishes, each with a DP Twin LNBF pointed at 110/119/129 or 61.5/72/77, or even 61.5/110/119. There's no difference in cabling, just dish mounting.

OK, well that confirms my question about the individual dishes, it is the way to go. I have to say though, I am totally confused as to which orbital positions I need for all programming. I understand the first two, but when you start mixing and matching....can you do that? My setup years ago I think was 110/119/61.5.

This suits a lot of needs, but not everyone. The major caveat is that there's no room for expansion; one DVR per unit, indefinitely. The secondary caveat to this is that at 10PM, you have up to 7 people trying to use their UHF Pro remotes to control 7 different DVRs. You'd have to make a gentlemen's rule that the unit number corresponds to the UHF remote address, and someone (like you) would be responsible for compliance and programming the 722s and remotes. Not really a big deal.

Oh OK, good tip on that. You are right, easily worked out. Fortunately we have metal and concrete between floors.

The OTA part is stickier. Using TVFool.com, can you post the PNG image of your radar plot post-transition? If you're close to the towers, there's no reason that you couldn't use an Omni antenna, a distribution amplifier, another 1*8 splitter, and a big bag of diplexers to insert OTA signals into the to-unit RG6.

Hey, great website. Here you go.

I am wondering if I could use more than one directional antenna and combine the signal... don't know if that would work.

Unfortunately, there's nothing like the old school Dish-compatible multiswitches that could do it for you. Each output of the multiswitch that feeds a unit would need a 3" extension cable, a feed from the 1*8 OTA splitter, into a diplexer, and then up to the unit. In each unit, you'd get the RG6-QS out of the wall, into a diplexer to split the signals, into the separator, and into the 722. It'd be ugly as sin, but it should work just fine. Instead of 3*RG6 cables from the roof to the utility room, you'd need 4, which handily comes on spools, all four conductors bonded together.

Yeah, this much I got. Mainly I am wondering how much of the signal you lose after running it through all of that? You would think there would be nothing left.

Once the network is laid, though, everyone in the building has access to at least OTA HD, and if they get a Dish account, you just go down to the utility room, and move the to-unit RG6 from the antenna splitter to the multiswitch. If you do 61.5/110/119 (1000.2 + 30" 61.5 wing dish), your tennants could even buy their own gear from Radio Shack. The 322s and 625s that Radio Shack sells won't work in the pure MPEG-4 Eastern Arc service.

Well, since I am starting all new, I would think I would want to start with all MPEG4 equipment right?

Thanks again

-JCL

Awohar

Mar 29, 2009

If just one wire to each unit is all you can get, then do this:

put one satellite receiver in the unit and additional satellite receivers in the maintenance closet and backfeed the remote antenna up to the individual units themselves. If you use only 722 or 222 receivers in the maintenance closet, you can modulate tv1 and tv2 output channels on the receiver directly. maintenance closet receivers won't be hd up to the units themselves.

here is example for use remote antenna backfeed...

backfeed

PBX_Guy

Mar 29, 2009

JCL333 said:
First let me say you guys rock! This is some great info....

-JCL

Faced with your situation, with all due consideration for aesthetics & minimal cables runs, minimal rooftop hardware, as well as containing costs, I might be very tempted to consider the competitor's offering. Their single-wire multiswitch works well and is comparatively dirt cheap for up to 8 drops (8 total tuners). Bear in mind that each DVR would consume 2 of those 8 and the maximum (without buying expensive MDU hardware) is 8, period. For more info search the competitor's discussion threads for the term "SWM"

CowboyDren

Mar 29, 2009

Awohar said:
here is example for use remote antenna backfeed...

backfeed

Great example of the raw, unbridled flexibility of Dish hardware, but that configuration allows for 0 HDTV sets and doesn't allow the tenants to hard reboot their 722s manually when something goes wrong...which it often does.

PBX_Guy said:
[D*'s] single-wire multiswitch works well and is comparatively dirt cheap for up to 8 drops (8 total tuners). Bear in mind that each DVR would consume 2 of those 8 and the maximum (without buying expensive MDU hardware) is 8, period. For more info search the competitor's discussion threads for the term "SWM"

Again, Dish hardware allows you to do more "stuff" with one "box" than anything else on the commercial market. If you had four tenants who wanted DVRs, and each of them only had one HDTV or didn't mind the SDTV mirroring the HDTV's picture, this would be fine. But we're talking about twice that number of tenants who may want to be able to watch two different programs at the same time.

