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Last reply Sep 2, 2009 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Moving soon and SWM question

Hello,

I am moving soon (and not "Moving") and the new house we are looking at does not have multiple drops in locations for my DVR. I was going to use the mover connection, will they automatically put the swm equipment in or do I need to pay for extra cable runs?

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Liquidforce88

Aug 12, 2009

skottey said:
And no way should you pay for wiring with DirecTV. If that has changed and I am expected to pay for my drops, I will turn them around and send them on their way. I'm sure cable would love to have my business.

I did not read this part of your post the other day, so I would like to address it. Direct gives 125' of cable per drop. If you exceede that you will have to pay for it. and around here it happens alot. If you need it buried you have to pay for it.

Installers have been cut to the bone on payments from Dish and Direct. They are not going to give you the world anymore just to get you installed. Both providers have also gone to the HSP/RSP installation companies. These companies have made it so that almost no real installer will do the work at the price they pay any longer. What you have now are a bunch of newbies that have no experience, they slap the system in and move on to the next one. Sure there are a few that do a good job, but they don't last long as these companies are nothing more than meat grinders.

skottey

Aug 12, 2009

Liquidforce88 said:
I did not read this part of your post the other day, so I would like to address it. Direct gives 125' of cable per drop. If you exceede that you will have to pay for it. and around here it happens alot. If you need it buried you have to pay for it.

Installers have been cut to the bone on payments from Dish and Direct. They are not going to give you the world anymore just to get you installed. Both providers have also gone to the HSP/RSP installation companies. These companies have made it so that almost no real installer will do the work at the price they pay any longer. What you have now are a bunch of newbies that have no experience, they slap the system in and move on to the next one. Sure there are a few that do a good job, but they don't last long as these companies are nothing more than meat grinders.

Is this any different than the cable companies? I am in the Tampa Bay region of Florida and if you have Bright House cable, it is rare to get a Bright House cable tech out for a new install. They outsource to an outfit called Knight Enterprises here. Some of the techs are horrible.

When I had DirecTV installed in spring of 2008, they drove up in a DirecTV van but it was a third party company like you speak of. The guy did an excellent job and he kept promoting his company, saying if I needed anything else as far as repair or whatever, call them direct. Maybe they do a good job so they know they will have your business again if you need something.

In 2007, when I had Dish installed, I got a eastern European fella that spoke horrible English. He too was a third party company. He was unprofessional in both his dress and his attitude, and of course the poor English. He drove a beater truck or van that was not marked with Dish Network.

In Nov 2008 I had FIOS installed. They were Verizon union employees and drove a Verizon truck. The tech came right out and told me I shouldn't have mentioned the "new wiring" on the phone, as he would have done it and reported it differently so I wouldn't have had to pay. but there was nothing he could do since I already asked for new wiring.

The bottom line is I always get new wiring. I am OK with them going along the side of the house under the eves or under the house. I don't expect anything fancy like fishing the walls. I know how hard running cable "can" be. But the way I see it, living in an under $300K house, do I really care if there is wire along the outside if it is nicely tucked under the gutter? I mean, if I had a million dollar home I'd probably get four coax drops run to each TV and Ethernet all over the house. I'd do it professionally, not by the DirecTV or cable installers. No offense to them, but like you yourself said, you aren't getting the best techs to do the job.

I am moving next week and I will settle for outside wiring to my two HD-DVRs. I'm not going to ask the guy to fish it or do anything fancy. But I do expect new wiring. I mean, I will have DirecTV and the cable company for Internet. That is two providers right there. I will also get FIOS again as soon as it is available at that address (3 providers using coax), and lastly, I will use the existing wiring for my closed circuit security camera network.

I will say that I have argued with techs from cable that thought they could use the existing wiring. They get annoyed that they have to run new, but you just tell them "that is in use already." Just because the previous owner used that wiring doesn't mean they have ownership of it. In the end they always install new.

twizt3dsist3r

Aug 12, 2009

skottey said:
Is this any different than the cable companies? I am in the Tampa Bay region of Florida and if you have Bright House cable, it is rare to get a Bright House cable tech out for a new install. They outsource to an outfit called Knight Enterprises here. Some of the techs are horrible.

When I had DirecTV installed in spring of 2008, they drove up in a DirecTV van but it was a third party company like you speak of. The guy did an excellent job and he kept promoting his company, saying if I needed anything else as far as repair or whatever, call them direct. Maybe they do a good job so they know they will have your business again if you need something.

