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I'm working on putting together a system for use in Hawaii (96704). Planing to purchase a Fortec FS6P 180cm (6ft.) prime focus dish. The main bird I'm looking at will be the 97w (Galaxy 19) for the Thai channels however I also have A Directv receiver that I would like to use for the 101w bird. I'm planning on getting the Invacom QPF-031 with the AF-120 feedhorn so that I can do both linear and circular thus both FTA and DSS Directv.
Now here's the question. Because of my location the look angles for the 97w are 24.9 ele. and 103.2 azi. The 101w is 21.0 ele. and 101.1 azi. The difference is only about 2 degrees. With such a small difference in look angle can I get by with doing a stationary mount with cheating the dish look angle to be somewhere between the two? Or will I have to motorize the system to move the dish to these exact angles? Will this 6 foot dish be able to boost the signal here in Hawaii enough so that I can cheat on the angles? Especially the Directv signal as that is stronger than the FTA signal.
I was originally thinking of getting a seperate circular DSS LNBF for the Directv and just hang it off the side if the main FTA LNBF, but, because the look angle only has a 2 degrees difference, I don't think I would be able to get the Directv LNBF close enough to the focal point.
What are your ideas and suggestions? Any help or discussion will be appreciated!!
Eric.
Now here's the question. Because of my location the look angles for the 97w are 24.9 ele. and 103.2 azi. The 101w is 21.0 ele. and 101.1 azi. The difference is only about 2 degrees. With such a small difference in look angle can I get by with doing a stationary mount with cheating the dish look angle to be somewhere between the two? Or will I have to motorize the system to move the dish to these exact angles? Will this 6 foot dish be able to boost the signal here in Hawaii enough so that I can cheat on the angles? Especially the Directv signal as that is stronger than the FTA signal.
I was originally thinking of getting a seperate circular DSS LNBF for the Directv and just hang it off the side if the main FTA LNBF, but, because the look angle only has a 2 degrees difference, I don't think I would be able to get the Directv LNBF close enough to the focal point.
What are your ideas and suggestions? Any help or discussion will be appreciated!!
Eric.
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Thanks for all the suggestions everyone! This morning I worked out my theories using my CAD program to draw out the focus length and the 2 angle differences in elevation and azimuth. I came up with a 25mm spacing for the 2.1 degree azimuth difference and a 47mm spacing for the 3.9 degree elevation diference. When I pluged in the numbers into the formulas you provided I came up with the same numbers! Great!! Looks like I'm on track with my spacing and it looks like I will just be able to get the 2 LNBFs in the right position if I mount them just touching each other.
Here is a drawing I made of how it will look. Using a Sadoun Collar II for C Band Dish which has a cutout on one side I should be able to get the 2 LNBFS next to each other with a drop of 47mm and a east shift of 25mm for the offset LNBF. This should be correct as I understand the offset LNBF has to be on the opposite side of where the satellite is in the sky. The offset satellite (101W) being higher and to the west. The circles represent the 40mm LNBF throat.
Now my other theory was to use the combination Circular/linear Invacom QPF031 and have the dish pointed between the two calculated positions so that it would be able to pick up both birds at the same time. The thing is it would be "off center" to either bird by about 2 degrees. The question is would this adversly effect the signal strenth enough that I would have no reception? Or would the size of the dish compensate for the loss created by the 2 degree miss alignment? Any ideas on this theory?
I"m pretty sure theory 1 using two LNBFs with the stronger directv LNBF offset will work. Do you think theory 2 using the combo LNBF centered between the 2 focal points would work? Also, I know using a 180cm dish is overkill but I feel alot better using the big dish especially considering this strange set-up and the fact that we do have a lot of rain here. Also my set-up back in L.A. theoretically is optimum for that location but I still have drop-outs on the 97W especially on the DMC channel which seems to be on a weeker transponder. My fiancee really gets upset when she loses her DMC channel and I don't want that to happen here in Hawaii with this setup!
Let me know! And thanks to all once again!
Eric
Here is a drawing I made of how it will look. Using a Sadoun Collar II for C Band Dish which has a cutout on one side I should be able to get the 2 LNBFS next to each other with a drop of 47mm and a east shift of 25mm for the offset LNBF. This should be correct as I understand the offset LNBF has to be on the opposite side of where the satellite is in the sky. The offset satellite (101W) being higher and to the west. The circles represent the 40mm LNBF throat.
Now my other theory was to use the combination Circular/linear Invacom QPF031 and have the dish pointed between the two calculated positions so that it would be able to pick up both birds at the same time. The thing is it would be "off center" to either bird by about 2 degrees. The question is would this adversly effect the signal strenth enough that I would have no reception? Or would the size of the dish compensate for the loss created by the 2 degree miss alignment? Any ideas on this theory?
