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We basically just lost our CBS affiliate here - if you look at the map at http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report_0609/Grand_Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle_Creek_MI.pdf for station WWMT, we are in one of the "orange diamond" areas - so yes, we SUPPOSEDLY have service from another CBS affiliate. Well, if you look at http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report_0609/Traverse_City-Cadillac_MI.pdf for WWTV, that's the other CBS affiliate. Notice it's on "real" channel 9 and in almost the complete opposite direction from the other stations, which have their digital signals on (among others) channels 7,8, and 11.

Suppose I were to put up another antenna specifically for channel 9 - how could I combine it on the internal system so it appears with the other channels? Having a switch at each TV is NOT an acceptable solution, I would not even consider that for several reasons (Really: NOT AN OPTION, so please don't push it). Running a separate wire from the channel 9 antenna down the tower IS acceptable (and something I planned on doing anyway) but once I get the cables from the "main" antenna and the Channel 9 antenna into the house, what's the best way to combine them so they don't interfere with or cancel out each other? In particular I don't want Channel 9 to attenuate Channel 8 in any way.

Converting channel 9 to a different channel (especially one in the 2-4 range) WOULD be acceptable (as a matter of fact I'd like to also do that for digital channel 19, for a different reason) but only if it's a simple frequency shift and the channel is still digital - I don't want to convert the signal to analog. I also don't want to spend a ton of money on a frequency converter (in other words, no $800 cable system grade stuff).

So is what I want to do even possible or should I just forget about Channel 9? Again, PLEASE don't even suggest using a switch at each TV, I have some very valid reasons for saying that just isn't going to work.
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Jim5506
If you don't have signals from the other direction on channels 8 and 10, you might be able to use a jointenna by Channel Master tuned to channel 9.

It passes channel 9 only on one side and blocks 8,9 and 10 on the other side, letting you get a cleaner union of seperate antennas.

Channel Master JoinTennas
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PLEASE don't even suggest using a switch at each TV.

Don't bother with a Jointenna, it'll ruin any chances of channel 8. A backwards splitter will add loss, noise, and multipath; so rule out that option.

A conveter box tuned to channel 9 and fed to a second input on the TV is an option that will work with a remote.
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I knew about the Jointenna, would be perfect if it didn't knock out channel 8. And I know enough not to use a backwards splitter. However I have wondered if something like this would work: The main antenna already has a preamp up close to the antenna, with power supply at the bottom. Could a second antenna also be run into an amplifier and the the output of the two amplifiers combined using a backward splitter (since both antennas are being run through a one-way amplifier, I just wonder if that would minimize any normally adverse effects).

What about if both antennas went into separate small distribution amps (say something like a couple of Channel Master CM3410's, just to pick a model out of thin air) and then the outputs of both amplifiers were immediately fed into a backward splitter using maybe 3-inch coax stubs - I don't imagine that the signals can pass backward through an amplifier, and I'd have to think that such a short length of coax from the amp outputs into the splitter would prevent multipath issues, but maybe I'm not understanding the problem fully.

I think I have said before, what's really needed (and could solve a LOT of problems) is a digital demodulator/remodulator - basically something that would take a single channel from an antenna, extract the digital stream, and remodulate it onto a different channel that could be fed into a home system (WITHOUT converting to analog). I'm sure cable companies have things like that, but even the least expensive units I've seen are running about a grand now, and I suspect someone could make a consumer-grade unit and sell it for a lot less but so far, no one has (that I'm aware of).

Actually, you know what some smart company really ought to make, now that electronics are getting so small? A multi-channel unit that could be mounted on top of a tower (like an antenna preamp) but that would convert any four channels to any other four channels before even sending them down the cable. So, for example, you could convert that somewhat weak high UHF channel down to a low VHF frequency before even sending it down the coax, reducing loss and other issues. And, if that device could also accept feeds from multiple antennas, you could do just about any combination. Remember we are talking digital streams here, heck maybe you could even send them all down the tower on weatherproof Cat 5 and then remodulate them at the bottom - lots of interesting possibilities if you really think about it!
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If they're nearly 180 degrees apart, have you considered swinging the antenna about to see if you can get acceptable signal from your main cluster on the back side of the antenna?
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What about using an adjacent channel bandpass filter from TinLee? It would be more expensive, but might work better than a Jointenna. Perhaps you could call them and ask if it would work for your purpose...

Tin Lee Electronics :: Bandpass Filters
Tin Lee Electronics :: Bandpass Filters
Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Take It Easy - The Eagles
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Take It as It Comes - Steve Winwood
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Take The Money and Run - Steve Miller Band
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Run Joe -- Louis Jordan and his Tympany Five
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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Weekly Analysis for 10/28/2026:
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ElectionHQ mixes testing with BBC News, CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC, MSNOW, NewsMax and NewsNation

Some more reshuffles

Updating the TMSIDs for KSBI and KQCW to use the cable feeds with Thunder games instead of the OTA feeds

An additional commercial PPV channel is now on 9530
coolman302003
Monday 11/2 is a full slate for NBA League Pass as all 30 teams are playing and 14 out of 15 total games are on NBALP. Only one national TV game on Peacock/NBCSN (Thunder @ Cavs).

