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JohnH

Last reply May 13, 2009 · posted in The Dish Network Uplink Center (archive)

5/12/9 AM standin - 6 moves

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 05-12-2009 03:02:00 TO 05-12-2009 03:03:06 ET

6 MOVE(S) (May include other changes as well.)

MOVE 374 FTV MPEG4 HD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL
TO 374 FTV MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w AVAIL

MOVE 406 SETA MPEG2 SD 8PSK Tp 21 Rainbow 1 61.5w SPORT?
TO 406 SETA MPEG2 SD Tp 14 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT?

MOVE 5304 FTV MPEG4 HD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE
TO 5304 FTV MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w AVAIL HIDE

MOVE 9480 SHOTO MPEG4 HD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL MAP-C 320
TO 9480 SHOTO MPEG4 HD Tp 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL MAP-C 320

MOVE 9481 TMC-E MPEG4 HD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL MAP-C 327
TO 9481 TMC-E MPEG4 HD Tp 21 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL MAP-C 327

MOVE 9589 LTD9 MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE
TO 9589 LTD9 MPEG4 SD Tp 25 EchoStar 3 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE

6 CHANGE(S) 6561 CHANNELS IN THE SYSTEM

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Smith P.

May 12, 2009

Actually you'd seen some numbers, perhaps a mix of SS and SQ/BER; and it could go down by many reasons. To discover them you should start from real SS, then measure BER, etc

TheKrell

May 12, 2009

Smith said:
Actually you'd seen some numbers, perhaps a mix of SS and SQ/BER; and it could go down by many reasons. To discover them you should start from real SS, then measure BER, etc

Well of course to be sure we would have to do that. But... Going out on a limb based on 2 data points, I claim R1 TP23 is now in spotbeam mode. That's because spotbeam 12 for NO has TP23, and digiblur gets a good signal. I'm under spotbeam 4, which does not include TP23, hence I get half what everything else (but other spots for other areas than mine) reads. Probably I'm reading bleed from spotbeam 3 for NY.

Just for grins, I ran through all the transponders showing up on my 722 for 61.5. Other than the 4 zeros, and the known spotbeams for other areas, I get close to 50 for everything but TP23. My own spotbeams read 75.

I would be interested to learn what the SS is for R1TP23 in other areas of the country.

digiblur

May 13, 2009

TheKrell said:
Well of course to be sure we would have to do that. But... Going out on a limb based on 2 data points, I claim R1 TP23 is now in spotbeam mode. That's because spotbeam 12 for NO has TP23, and digiblur gets a good signal. I'm under spotbeam 4, which does not include TP23, hence I get half what everything else (but other spots for other areas than mine) reads. Probably I'm reading bleed from spotbeam 3 for NY.

Just for grins, I ran through all the transponders showing up on my 722 for 61.5. Other than the 4 zeros, and the known spotbeams for other areas, I get close to 50 for everything but TP23. My own spotbeams read 75.

I would be interested to learn what the SS is for R1TP23 in other areas of the country.

I doubt that TP 23 is running in spotbeam mode. The TID is still 123, which is a CONUS TID for 61.5. It also still has the video streams on it that were removed this morning. Which backs of the fact that it isn't in spotbeam mode. The beam in this area is fed from Jackson, MS and I know they wouldn't be feeding those video streams to Jackson. Comparing the signal from 22 and 23, 23 is a few points better.

One thing that is interesting, 17 used to be on in CONUS mode with no video streams. It will not lock now.

photoman76

May 13, 2009

The BLSA currently shows no signal on Transponder 17. I'm getting a SNR of 9.0 dB on Transponder 23. Other Transponders vary from a low of 8.4 dB on Transponder 30 to a high of 13.4 dB on Transponder 12. I'm in California, so I'm pretty sure Transponder 23 is still conus. I don't think there are any spot beams from 61.5 pointed at California.

TheKrell

May 13, 2009

digiblur said:
I doubt that TP 23 is running in spotbeam mode...One thing that is interesting, 17 used to be on in CONUS mode with no video streams. It will not lock now.

Well... (Yes I know, "deep subject.") Who knows what bizarre operating mode they are in while they transition? It's obvious that something is going on wrt 17, so why not 23 as well? And how else can you explain my anomalously low SS on 23, or why they bothered to move all available channels off 23?

photoman76 said:
I'm in California, so I'm pretty sure Transponder 23 is still conus. I don't think there are any spot beams from 61.5 pointed at California.

Where in CA? There are two spots in CA, E21 centered a bit W of San Francisco (P. Smith and you?) and including T23, and E22 centered a bit W of LA and lacking T23 as my spotbeam is. EKB: Spot Beam and Coverage Maps I hereby predict LA residents will see a much lower SS on T23 than you do, much like I do in northern VA.

Smith P.