In 2007, when I had Dish installed, I got a eastern European fella that spoke horrible English. He too was a third party company. He was unprofessional in both his dress and his attitude, and of course the poor English. He drove a beater truck or van that was not marked with Dish Network.

In Nov 2008 I had FIOS installed. They were Verizon union employees and drove a Verizon truck. The tech came right out and told me I shouldn't have mentioned the "new wiring" on the phone, as he would have done it and reported it differently so I wouldn't have had to pay. but there was nothing he could do since I already asked for new wiring.

The bottom line is I always get new wiring. I am OK with them going along the side of the house under the eves or under the house. I don't expect anything fancy like fishing the walls. I know how hard running cable "can" be. But the way I see it, living in an under $300K house, do I really care if there is wire along the outside if it is nicely tucked under the gutter? I mean, if I had a million dollar home I'd probably get four coax drops run to each TV and Ethernet all over the house. I'd do it professionally, not by the DirecTV or cable installers. No offense to them, but like you yourself said, you aren't getting the best techs to do the job.

I am moving next week and I will settle for outside wiring to my two HD-DVRs. I'm not going to ask the guy to fish it or do anything fancy. But I do expect new wiring. I mean, I will have DirecTV and the cable company for Internet. That is two providers right there. I will also get FIOS again as soon as it is available at that address (3 providers using coax), and lastly, I will use the existing wiring for my closed circuit security camera network.

I will say that I have argued with techs from cable that thought they could use the existing wiring. They get annoyed that they have to run new, but you just tell them "that is in use already." Just because the previous owner used that wiring doesn't mean they have ownership of it. In the end they always install new.

And you my friend are the type of cust that most installers hate, requesting new wiring when it is surely not needed in all cases. through the use of correct hardware and some knowledge you can absolutely run d* and cable through the same coax without any problems as long as it is not a swm install. i do this when custs keep cable internet all the time. you should know how we are paid, and we are not payed to rewire your entire house, im not going to bend over backwards for you. I would count your wire to the inch and charge you for everything i could.

just my two cents...

skottey

Aug 12, 2009

twizt3dkitty said:
And you my friend are the type of cust that most installers hate, requesting new wiring when it is surely not needed in all cases. through the use of correct hardware and some knowledge you can absolutely run d* and cable through the same coax without any problems as long as it is not a swm install. i do this when custs keep cable internet all the time. you should know how we are paid, and we are not payed to rewire your entire house, im not going to bend over backwards for you. I would count your wire to the inch and charge you for everything i could.

just my two cents...

Maybe you didn't see my previous posts in this thread. I am one of the ones that encourages people to tip for a job well done. I am in service myself and realize most people do not tip. As the owner and service tech for what I do I don't expect it, but it is nice. I always tip for a job well done. So, come to my house and don't do what I ask and I will call and rip you a new one with your boss. Do a good job and I will tip you well. Your choice. Either way, somebody is getting the job done. It will be you or the guy they send out to finish your work.

Do you even care if the wiring in the house is from 1970? As the resident, I don't know if it is or isn't. So I want new.

Liquidforce88

Aug 13, 2009

skottey said:
Maybe you didn't see my previous posts in this thread. I am one of the ones that encourages people to tip for a job well done. I am in service myself and realize most people do not tip. As the owner and service tech for what I do I don't expect it, but it is nice. I always tip for a job well done. So, come to my house and don't do what I ask and I will call and rip you a new one with your boss. Do a good job and I will tip you well. Your choice. Either way, somebody is getting the job done. It will be you or the guy they send out to finish your work.

Do you even care if the wiring in the house is from 1970? As the resident, I don't know if it is or isn't. So I want new.

I really have no problem running new wire when it is needed. If the wire there is fine I have a real problem with it. We are installers, I know if the wire there will work or not.

Having a customer demand new wire just because, nah not gonna do it. Thats basically like you telling a mechanic umm your gonna change that oil for free, even though it only has 500 miles on it, because I said so.

I just don't get where people feel that it is their god given right to have all of this handed to them. Some people act like installers should bow down at their feet, because they let them come and give them service. Like that guy on Hell's Kitchen "I ain't no Biotch" (even though that really says he is a biotch because it's a double negative

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skottey

Aug 13, 2009

Liquidforce88 said:
I really have no problem running new wire when it is needed. If the wire there is fine I have a real problem with it. We are installers, I know if the wire there will work or not.

Having a customer demand new wire just because, nah not gonna do it. Thats basically like you telling a mechanic umm your gonna change that oil for free, even though it only has 500 miles on it, because I said so.