Not picking a fight with anyone, just pointing out options. When you start talking about real MRU gear, with real MRU cost and real MRU service, the tables probably get reset again.

Awohar

Mar 29, 2009

7 condos with 3 dvr each and thats 21 total tuners. that only mean 3 swm dishes on roof, not bad.

for dish, my example was put 1 receiver in actual unit so customer have hd on 1 tv. additional outlets are fed by receivers in telecom closet.

does this building not have any chases in the internal walls for stink pipes and such that might allow for additional receivers in the units themselves...even if they are put in a closet for direct owner control.

JCL333

Mar 30, 2009

OK, once again, this is some great info!

I really like the suggestion from PBX_Guy, I was not aware of the SWM hardware available from DTV. This suggestion is even better than you may or may not be aware of----this also references Awohar's comment, check it out:

DirecTV SWM8 - Single Wire Multiswitch - $159 Including Power Inserter - Free Shipping

This allows you to double the number to 16 tuners with their hardware. But, there is another thing to consider here. If I am going with the separate individual dishes idea, and each of them has two outputs, then I could already feed two of these SWM switches. Or two of the above devices for 32 tuners, etc. etc. This while only increasing my cable runs down the side of the building by 1 for every 8 tuners. And each tenant can essentially have as many tuners as they want. This solution even incorporates OTA as well.

I have no particular loyalty or preference for DTV or Dish. I see the discussions on this topic go on and on. Looks like Dish has better consumer hardware, and is a little cheaper on packages. DTV appears to be better on customer service. And as of this find, appears to have much better MRU gear for the price.

Aside from that, I am expecting most tenants to want at least 1 HD DVR and generally not more than two receivers total. Me personally, my wife is Japanese and wants TV Japan which is only on Dish. So unless I can find better MRU gear for Dish, I might get one little dish JUST for her to get TV Japan and do everything else with DTV.

As far as antenna's go for OTA stuff. I am just wondering how much of an advantage it will be directional vs. not directional. Seem like even a directional antenna will probably get everything in the green zone without moving it... so that would only be for getting the distant channels in the other zones. But to be fair, I don't really know what programming is on all of these channels, I think I would sort of have to discover it. There is a ton of useless stuff on OTA. The problem with distant channels and a directional of course is, if I am feeding an MRU system, who gets to point the antenna where? ;-) Aside from that, I am going on the roof anyways and antennas are cheap. Why not take advantage of free HD programming?

-JCL

IIP

Mar 30, 2009

Just to be clear, a SWM8 only feeds 8 tuners, and you must use a legacy (non-SWM-LNB) dish to feed it. However, you can use a single dish to feed multiple SWM8 switches (I'd limit it to 4 without extra signal amplification). You simply use sat-rated (5-2,250 MHz-rated) power-passing splitters and split the 4 lines coming from the dish. Make sure that when you split a line that all lines coming from that splitter go into the same port on each SWM.

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reubenray

Last reply 22 minutes ago · posted in Computers and Gadgets

New Laptop?

After having continuing trouble with my eight+ year old Dell Inspiron laptop I am looking to hopefully catch a good deal on new one. My options to buy is Costco and Sam's Club. It seems like a lot of new laptops are 2 in 1 which I do not need. I use the laptop to mainly surf the web and keep up with my finances, money and bills. I would like to have at least a 15" screen and having a touchscreen is a plus. The keyboard would need to lighted also. I don't game any. It would have to be Windows instead of and not Mac. The brands I see the most are Asus, Dell and HP. My two last laptops has been Dell's. Of these brands are there any standouts over the other brands. My budget (hopefully) is $600+-. Also while researching I noticed that do not have ethernet ports.

