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Techfizzle
Last reply · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

High-Def Analog Cband

i was scanning around yesterday with my big useful dish and hit a channel, it was crystal clear, i almost thought it was hd

then it went to a test patern and said something -HD FEED

to comply with forum rules, I am not posting the details of where this is, thats for me to know and you to find out.

i took it on a digital camera, so its not the greatest, you would have to see it to get all of its glory

also i wanted to ask, how many news companys still use analog for back-huals? i saw alot yesterday and thought they all went digital and fiber-optic

then that leads me to my last question, is there ever any hd analog feeds? and can they be picked up on a analog set?

also what causes the picture to have a little static to it, no sparkies, but like a tv channel of rabbit ears

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tvropro
SD Analog backhauls always had beautiful picture quality. Digital SD with a high enough bitrate will look very nice. Once digital gets in the hands of the cram 10lbs of s**t in a 5 pound bag it's all over for quality.
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tvropro said:
SD Analog backhauls always had beautiful picture quality.
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agreed

I remember a couple years ago seeing a KU analog feed of a FB game. The grass was nice and bright green (not a off puke green because of compression)
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Digital vs Analog, this well beaten horse returns for another round. Everyone has an opinion on the subject. I cant speak to anything S2, but I have seen no DVB or ATSC based SD that can compare to the clairity and 'sharpness' of analog. (before anyone asks, 55" Hitachi RPTV) Digital is fickle, and unlike analog, is extremely prone to going lego-vision due to any one of a number of real world application shortcommings. From what I've been able to gather, the Messia HD format aka S2, is half again (or more) as fickle as DVB-S. I much prefer snow and sparkle on a fading (yet completely viewable) signal to freezing, pix'ing and fastmotion macroblocking.

Regarding analog HD, and it's murder in it's infancy, here is an excerpt on the subject from this site.
http://www.precisenetworking.com/~mcgatney/hdtv.html
NTSC is the set of standards for the OLD ANALOG TV broadcasts. The black and white NTSC Standards were based on a format finalized in March 1941 by the National Television System Committee... hence, NTSC. (Their standards were approved by the FCC in May 1941. The committee met again in the early 1950's to develop a set of standards for compatible analog color TV.) The NTSC system is the one scheduled to be withdrawn fully from broadcast use by full-power TV stations in the US in June 2009.

HDTV broadcasting was introduced in Japan with the "MUSE" system, an analog system using compression. In the US in the 1980's, both CBS and RCA developed analog HDTV systems that were compatible with existing NTSC TV sets. But the TV industry made the decision to leapfrog over analog and develop digital television. One reason was to stimulate television manufacturing in the United States. A "Grand Alliance" was formed within the television industry to agree upon a standard and to promote HDTV. The TV industry then lobbied Congress and the FCC for legislation and rules to foster HDTV, supposedly for the benefit of broadcasters and set manufactures.
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This webpage is a long but very informative read of mostly OTA digital vs analog, govt/industry unpreparadness and related issues, but does get into some of the technical aspects of DVB and cable modulation techniques and differences near the end.
I am amused at the authors writing style. She has a unique sense of presentation and sarcasm that lends well to the subject.
Virtually anyone that enjoys this hobby that took the time to read it thoroughly would likely find it an interesting read as well.
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melgarga said:
I much prefer snow and sparkle on a fading (yet completely viewable) signal to freezing, pix'ing and fastmotion macroblocking.
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I have to agree. When I first got into digital it took me a long time to adjust. To this day when Im watching anything less than a digital master I can see the digital over compression characteristics.

The over compression characteristics bugged me so much that I spent countless hours designing a circuit to help to reduce the macroblocking and mosquito noise to a level I can live with. Once information is lost you can never get the original back but with proper filtering and boosting of certain area's in the video signal you can clean it up and enhance it quite a bit. After many circuit revisions Im happy with the results and use it in line with my 4DTV's S video output.
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Iceberg said:
agreed

I remember a couple years ago seeing a KU analog feed of a FB game. The grass was nice and bright green (not a off puke green because of compression)
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That reminds me of a little box I have that was for reversing video and inserting syncs..... ie it would give you video on VCII channels. I'd use it on NFL sunday ticket (when they were on C-band), and I'd get audio off an internet radio feed (the audio was generally 2 plays behind the video).
But anyway, the sync insertion was critical to the color of the video, and I'd usually end up with blue grass, and players with green faces, and the yellow terrible towels were some disgusting color. It was kind of like watching some Star Trek futuristic NFL game with all the wierd colors.

