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willie8605

Last reply Aug 7, 2009 · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

22khz switch question

Can I use a 22KHz switch between a dish and a 4x1 diseqc?

The setup in question is in the attached pic.

I looked through the switch FAQ and found some info not directly related to this question so I am not 100% sure it will work. I am trying to avoid buying another diseqc switch and my receiver doesn't support 1.1 so I can't just replace the 4x1 with an 8x1 to get around the 22KHz.

:EDIT:
I am asking b/c in the switch FAQ it only shows the 22khz switches being used like multiple LNBs-->2 diseqc switches-->22khz and not how I have it drawn. I have no experience with 22khz switches so this is all new to me

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Anole

Aug 6, 2009

alternate switch idea:

You've built a 6-input switch.
With no expansion capability.

Did you want both circular and linear on the QPH-031?
Expensive hardware to tie up and only use half way...
You can only get one or the other the way you have it drawn.

If you get an Ecoda 22khz switch, and another 4x1 diseqc, you can implement this 8-input design.
It does have some limitations, but I don't think you'll run afoul of any of them for what you're doing.

And it even leaves one extra free input for future expansion. - :up

willie8605

Aug 6, 2009

Ice - how can I receive both of the polarities from the QPH-031 if I only have one polarity of the QPH-031 going to the 22khz? In that setup there is only enough room to allow one or the other to even be plugged in at once.

I was thinking more along these lines...basically what is in the switch FAQ

Anole

Aug 6, 2009

I can't count:

Here's how my post above should have read -

Anole said:
You've built a 5-input switch, to deal with a 6-input problem.

Did you want both circular and linear on the QPH-031?
Expensive hardware to tie up and only use half way...
You can only get one or the other the way you have it drawn.

If you get an Ecoda 22khz switch, and another 4x1 diseqc, you can implement this 8-input design, and use six inputs.
It does have some limitations, but I don't think you'll run afoul of any of them for what you're doing.

And it even leaves two extra free inputs for future expansion. - :up

Your second drawing seems to accomplish what you said you wanted.
At least, so long as there is only the one receiver in the picture (maybe a PCI card), capable of DSS reception.

Mr Tony

Aug 6, 2009

willie8605 said:
Ice - how can I receive both of the polarities from the QPH-031 if I only have one polarity of the QPH-031 going to the 22khz? In that setup there is only enough room to allow one or the other to even be plugged in at once.

all 4 ports of the QPH do both polarities...Again only Primestar LNB"s had the separate H & V outputs. Almost all of the LNBF's that have 2 ports (or in the case of the QPH 2 ports for C & 2 for L) both polarities are in it

What you posted in the 2nd pic works fine but the 22k has to be ECODA brand or it wont work

willie8605

Aug 7, 2009

Iceberg said:
all 4 ports of the QPH do both polarities...

Sadoun has this info for the QPH-031...

2x outputs for Circular polarity ( LH & RH )
2x outputs for Linear Polarity ( V & H )

Doesn't this mean I will need to use at least 2 ports to get both circular and linear to one receiver?

Anole - I plan on using this setup with my Twinhan 1020a. So, yes, DSS is in the picture

phlatwound

Aug 7, 2009

willie8605 said:
...Doesn't this mean I will need to use at least 2 ports to get both circular and linear to one receiver?....

yes, that is correct.

Mr Tony

Aug 7, 2009

yes
one port from the C side and one from the L side

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply 12 minutes ago · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio

SiriusXM announces 25 Holiday Channels for 2026

Some of the channels start next week.

SiriusXM Delivers the Soundtrack to the Holidays with Its Festive Lineup of 25 Handcrafted Seasonal Music Channels

Lineup features channels produced and presented by celebrated personalities and iconic brands, including Jimmy Fallon, Hallmark,…...

investor.siriusxm.com

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comfortably_numb

Wednesday at 10:59 AM

My favorite is probably Holiday Pops.

TRG

Wednesday at 11:04 AM

It's not even Halloween yet.

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Scott Greczkowski

Wednesday at 11:31 AM

I like the Jimmy Fallon channel. This will be its third year. I like that it's all fresh each year. Also fun when he pops on live from time to time.

Don in CT

12 minutes ago

comfortably_numb said:
My favorite is probably Holiday Pops.