I"m pretty sure theory 1 using two LNBFs with the stronger directv LNBF offset will work. Do you think theory 2 using the combo LNBF centered between the 2 focal points would work? Also, I know using a 180cm dish is overkill but I feel alot better using the big dish especially considering this strange set-up and the fact that we do have a lot of rain here. Also my set-up back in L.A. theoretically is optimum for that location but I still have drop-outs on the 97W especially on the DMC channel which seems to be on a weeker transponder. My fiancee really gets upset when she loses her DMC channel and I don't want that to happen here in Hawaii with this setup!
Let me know! And thanks to all once again!
Eric
Are you still hell-bent on the six foot prime focus dish?
If so, let me repeat something very important to your project:
I'm not gonna say "I told ya so", later on. I'm sayin' it now!
If so, let me repeat something very important to your project:
If you ignore this admonition, your performance will be compromised!
I'm not gonna say "I told ya so", later on. I'm sayin' it now!
Anole,
Yes I understand how the F/D works. That is why I'm looking at the Invacom QPF-031 with the AF-120 feedhorn. This setup is optimal for a large prime focus dish. However, it now looks like my idea of using this combo LNBF may not work for me unless I motorize the dish. My next choice will be the BSC321SP which is a Linear Ku LNBF designed for the big prime focus dishes. It will match up with the F/D ratio of 0.38 of the 6 foot dish. It will give me full illumination of the dish and maximum signal strength for the weaker FTA signal from G19 at 97W. I also realize that this will leave me with having to use a standard 3 foot offset LNBF for my Directv DBS signal from 101W. Not optimal but since I will be off setting that LNBF anyways it wouldn't be able to fully illuminate the dish anyways. Plus it may not give 6 feet of dish but it will definately give me more than 3 or 4 feet. And that Directv signal is stronger also so using it should not be an issue.
My main thing is to get a super strong FTA KU signal from G19 at 97W and especially from that weak transponder that carries the DMC channel. Plus I have 5 acres and a small dish would look silly on this big piece of land!!
Iceberg,
Thanks for the photos! I'm pretty sure using 2 LNBFs will work. Was just thinking I could get by with just using the one combo LNBF but the 4 degree misalignment I would have on the Directv 101W would probably be too much and I wouldn't get a good enough signal. And yes, Directv in Hawaii requires a 24" minimum dish and you cant use the stock 18" dish that is used "on the mainland".
Any other input will be greatly appreciated especially regarding the use of the single combo Invacom QPF-031 with the AF-120 feedhorn.
Thanks everyone!!
Eric
Yes I understand how the F/D works. That is why I'm looking at the Invacom QPF-031 with the AF-120 feedhorn. This setup is optimal for a large prime focus dish. However, it now looks like my idea of using this combo LNBF may not work for me unless I motorize the dish. My next choice will be the BSC321SP which is a Linear Ku LNBF designed for the big prime focus dishes. It will match up with the F/D ratio of 0.38 of the 6 foot dish. It will give me full illumination of the dish and maximum signal strength for the weaker FTA signal from G19 at 97W. I also realize that this will leave me with having to use a standard 3 foot offset LNBF for my Directv DBS signal from 101W. Not optimal but since I will be off setting that LNBF anyways it wouldn't be able to fully illuminate the dish anyways. Plus it may not give 6 feet of dish but it will definately give me more than 3 or 4 feet. And that Directv signal is stronger also so using it should not be an issue.
My main thing is to get a super strong FTA KU signal from G19 at 97W and especially from that weak transponder that carries the DMC channel. Plus I have 5 acres and a small dish would look silly on this big piece of land!!
Iceberg,
Thanks for the photos! I'm pretty sure using 2 LNBFs will work. Was just thinking I could get by with just using the one combo LNBF but the 4 degree misalignment I would have on the Directv 101W would probably be too much and I wouldn't get a good enough signal. And yes, Directv in Hawaii requires a 24" minimum dish and you cant use the stock 18" dish that is used "on the mainland".
Any other input will be greatly appreciated especially regarding the use of the single combo Invacom QPF-031 with the AF-120 feedhorn.
Thanks everyone!!
Eric
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Yeah the last thing you want is to have the dish keep going out when it rains.
Thats the spiritMy main thing is to get a super strong FTA KU signal from G19 at 97W and especially from that weak transponder that carries the DMC channel. Plus I have 5 acres and a small dish would look silly on this big piece of land!!
Yeah the last thing you want is to have the dish keep going out when it rains.Thats good to know. I didnt know if it was a 24 or a 30" minimum for DirecTV
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For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. 
WTF… …What the Foxbat!Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming youWTF… …What the Foxbat!
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade..
. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
You should have looked in the APP STORE instead.
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.