Relative to analog quality, that could vary a lot too. The number of horizontal lines was pretty much fixed by the standard, but I think you could get more or less resolution along that horizontal line, depending upon the bandwidth used. Some analog feeds used relatively narrow bandwidth, such as to fit in half of a Ku transponder, etc, while other feeds used pretty much the whole transponder. That's why the higher end receivers had variable video bandwidth, so as to match the bandwidth of the signal.
The analog sat feeds were certainly capable of excellent video, but only if the receiver was capable of matching the bandwidth. I alway found it a constant fight trying to choose the proper audio/video parameters to give you quality video/audio. Despite compression, DVB is much more automatic. Except for the occasional low level dialog in AC3 audio, you dont have to fiddle with anything to get things near perfect.
One thing though... back with analog, the sat feeds were generally MUCH better (after fiddling) than the OTA broadcasts, I'm assuming because there was much higer resolution across the horizontal lines. However with the advent of digital, now, unless you go to one of those high bitrate network feeds, generally what you get OTA is superior to most of the stuff on satellite, such as the Dishnet/DTV stuff. Although, I guess the OTA quality depends upon how many other channels they try to squeeze into the signal. I'm lucky that they only put one HD, and one low speed SD on the channels around here, so the main HD signal is pretty good quality.
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Last reply · posted in Movie Talk

Godzilla Minus Zero


View: https://youtu.be/n-NDYWPXpKg?si=hcI4ueMkFCreZ8Qq
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dfergie said:

View: https://youtu.be/n-NDYWPXpKg?si=hcI4ueMkFCreZ8Qq
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Wait, didn't this one come out a few years ago? It was all in Japanese. It was also VERY good!

OK, looked it up, that was Godzilla Minus One
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primestar31 said:
Wait, didn't this one come out a few years ago? It was all in Japanese. It was also VERY good!

OK, looked it up, that was Godzilla Minus One
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At theaters, only in Japanese, on Disc and Netflix, available in English.
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New trailer has dropped:
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Looks good! I'm interested...
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Color blind man sees full colors for first time at age 66

Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


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Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


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That brought tears to my eyes.
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Bobby said:
That brought tears to my eyes.
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Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


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Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i5UCDwHMatg?feature=share
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This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.


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Volcanic Eruptions

Continuing the Kilauea thread in the Pub here. Perhaps the Iceland one too next time there's remarkable activity.

Currently there is precursory lava flowing into the crater, leading to the next episode that'll probably start within the next day.

You can see the pace of inflation / deflation here. It serves as the primary predictor for when the expect the eruptions, which coincide w/ inflation turning into significant deflation and last for several hours on average with significant fountaining.

www.usgs.gov

Monitoring Data for Kīlauea

For more information on how electronic tiltmeters and GPS receivers help monitor the deformation of Kīlauea volcano, see the HVO Deformation page.
www.usgs.gov www.usgs.gov


View: https://youtu.be/Uecu2seh4b4


Wife and I like the AfarTV feeds, for the discussion along w/ them, though they're otherwise just mirrors of the official USGS feeds.


View: https://youtu.be/iws3rh5vLAQ
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Looks like Episode 55 is over at 09:00 HST, just under six hours. The USGS said the fountains reached 720' or 220 meters.
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The USGS Kīlaeua Webcam #1 has been showing overflows and doming from the North vent overnight. Maybe the volcanic plumbing has settled back into its two-three week cycle of fountaining?

But I do miss the little cinder cone that broke up in the last episode.
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Foxbat
Sorry, I should have posted these earlier:

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We're still waiting on the start of Episode 56.
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At 08:01 HST 11/05/2026, the North Vent produced what I would call a "wet burp" after the precursory "pistoning" events, small amounts of lava pouring out of the vent for a few seconds to minutes and then everything recedes. There must have been a gas bubble holding thing back because two minutes later the lava started flowing out of the vent in all directions. Then, at 08:25, it stopped. What a tease! I thought this was how Episode 56 started.

About 12 minutes later at 08:38, the North vent once again started overflowing and picked up steam at 08:42. By 09:00, slight doming could be seen in the pool of lava in the vent. Surely this is it!

But, 09:50 and things wind down again. By 09:57 HST there's just fumes coming out of the vent. Phooey.

