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This is my Setup right now:
Vip222 and DP301 – no lease fee only $5 Equipment fee for each tuner for a total of 3.
I plan to unsub both because I'm activating a rec that I own a Vip722 and getting a lease rec a SD duo. I think this will be my new charges
Vip722
Lease Fee – None, I Own the rec
Equipment Fee:
TV1 - $5
TV2 - $5
DVR Fee - $5.98
SD duo Dvr– Not sure the model
Lease Fee or Additional Receiver Lease Fee – $5. Not sure of this charde
Equipment Fee:
TV1 - $5
TV2 - $5
Dvr Fee - $5.98
What can I do to avoid all or some charges?
If I connect both rec will equipment charges be waived?
Vip222 and DP301 – no lease fee only $5 Equipment fee for each tuner for a total of 3.
I plan to unsub both because I'm activating a rec that I own a Vip722 and getting a lease rec a SD duo. I think this will be my new charges
Vip722
Lease Fee – None, I Own the rec
Equipment Fee:
TV1 - $5
TV2 - $5
DVR Fee - $5.98
SD duo Dvr– Not sure the model
Lease Fee or Additional Receiver Lease Fee – $5. Not sure of this charde
Equipment Fee:
TV1 - $5
TV2 - $5
Dvr Fee - $5.98
What can I do to avoid all or some charges?
If I connect both rec will equipment charges be waived?
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The only fees that can be eliminated are the $5 fees for not having the Duo (or 522. 625, 322, and all Duo ViP boxes--I believe the 612 is exempt, not sure) connected to a phone line or broadband internet connections. This is called the "TV 2 Connection" fee.
The other fee that can be avoided the DVR fees if you subscribe to America's Everything Pack (AEP). Under AEP, no DVR fees for all DVR's on your account. Otherwise you are charged the DVR fee for EACH DVR on your account.
The really bad news is that you cannot avoid having to pay the additional $5 or $7 (depending upon the box) monthly charge. If you lease, it is called the "Lease Fee." If you own the box, it is called Duo or Solo "Receiver Fee". It is just the same amount of money but given a different name. You will pay the same monthly fee whether you lease or own. This is one of the reasons that owning is not the best route.
Financially, leasing is always best. This is not 1999 when owning made some sense. You will want to upgrade as time passes, so it is cheaper to do that rather than buy for full retail the latest and greatest in Dish technology STB's. I plan on exchanging my 722's for 922's. Otherwise I would have to pay $800.
The only reason to own is if you require more boxes (actually it is a 4 tuner limit, so more tuners) than Dish is willing to lease. If your leased box fails, Dish will replace it at no charge because it is their box (you may be charged $14 shipping). If your owned box fails after the warranty, then you get to replace that box at full retail. Ouch! If you want your owned equipment (including the entire system) covered after the initial warranty for free replacement with NO shipping charges, then you need to spend an additional $5 per month for the Home Protection Plan. The plan also includes tech visits at $25. The HPP paid for itself easily when my 721 had to be replaced twice, within a very short period, all at no charge.
So, as you see, Dish has you a comin' and a goin'. Focus on your telephone / broadband internet connection to save on the "TV2 Connection Fee." Then consider if AEP makes sense for you. Then That's it. Sorry. no savings on any other fees whether you lease or own. You will pay the fee for each additional receiver on your account, no matter what. Get used to it
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The other fee that can be avoided the DVR fees if you subscribe to America's Everything Pack (AEP). Under AEP, no DVR fees for all DVR's on your account. Otherwise you are charged the DVR fee for EACH DVR on your account.
The really bad news is that you cannot avoid having to pay the additional $5 or $7 (depending upon the box) monthly charge. If you lease, it is called the "Lease Fee." If you own the box, it is called Duo or Solo "Receiver Fee". It is just the same amount of money but given a different name. You will pay the same monthly fee whether you lease or own. This is one of the reasons that owning is not the best route.
Financially, leasing is always best. This is not 1999 when owning made some sense. You will want to upgrade as time passes, so it is cheaper to do that rather than buy for full retail the latest and greatest in Dish technology STB's. I plan on exchanging my 722's for 922's. Otherwise I would have to pay $800.