So it's a drunk father telling his in-laws to leave.

dishstaller

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Last reply 28 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Claude's site is still up and running. New link required

I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!

satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 5:34 PM

If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 8:29 PM

dishstaller said:
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!

satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 8:31 PM

Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working.

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(((Garyd)))

Today at 1:05 PM

dishstaller said:
If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.

Your old link triggered my Bitdefender today.

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(((Garyd)))

Today at 6:18 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!

I had a direct link to ]Political, thought provoking and debatable but now have to go in the main section or I get a warning on my Bitdefender

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dishstaller

57 minutes ago

Scott Greczkowski said:
Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!

I sent you a PM Scott. Doesn't really make any sense to me BUT....I've never claimed to be the sharpest knife in the drawer....though I just might be the most persistent. :baby

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Scott Greczkowski

28 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
I sent you a PM Scott. Doesn't really make any sense to me BUT....I've never claimed to be the sharpest knife in the drawer....though I just might be the most persistent.

Its an automated bot. Explained it to you in the PM.

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osu1991

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply 55 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

EV News

America’s Fastest-Growing EV State Isn’t California—Not by a Long Shot

New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives

www.autoweek.com

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.

:eek

It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.

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meStevo

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bsky.app

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.

harshness

Oct 19, 2026

If it weren't for the sky-high electricity prices...

Of course, the real scare with Winter coming is the insane cost of heating oil.

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osu1991

Oct 24, 2026

GM Is Coming for Tesla, Rivian, and China, on Your Phone and in the Car

GM’s latest tech preview details autonomous highway driving plans, AI-powered OnStar features, and new LMR batteries for future EVs.

www.motortrend.com

GM said its next-generation vehicle architecture will provide 40 times more computing power and 30 percent less wiring than before and will expand from the 2028 Cadillac Escalade IQ to its high-volume SUVs, trucks, crossovers, and fourth-generation EVs, which will be powered by lithium manganese-rich (LMR) prismatic batteries

Despite the politicization and perceived consumer pivot away from EVs in America, GM needs to remain globally competitive, so it's doubling down on its fourth generation EVs, with energy-dense, cheaper-to-manufacture LMR batteries, more efficient motors, and state-of-the-art centralized computing architecture. With a stated goal of cutting the traditional four- to five-year concept-to-production time in half, GM is clearly challenging the concept of "China speed," which in the Chinese automotive industry can be as quick as 18 months from design to start of production. In the AI space, GM is smartly collapsing all of its marque-specific apps under the familiar OnStar brand, while providing more features—both on the phone and in the car—than it ever has before.

harshness

Sunday at 12:16 PM

Let's tell it like it is. GM's EV efforts are coming from SAIC. The brain trust is almost entirely in China, and GM is hanging off of SAIC's shirt tails.

It is a lot like asserting that the Corvette was designed by Chevrolet when most of it came from the Cadillac CTS-V.

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telstar_1

Sunday at 1:22 PM

meStevo said:
tomwellborn3rd (@wellborn.net)

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bsky.app

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.

That's how Ford did it- vertical integration. He even set up a rubber plantation in S. America

meStevo

55 minutes ago

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 7:02 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Untitled Linux Show 277

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

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Today at 7:02 PM · posted in Lon.TV

Rivulet on Apple TV is a Game Changer! Dolby Vision FEL, Lossless Audio

Time for another AWESOME video from Lon Seidman of LON.TV!

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Direct YouTube Link - Rivulet on Apple TV is a Game Changer! Dolby Vision FEL, Lossless Audio
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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Today at 6:42 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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telebiker

Last reply Today at 6:36 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Hopper and Dish Hopper Plus No Alexa in settings

I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.

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navychop

Mar 18, 2026

Ungood.

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reubenray

Oct 18, 2026

What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?

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navychop

Oct 18, 2026

Tell Alexa verbally what to do.

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snissen

Today at 1:56 PM

reubenray said:
What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?

I stand up from my chair with my glass in one hand and my plate in the other, when a story I really want to hear comes on the TV. So I say, "Alexa, pause DISH", and it waits for me to return from the kitchen, at which time I say, "Alexa, resume DISH".

Or maybe, when I return with a full glass in one hand and a new plate in the other, I realize I forgot to pause to hear this good story from its start. So I say, "Alexa, skip DISH backwards 3 minutes", and I still get to catch the whole story.

I use this every day. Or until I acquire a third hand.