But then 10:00 comes and the heavy lava flows kick in again. This time seems like the real deal. At 10:30 HST there's little spurts of lava flying up in the air over the vent, but more from gas than a steady fountain of lava. This looks promising!

11:30 HST and the color of the lava is definitely hotter, and the intensity has picked up to a definite dome and precursor to fountaining. The USGS calls Episode 56 as officially starting at 12:10 HST:
Alert Level: WATCH, Color Code: ORANGE 2026-11-05 22:29:12 UTC
HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice

Volcano: Kilauea (VNUM #332010)

Current Volcano Alert Level: WATCH
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE

Issued: Thursday, November 5, 2026, 12:29 PM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Notice Number: 2026/H514
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawaii

Summary: Episode 56 of the ongoing Halemaʻumaʻu eruption began at 12:10 PM HST on November 5, 2026.

Volcanic Activity:
Episode 56 of lava fountaining in Halemaʻumaʻu began at the summit of Kīlauea began at 12:10 PM HST on November 5, 2026.

Lava fountain heights are relatively low at about 100 ft (30 meters), but will likely increase. Ground-level sensors near the eruptive vents indicate that winds are blowing from the northeast direction, which suggests that volcanic gas emissions and volcanic material may be distributed to the southwest direction from Halemaʻumaʻu.
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BlackHitachi
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Last & Next Movie Watched

Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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dfergie
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osu1991 said:

View: https://youtu.be/0-p9SIKs1K8?is=CXuDXVPi5oT6t_b0


Barbara Hershey :heartbeat
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Last of the Dogmen is my favorite of hers.
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Star Wars Despecialized Edition

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View: https://youtu.be/l3EMhIo1fVo?is=0sWWW9fevsF5tfSW


Small Soldiers (1998)
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Just watched Napoleon. Good night.....all of those young men dying for the egos of their leaders. Now we can kill at a distance, back then you saw the man you were killing eye to eye.
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comfortably_numb
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Philo now offers discounted annual plan

Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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comfortably_numb said:
Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
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Jimbo said:
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
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But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.
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Howard Simmons said:
But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.
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Sorry, my point was the expense.
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comfortably_numb
Jimbo said:
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
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Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.
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comfortably_numb said:
Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.
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I guess if it was something I used on a regular basis, I suppose.
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In other Philo news..

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comfortably_numb said:
In other Philo news..

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Rockford Files Reboot - NBC, Peacock

'Rockford Files' Reboot Gets NBC Pilot Order

I grow tired of all the reboots. Most I don't bother with but will depend on the actor chosen.
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Yeah, I'll check it out as well, but shan't be holding my breath...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...
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long_time_DNC said:
...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...
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I can think of a few actors (including some females) who might fit the bill.

This will all depend on the storyline. I'm not sure how well it will translate. Modern TV hasn't been all that kind to PIs and even less kind to CIs (confidential informants).
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Premier is Saturday, Jan 2nd. Moving to Thursday on the 7th.
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Teaser

View: https://youtu.be/g7R669yokr4?is=wv_qN0B-YOBxRt24
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I wonder how they're/if they're going to do something like the answering machine message opening? It was always funny...
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· posted in Movie Talk

The Man With The Bag (2026) Prime


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December 2, 2026
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Bad Day - Netflix


View: https://youtu.be/zHSYXDLH4io?si=ii_fgehv2a3rOBkA


Dec 11, 2026 Netflix
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MorCowbell
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Saved OTA list on Dish can't be appended

I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd​ scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list. :mad:

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
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I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
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dishstaller said:
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
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I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
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I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
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Like I said.....that has been many years ago. Swapped my 722K for a Hopper in 2012.

It does seem like I remember having to delete the existing channels when we did a rescan. Back then our local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in. Got so bad that I stopped selling OR installing OTAs....something I had been doing since 1984 so you know it HAD to be pretty bad.
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You made one of my points for me with this comment, Dishstaller:

"... local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in ..."
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dishstaller said:
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
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I remember that also on my 722.
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I remember that also on my 722.
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Thanks.....has been too many years to remember clearly.
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Keep in mind that the 722 had a built in OTA tuner and the 722K had a plug in module for OTA. The Hoppers and Wallys use an add on USB OTA dongle. I believe they are entirely different.
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My F-You To Sam Altman

Time for another AWESOME video from Linus Tech Tips!


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/spXuvLHTIs4


Direct YouTube Link - My F-You To Sam Altman
Linus on Facebook
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