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jsmit86

Today at 8:51 AM

reubenray said:
After having continuing trouble with my eight+ year old Dell Inspiron laptop I am looking to hopefully catch a good deal on new one. My options to buy is Costco and Sam's Club. It seems like a lot of new laptops are 2 in 1 which I do not need. I use the laptop to mainly surf the web and keep up with my finances, money and bills. I would like to have at least a 15" screen and having a touchscreen is a plus. The keyboard would need to lighted also. I don't game any. It would have to be Windows instead of and not Mac. The brands I see the most are Asus, Dell and HP. My two last laptops has been Dell's. Of these brands are there any standouts over the other brands. My budget (hopefully) is $600+-. Also while researching I noticed that do not have ethernet ports.

Instead of ethernet ports, there are ethernet to USB adapters. Usually around $20-$30 depending on speed needed. 1gb are very inexpensive. 2.5gb are a bit more.

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reubenray

22 minutes ago

jsmit86 said:
Instead of ethernet ports, there are ethernet to USB adapters. Usually around $20-$30 depending on speed needed. 1gb are very inexpensive. 2.5gb are a bit more.

Now that you mentioned that I may have one of these already.

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mheisen

Last reply 52 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Hopper 3 with Hopper plus internet connection problems

Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

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Almighty1

Thursday at 2:50 PM

mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?

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mheisen

Thursday at 6:11 PM

Almighty1 said:
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?

I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.

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Almighty1

Thursday at 6:33 PM

mheisen said:
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.

Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.

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slow_poke_pete

Friday at 3:38 AM

Almighty1 said:
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.

Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713

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slow_poke_pete

Friday at 3:43 AM

mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!

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Almighty1

Friday at 3:30 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713

I have a Hopper Plus and no issues either. charlesrshell has both a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and one without, he doesn't have the same issue. Before blaming it on the Hopper Plus, he should see if the problem still exists without the Hopper Plus connected as it could be the Internet connection itself or some setting in the router itself. There is someone in another thread who has EHD issues on the Hopper 3 only setup but does not have the EHD issues on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and he has already tried swapping the EHD and it did not make a difference so like the saying, YMMV.

https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/th...cognize-ehd-is-connected-after-reboot.423971/

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Almighty1

Friday at 3:34 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!

The Roku costs $$$, Hopper Plus is free. That may not be the only costs as it depends if the TV in question still has available HDMI ports and if not, it will require a HDMI switch and HDMI cable which adds more to the cost.

I have a LG 3D OLED Smart TV and I still need either of them because it does not have Android TV built in. Add a Hopper Plus and see if you actually have issues or not as until you actually tried it, it means nothing.

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jsmit86

52 minutes ago

If the OP has a router and a managed switch, that could be the problem.
I have a Hopper 3 and 5 Joey 4s. I recently updated my Router, Switch and access points with Ubiquiti UniFi gear. I had an issue where the switch interpreted the communication between the hopper internet connection and one of the Joeys as a data loop. I had to change some settings in the switch to re-enable that port. Your router could possibly be doing the same thing blocking the connection.

If your router has a malware connection setting, try disabling it temporarily, and see if the internet comes back. Contact your ISP and see if there is a block happening at the router or switch level, or via the ISP's threat protection.

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ewindowman

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Last reply Today at 5:36 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th

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ewindowman

Jun 30, 2026

Correct me if I'm wrong but Dish borrowed lots of money to start a wireless company that was most likely doomed from the beginning. They bought spectrum at any cost to acquire enough bandwidth to achieve their goal. They signed leases and bought equipment and borrowed more money. They held onto the spectrum as long as possible. They then sold most of it to different companies and made a lot of money. Then they started to screw the companies that were installing and leasing the equipment and cell towers. Now they are going to claim bankruptcy under the Dish Network part of Echo Star while they have billions of dollars. So Dish basically took everyone's money that was involved in the financial part of this transaction made a huge profit is screwing everyone over from the banks to the little guy working on the towers and infrastructure.

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Bruce

Yesterday at 7:11 AM

News about the tower's dispute-

Towercos now own Dish's 5G radios – and SpaceX might be a buyer

Tower companies now own Dish's deserted 5G gear, says American Tower CEO Steven Vondran. This could feed into SpaceX's mobile ambitions, analysts say.

www.lightreading.com

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 9:50 AM

Bruce said:
News about the tower's dispute-

Towercos now own Dish's 5G radios – and SpaceX might be a buyer

Tower companies now own Dish's deserted 5G gear, says American Tower CEO Steven Vondran. This could feed into SpaceX's mobile ambitions, analysts say.

www.lightreading.com

So does this mean the churches and businesses that Dish owes back payments to are going to get paid now?