DirecTV is even having to use several MLB EI channels (from 745-748) and a NHL CI (770) channel to fit all of them in the guide close together. 5 games at 7:30 ET, 3 games at 8 ET, 2 games at 8:30 ET, 1 game at 9 ET, 3 games at 10 ET. Luckily NHL CI is light on Monday (3 games on CI).

DirecTV is providing both broadcast feeds for all League Pass games except Hornets, Magic, Bucks & Raptors that night. These are all teams that have local broadcasts via a OTA channel which is on spotbeams and have streaming deals (DTC) that are not exclusive DAZN teams which DirecTV just signed a deal with (à la Spurs, Grizzlies, Cavs, Pacers & T'Wolves). Its also very common that we don't get Raptors broadcast very often from TSN or Sportsnet Ontario on League Pass.

11/2/26 (MON) EASTERN7:00 PM7:30 PM8:00 PM8:30 PM9:00 PM10:00 PM
Peacock/NBCSNThunder @ Cavaliers
NBA League PassNonePistons (745) @ HornetsKings (755) @ Mavericks (756)Celtics (760) @ Rockets (761)Trail Blazers (764) @ Nuggets (765)Suns (769) @ Warriors (770)
Hawks (746) @ Pacers (747)Pelicans (757) @ Grizzlies (758)Jazz (762) @ Spurs (763)Raptors @ Clippers (766)
Nets (748) @ Knicks (751)Bucks @ T'Wolves (759)Heat (767) @ Lakers (768)
Wizards (752) @ Magic
Bulls (753) @ 76ers (754)
*No Hornets, Magic local broadcasts*No Bucks local broadcast*No Raptors local broadcast
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Only the Knicks, Nets, Wizards, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets, Lakers, Warriors, Avalanche, Sharks and Bruins feeds will be using remaps of 24/7 RSNs that night. The rest will be relying on the part time feeds, including the Nuggets, Blackhawks and Kings who will be on their alt/overflow channels, and MSG Western NY will be live on channel 635-1 to carry Buffalo area ads during the Knicks game.

The NHL Network alternate will be live on channel 215-1 with Red Wings @ Panthers for those blacked out of Golden Knights @ Bruins on the main feed.

The Thunder @ Cavaliers game will be on one of Peacock Game Pass channels that night for commercial customers, they'll also have the back to back U-Conn Women's and Men's Basketball. One of the part time feeds will also be in use for WWE Raw via Joe Hand promotions.
dtv757
I could be wrong but the only RSN we dont have is NBC SN Philadelphia .
Neutron
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Patrick Stewart died yesterday, October 28th at the age of 86. We lost yet another great actor. :(

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long_time_Dish
Rest in peace. Wow, so many good roles, but Jean Luc Picard will always be my favorite...
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R.I.P.
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Rest In Peace
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R.I.P., Jean-Luc.
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Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

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Next 3:10 to Yuma
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Since it was already "paid" for, I spent the two hours of my time watching the John Cena action movie on Apple TV, "Matchbox The Movie" even though the reviews were brutal. It was better than I expected, so I didn't feel like I had wasted an afternoon watching it. But it felt like another "Reacher"/"Neghley"/"Mission: Impossible"/"Fast & Furious" crash and blow stuff up with lots of automatic gunfire mixed in movie featuring covert CIA operatives.

I don't think we'll get a follow-up movie from this. I expect Mattel will have other toy lines to exploit.
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Last of the Dogmen is my favorite of hers.
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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I loved it when Rodney was on the Tonight Show...
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
Thanks, I wasn't sure if you had the wrong Subject or the wrong YouTube link.
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Was a Don Rickles fan. I've dvr'd most of his appearances on Carson from the antenna tv replays.

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More Dangerfield rapid fire on Carson.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scEQFHQHHhU
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It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. :eek

Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.

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I guess America can't afford 10 year autoloans
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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
Don in CT
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
Scott Greczkowski
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
12 minutes after the patch was release I had it patched. :)
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A.I. - Be careful what you wish for…
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6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.
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6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.
Yeah... that was me...

I did another security update and it required me to reboot the server.

I also did a patch for something else and accidently put two ;'s in the config file so when the server rebooted it wouldn't restart a service because of the extra ; in the config file.

And of course as I did it my step dad called me slowing me down in figuring it out.

That was a Scott mistake. Sorry about that.
navychop
OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

Aww- nevermind.

;)
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Last reply · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone
Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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harshness
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.
comfortably_numb
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.

Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
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Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
Foxbat
when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
I'd probably say when they came up with their M-series of processors with integrated memory. That allowed Apple to get away from the inefficient Intel CPUs that were limiting their notebook computers.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Almighty1
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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Almighty1
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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meStevo
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Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Starting a thread klang !

After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.

Keri Russell Wow GIF by NETFLIX
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Not in a hurry to watch it this time.
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Finished season 3 last night. Still one of my favorite shows.

Anyone else wonder if there might be something else going on with Callum? Seems to me he has too much access to Russian intelligence.
meStevo
One episode into season 4 that dropped today...

Jon Stewart Popcorn GIF
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Renewed for season 5.
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Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!