The only reason to own is if you require more boxes (actually it is a 4 tuner limit, so more tuners) than Dish is willing to lease. If your leased box fails, Dish will replace it at no charge because it is their box (you may be charged $14 shipping). If your owned box fails after the warranty, then you get to replace that box at full retail. Ouch! If you want your owned equipment (including the entire system) covered after the initial warranty for free replacement with NO shipping charges, then you need to spend an additional $5 per month for the Home Protection Plan. The plan also includes tech visits at $25. The HPP paid for itself easily when my 721 had to be replaced twice, within a very short period, all at no charge.
So, as you see, Dish has you a comin' and a goin'. Focus on your telephone / broadband internet connection to save on the "TV2 Connection Fee." Then consider if AEP makes sense for you. Then That's it. Sorry. no savings on any other fees whether you lease or own. You will pay the fee for each additional receiver on your account, no matter what. Get used to it
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Dang female lions don't mess around when it comes to their kiddos....aka whelps.
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Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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when was the last time they innovated something
I'd probably say when they came up with their M-series of processors with integrated memory. That allowed Apple to get away from the inefficient Intel CPUs that were limiting their notebook computers.when was the last time they innovated something
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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..I hate playing in Ames.
I hate playing in LA ...
Buckeyes had 2 weeks off and came out and looked absolutely terrible ... broke in a new Freshman Qb, but that wasn't the worst part ... undiscipline play, at last count they had 10 penalties.
Freshman in the end of the game trying to play catch up, had a lot of Over throws ... Bucks lose ...
#1 Miami struggled but pulled away in the end beating North Carolina by 3 ...
Tuesday the CFP brings out thier Playoff Top 12 again ... Buckeyes should drop from #2 to about #22 (they won't) had they had thier Starting QB, it would have been a different game ...
They could lose the rest of thier games at this point.
My in-Laws came from Iowa, she was a graduate of ISU. Unranked Iowa teams beat the #24 and #25 teams on Halloween.
And I heard that your QB made a poor choice after scoring the tying touchdown, leading to a fifteen yard penalty on the ensuing kickoff. The Cyclones were then able to take advantage of the resulting field position to get close enough to score the winning field goal.
In a NCAA Football season of bizarre endings, this has to rank right up there.
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Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs
My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.
Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.
After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.
I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.
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Such a scam. Healthcare.gov shows me cheaper individual plans available for 2027 from ambetter that ambetter doesn't show on their website. Looked it up. I've spent $68,000 in premiums the last 5 years and got nothing out of it except a few doctors visits and labs.
I'm on Medicare but the rest of the family is on ACA. ACA is ridiculus. The ACA premium has been about about $1900/month with a $9K deductible for the past 10 years - no eye or dental. A lot of money and yet we get so little in return. I haven't signed up for 2027 yet but I expect the cost to be higher.
Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs
My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.
Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.
After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.
I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.
I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.
Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.
It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.
Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.
It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.
Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
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I had an old Wireless Joey replaced by a Wireless Joey 4 (Android TV) - still have a Hopper 3 without the Hopper Plus. What do I have to do to get the EPG to show channel logos instead of "Dish"? This is annoying as hell and it's been this way for over a month…
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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Amazon to acquire Globalstar and expand Amazon Leo satellite network
Globalstar satellites, radio frequency spectrum, and operational expertise will enable Amazon Leo to add Direct-to-Device (D2D) services to future generations of its low Earth orbit satellite network.
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SpaceX is reportedly pursuing 80,000 cell sites to turn Starlink into a wireless carrier that could compete with Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile for cell coverage.
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This should hit a lot of folks with a dose of reality. I can only imagine how much more common this will get as AI progresses.
I read several stories on this and most are clear as mud. They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole. I guess time will tell if either of these statements are actually true.
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I read several stories on this and most are clear as mud. They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole. I guess time will tell if either of these statements are actually true.
Hackers steal $6.3 billion from Binance in biggest-ever cryptocurrency theft
The company later added it began recovering assets impacted by the breach after pledging to cover losses using its Secure Asset Fund for Users.
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Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!
A couple of pieces of info:
When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.
Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
A couple of pieces of info:
- Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
- Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
- 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
- 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
- 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
- 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
- 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
- 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.
When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.
Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
- During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
- Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
- Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
- There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
- At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
- At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.
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