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navychop

Yesterday at 10:53 AM

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nelson61

Yesterday at 1:01 PM

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They note that the Dish Wireless radios at issue support the 2GHz and 800MHz spectrum SpaceX is acquiring from EchoStar and Grain.

"Buying compatible equipment already installed on towers could give SpaceX a head start on its wireless terrestrial network build and throw a big bucket of cold water on Verizon's four-to-six-year timeline and $300-$500 billion estimate for SpaceX's buildout," said the analysts."

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:40 PM

ewindowman said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but Dish borrowed lots of money to start a wireless company that was most likely doomed from the beginning. They bought spectrum at any cost to acquire enough bandwidth to achieve their goal. They signed leases and bought equipment and borrowed more money. They held onto the spectrum as long as possible. They then sold most of it to different companies and made a lot of money. Then they started to screw the companies that were installing and leasing the equipment and cell towers. Now they are going to claim bankruptcy under the Dish Network part of Echo Star while they have billions of dollars. So Dish basically took everyone's money that was involved in the financial part of this transaction made a huge profit is screwing everyone over from the banks to the little guy working on the towers and infrastructure.

i heard charlie went to dubai begging for money. but he didn't get none... that should have raised red flags.

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reubenray

Today at 5:36 AM

nelson61 said:
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They note that the Dish Wireless radios at issue support the 2GHz and 800MHz spectrum SpaceX is acquiring from EchoStar and Grain.

"Buying compatible equipment already installed on towers could give SpaceX a head start on its wireless terrestrial network build and throw a big bucket of cold water on Verizon's four-to-six-year timeline and $300-$500 billion estimate for SpaceX's buildout," said the analysts."

Back when Dish was installing antennas everywhere for their internet service I mapped several of the tower locations around me. One is less than a mile away from me and several more about three miles away in several different directions. If SpaceX does something with these I may be in a prime spot.

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 5:32 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

$6.3 billion in crypto stolen by hackers

This should hit a lot of folks with a dose of reality. I can only imagine how much more common this will get as AI progresses.

I read several stories on this and most are clear as mud. They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole. I guess time will tell if either of these statements are actually true.

Hackers steal $6.3 billion from Binance in biggest-ever cryptocurrency theft

The company later added it began recovering assets impacted by the breach after pledging to cover losses using its Secure Asset Fund for Users.

www.cnbc.com

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Juan

Yesterday at 10:39 PM

Where would you spend 6.3 billion in crypto without anyone noticing?..In today's digital world most countries are watching purchases over 10k

dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:55 PM

Juan said:
Where would you spend 6.3 billion in crypto without anyone noticing?

They say it was North Korea so they'll probably just use it to buy things they need....oil, food, etc from nations and entities who don't care where the money comes from and since it is BTC...it can be spent anywhere with no blowback.

Juan

Yesterday at 11:24 PM

dishstaller said:
They say it was North Korea so they'll probably just use it to buy things they need....oil, food, etc from nations and entities who don't care where the money comes from and since it is BTC...it can be spent anywhere with no blowback.

Someone using AI would be able to see the purchase...plus if you were to buy a couple billion barrels of oil or any other commodity..someone would notice..or if you bought your own country

telstar_1

Yesterday at 11:38 PM

How does it have such billions simply "on hand" to replace stolen billions?

harshness

Today at 1:54 AM

telstar_1 said:
How does it have such billions simply "on hand" to replace stolen billions?

You "print" it, of course. That's part of the magic of cryptocurrency.

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meStevo

Today at 2:40 AM

dishstaller said:
They say it was North Korea so they'll probably just use it to buy things they need....oil, food, etc from nations and entities who don't care where the money comes from and since it is BTC...it can be spent anywhere with no blowback.

North Korea can't pay for oil with BTC. The money has to be laundered and cashed out first. Analytics firms can trace it on the public blockchain, and exchanges (including Binance) have frozen money traced back to prior hacks when it showed up. Much of it may still gets through eventually. It's just slow and lossy, not "spend anywhere."