May 13, 2009

Dish have a convention to number SB transponders by four digits; so while TID is 2 or 3 digits value, then it definitly CONUS.

TheKrell

May 13, 2009

photoman76 said:
The BLSA currently shows no signal on Transponder 17.

Last night I saw zero on my 722, but this morning I'm seeing 34. Hmmm.

Smith said:
Dish have a convention to number SB transponders by four digits; so while TID is 2 or 3 digits value, then it definitly CONUS.

I claim we've seen all manner of disjoint operations out of R1 when they are converting to spotbeam, including the temporary diversion of a CONUS uplink to the actual RF spotbeams.

digiblur said:
I can tell you I'm 99.9% sure it's not a regional spotbeam on 23 right now.

I think you're making the same assumption as P. Smith, namely that the same channels can't come out multiple spotbeams at once. I thought we had seen all this strangeness before. Conus spotbeam.

Very funny, but suppose the same signal were coming out all TP23 spotbeams. This would be very spotty indeed

considering TP23 isn't available for all R1 spotbeams.

photoman76

May 13, 2009

TheKrell said:
Where in CA? There are two spots in CA, E21 centered a bit W of San Francisco (P. Smith and you?) and including T23, and E22 centered a bit W of LA and lacking T23 as my spotbeam is. EKB: Spot Beam and Coverage Maps I hereby predict LA residents will see a much lower SS on T23 than you do, much like I do in northern VA.

Thanks for the spotbeam map info. I'd be under the SF Spot if it was in use. I'm getting no signal on Transponders 1, 3, 7, 15, and 17.

digiblur

May 13, 2009

That map isn't entirely accurate anymore. As the current use has less uplink facilities than needed to obtain the full use of the spotbeams. In some cases they used one uplink beam and split it across 2 downlink beams, basically rendering half of the 2 downlink beams useless and turned off. They are not running E12 anywhere near the capacity it was designed for. So a few power problems shouldn't affect it at all. I don't see them firing up the extra beams anytime soon anyway with the massive Ciel-2 capabilities they have now.

TheKrell

May 13, 2009

photoman76 said:
I'm getting no signal on Transponders 1, 3, 7, 15, and 17.

In case some folks aren't following the train of logic here... What photoman is saying is that none of the transponders in his spotbeam are on, unless 19 and 23 count. The logical conclusion is that 19 and 23 are still in conus mode. This (conus mode) is also what digiblur and P. Smith are saying.

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Peter Parker

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 29 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Yesterday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:40 PM

I got the 713 update yesterday.

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naptime

Today at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Today at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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Bobby

Today at 10:32 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.

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dishstaller

29 minutes ago

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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telebiker

Last reply 36 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Hopper and Dish Hopper Plus No Alexa in settings

I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.

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HipKat

Mar 15, 2026

Guys,
Android is Google. Google is Android. Android OS and Google TV are the same thing.
The Hopper+ and Joey 4's run Android TV, which is Google's television version of Android.
That means under the hood, you have:

Linux kernel
Android framework
Google TV / Android TV interface
Google Play Store for TV apps

Alexa is the competition. Google is not going to host their competition.
The old Hopper Carbon UI is NOT Google so that's why Alexa was on there.

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Harryhaggle

Mar 18, 2026

Understood. But here's the rub - Google Assistant setup is ALSO missing from the Hopper Plus setup. I'm a paraplegic.and need to use voice controls as much as possible but I can't press a button on the remote to activate Google Assistant. I prefer ALEXA (or ALEXA+) but I have one older google device and will go that route IF they make it available. BTW calling Dish Customer Service is no help- they just say they have no info on if/when there will be an update.

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navychop

Mar 18, 2026

Ungood.

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reubenray

Today at 10:17 AM

What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?

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navychop

36 minutes ago

Tell Alexa verbally what to do.

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klang

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Last reply 39 minutes ago · posted in TV Shows

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.

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klang

Jul 28, 2025

I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

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Foxbat

Apr 3, 2026

Paramount lost a number of the Star Trek creative crew to other projects, like Ron Moore going on to BSG and "For All Mankind". I see Denise and Michael Okuda are also involved with FAM.

klang

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

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MikeD-C05

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.

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harshness

Tuesday at 11:28 AM

MikeD-C05 said:
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.

Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

MikeD-C05

39 minutes ago

harshness said:
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.

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meStevo

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Last reply 51 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.

View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k

We've literally got a movie already about this

View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc

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meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.

That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

harshness said:
There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

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harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
This is true of literally anything, though.

Do you think that means we ought to be supporting it as the long-term solution?

Foxbat

Monday at 11:01 PM

Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:36 PM

Oops.

AI Agent Blamed for Deleting Entire Upcoming Season of TV Show

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dishstaller

Today at 10:05 AM

Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply 57 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply 59 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
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Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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