Juan said:
Someone using AI would be able to see the purchase...plus if you were to buy a couple billion barrels of oil or any other commodity..someone would notice..or if you bought your own country

It can be traced, the rest of this is pretty much your usual nonsense though.

telstar_1 said:
How does it have such billions simply "on hand" to replace stolen billions?

Binance has had an insurance fund since 2018, funded by 10% of trading fees. It's around $1.2B, and Binance says it'll cover the rest from company money. As the world's largest exchange, it makes a lot in fees. On top of that, the ~$3B in frozen stablecoins can be reissued by Tether/Circle, so the actual hole is smaller than the headline.

harshness said:
You "print" it, of course. That's part of the magic of cryptocurrency.

Nobody can print bitcoin, Binance included. Supply is fixed by the protocol. The only thing in this story that can be frozen and reissued is stablecoins, because they have a company behind them.

reubenray

Today at 5:32 AM

dishstaller said:
They say it was North Korea so they'll probably just use it to buy things they need....oil, food, etc from nations and entities who don't care where the money comes from and since it is BTC...it can be spent anywhere with no blowback.

HA! That short/fat Dictator will buy more arms. He does not care about the people.

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 5:17 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 9:01 PM

Lonely Wind - Kansas

dishstaller

Yesterday at 9:22 PM

Lonely is the Night - Billy Squier

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Yesterday at 11:57 PM

Tender Is The Night - Jackson Browne

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Today at 1:39 AM

THE NIGHT Chicago Died-Paper Lace

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Today at 5:17 AM

(I Just) Died In Your Arms - Cutting Crew

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Former member 209992

Last reply Yesterday at 11:36 PM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Foxbat

Oct 22, 2026

A.I. - Be careful what you wish for…

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telstar_1

Thursday at 8:06 PM

6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.

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Scott Greczkowski

Thursday at 8:10 PM

telstar_1 said:
6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.

Yeah... that was me...

I did another security update and it required me to reboot the server.

I also did a patch for something else and accidently put two ;'s in the config file so when the server rebooted it wouldn't restart a service because of the extra ; in the config file.

And of course as I did it my step dad called me slowing me down in figuring it out.

That was a Scott mistake. Sorry about that.

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navychop

Thursday at 9:27 PM

OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

Aww- nevermind.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:36 PM

been blazing fast here

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Yesterday at 11:33 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Monday at 3:04 PM

You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

Jimbo

Monday at 9:19 PM

Yespage said:
You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

No, I was actually referring to outside of the Top 8, but should have been Top 12 ...

I guess I should have looked at the bracket from last year first ...

I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

Ronnie-

Tuesday at 7:24 AM

Jimbo said:
I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.

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Jimbo

Tuesday at 8:20 AM

Ronnie- said:
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.

Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time ....however .
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

They are trying to make this Basketball and its a far cry from the way that is played.

How long till they go to 32 teams ? Then they will say, well, the NFL is 32 teams, we can make more money that way .... except the NFL is 32 teams, that are a set number of teams and divisions, you don't have that in College ... oh but they will try.

They would have to choose what teams they would want in and thats it.
Hopefully that NEVER happens.

I can see the NCAA going away and the CFP taking that portion over and a Collective Bargaining agreement coming in the not to distant future.

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Ronnie-

Wednesday at 7:26 PM

Jimbo said:
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time

Yes. As shown in a few posts now.

Jimbo said:
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

.

But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.

I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.

With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.

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Jimbo

Wednesday at 11:10 PM

Ronnie- said:
Yes. As shown in a few posts now.

But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.

I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.

With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.

No, no ... if you want to make the playoffs, you want to Win it ... If you want to Win it, you need to Win 4-5 games in a row against Top 10 teams for the most part, theres a Possibility you'd play someone out side of the Top 10, but not much.

The Playoffs is a 4-5 game Win or Go Home.

osu1991

Friday at 3:01 PM

View: https://youtu.be/uRgnlk9Sj8M?is=z_Y_NZD5B4bCEwod

osu1991

Yesterday at 11:05 PM

..I hate playing in Ames.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:33 PM

osu1991 said:
..I hate playing in Ames.

I hate playing in LA ... :oldmad

Buckeyes had 2 weeks off and came out and looked absolutely terrible ... broke in a new Freshman Qb, but that wasn't the worst part ... undiscipline play, at last count they had 10 penalties.
Freshman in the end of the game trying to play catch up, had a lot of Over throws ... Bucks lose ...

#1 Miami struggled but pulled away in the end beating North Carolina by 3 ...

Tuesday the CFP brings out thier Playoff Top 12 again ... Buckeyes should drop from #2 to about #22 (they won't) had they had thier Starting QB, it would have been a different game ...

They could lose the rest of thier games at this point.

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osu1991

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 9:16 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

USA Healthcare Costs are Ridiculous

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.

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vazhog

Friday at 4:05 PM

that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

harshness

Yesterday at 2:37 AM

vazhog said:
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

That's not who it is for. The cut is for those who won't work (though you typically had to prove that you couldn't work to get it in the first place).

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 12:33 PM

Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."

osu1991

Yesterday at 2:41 PM

Foxbat said:
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."

I didn't start it as a political statement and have no interest in the political BS of this country. Everyone wants to make everything political nowadays. This was just my rant over the outrageous increase in my premiums and how unaffordable healthcare is becoming to the average person here.

admin can close or delete it if they don't want here.

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Bobby

Yesterday at 2:44 PM

Foxbat said:
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."

There are no dues to be paid to be in the Pit. You just have to use the password which is clearly shown when you try to log in to it.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 8:23 PM

osu1991 said:
Everyone wants to make everything political nowadays.

Yes.....they do. Which is why I am very careful when at a customer's house these days....you NEVER know what is going to set someone off. Polite dialog is a thing of the past.....which is why I like my dog so much

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dishdude

Yesterday at 8:26 PM

harshness said:
That's not who it is for. The cut is for those who won't work (though you typically had to prove that you couldn't work to get it in the first place).

Which makes zero sense. If they are healthy and able to work but won't, they aren't using any health resources up.

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navychop

Yesterday at 9:07 PM

Until a runaway pickle truck hits them.

dishdude

Yesterday at 9:16 PM

navychop said:
Until a runaway pickle truck hits them.

I'm sure Vlasic has good insurance!

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Yesterday at 7:54 PM · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio

SiriusXM announces 25 Holiday Channels for 2026

Some of the channels start next week.

SiriusXM Delivers the Soundtrack to the Holidays with Its Festive Lineup of 25 Handcrafted Seasonal Music Channels

Lineup features channels produced and presented by celebrated personalities and iconic brands, including Jimmy Fallon, Hallmark,…...

investor.siriusxm.com

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comfortably_numb

Wednesday at 10:59 AM

My favorite is probably Holiday Pops.

TRG

Wednesday at 11:04 AM

It's not even Halloween yet.

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Scott Greczkowski

Wednesday at 11:31 AM

I like the Jimmy Fallon channel. This will be its third year. I like that it's all fresh each year. Also fun when he pops on live from time to time.

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Don in CT

Yesterday at 7:54 PM

comfortably_numb said:
My favorite is probably Holiday Pops.

So it's a drunk father telling his in-laws to leave.

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 7:38 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Claude's site is still up and running. New link required

I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!

satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

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dishstaller

Friday at 5:34 PM

If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.

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Scott Greczkowski

Friday at 8:29 PM

dishstaller said:
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!

satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!

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Scott Greczkowski

Friday at 8:31 PM

Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working.

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(((Garyd)))

Yesterday at 1:05 PM

dishstaller said:
If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.

Your old link triggered my Bitdefender today.

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(((Garyd)))

Yesterday at 6:18 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!

I had a direct link to ]Political, thought provoking and debatable but now have to go in the main section or I get a warning on my Bitdefender

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 7:09 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!

I sent you a PM Scott. Doesn't really make any sense to me BUT....I've never claimed to be the sharpest knife in the drawer....though I just might be the most persistent. :baby

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 7:38 PM

dishstaller said:
I sent you a PM Scott. Doesn't really make any sense to me BUT....I've never claimed to be the sharpest knife in the drawer....though I just might be the most persistent.

Its an automated bot. Explained it to you in the PM.

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