I just don't get where people feel that it is their god given right to have all of this handed to them. Some people act like installers should bow down at their feet, because they let them come and give them service. Like that guy on Hell's Kitchen "I ain't no Biotch" (even though that really says he is a biotch because it's a double negative )

Look, as customers we have a ton of choices. There are two satellite companies available in the US and one or more cable companies in most cities (two plus FIOS in my city). It is up to the company to decide how much they are willing to bend over backwards for us. Most of them allow free installs with new wiring. If you are being paid too little that is between you and the company. Take it up with them, not the customer. You won't know if my existing wiring is good enough or not because I won't let you touch it. When you arrive to my house you will be instructed to run new wiring before you even see what is there. If you do a good job you will be tipped (which is no obligation of mine but something I am doing from one human to another because I know you are probably underpaid).

I have always had two providers. Currently it has been DirecTV and FIOS... actually three if you want to count the business Roadrunner account. But for TV I always have two with the premiums on the provider who has the most or most in HD these days. So, over the years I have had techs moan about not being able to use the existing wiring. "Sorry sir, I am keeping Bright House." If they pay you by the job and not the hour I can understand why you would be mad but again, that is between you and the company.

If you are so good, go out on your own. I know plenty of good wiring guys that install coax and Ethernet for a living with their own business and make darn good money at it. There is plenty of work. As a computer guy I refer a ton of work to cabling guys and I know some good ones that are VERY busy. They are making more than $400 or $500 a week, I can tell you that for sure. But what I have found that guys that work for the cable companies or satellite are often VERY lazy. They don't have what it takes to run their own business. They prefer working for a company. Well, you get paid by supply and demand like every other industry. If you are underpaid it is because there are 100 guys waiting to fill your shoes if you quit or get fired. You don't own the job, the job owns you.

Don't come over here and moan about my install. Just do it and get your tip and be glad you have a job in this economy.

Davedirectv

Aug 17, 2009

skottey said:
If you are so good, go out on your own. I know plenty of good wiring guys that install coax and Ethernet for a living with their own business and make darn good money at it. There is plenty of work. As a computer guy I refer a ton of work to cabling guys and I know some good ones that are VERY busy. They are making more than $400 or $500 a week, I can tell you that for sure. But what I have found that guys that work for the cable companies or satellite are often VERY lazy. They don't have what it takes to run their own business. They prefer working for a company. Well, you get paid by supply and demand like every other industry. If you are underpaid it is because there are 100 guys waiting to fill your shoes if you quit or get fired. You don't own the job, the job owns you.

I don't agree with that part, the minute you leave a computer you just installed, 10 times out of 10 when something goes wrong with it, that customer is calling You wanting answers.

I'm not saying running a business is easy, because it's not.

But, I don't have any problems bringing good money in and not dealing with all that extra responsibilty. Granted this doesn't give anyone a license to do hack work, but some guys seem to think so and get away with it.

Liquidforce88

Aug 17, 2009

skottey said:
If you are so good, go out on your own. I know plenty of good wiring guys that install coax and Ethernet for a living with their own business and make darn good money at it. There is plenty of work. As a computer guy I refer a ton of work to cabling guys and I know some good ones that are VERY busy. They are making more than $400 or $500 a week, I can tell you that for sure. But what I have found that guys that work for the cable companies or satellite are often VERY lazy. They don't have what it takes to run their own business. They prefer working for a company. Well, you get paid by supply and demand like every other industry. If you are underpaid it is because there are 100 guys waiting to fill your shoes if you quit or get fired. You don't own the job, the job owns you.

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You call $400 - $500 a week good money?

thetech2009

Aug 17, 2009

Liquidforce88 said:
skottey said:

If you are so good, go out on your own. I know plenty of good wiring guys that install coax and Ethernet for a living with their own business and make darn good money at it. There is plenty of work. As a computer guy I refer a ton of work to cabling guys and I know some good ones that are VERY busy. They are making more than $400 or $500 a week, I can tell you that for sure. But what I have found that guys that work for the cable companies or satellite are often VERY lazy. They don't have what it takes to run their own business. They prefer working for a company. Well, you get paid by supply and demand like every other industry. If you are underpaid it is because there are 100 guys waiting to fill your shoes if you quit or get fired. You don't own the job, the job owns you.

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You call $400 - $500 a week good money?

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thats what i was wandering? I make 1000-1500 a week working for Mas Tec one of the largest hsp's for D*.

skottey

Aug 18, 2009

Davedirectv said:
I don't agree with that part, the minute you leave a computer you just installed, 10 times out of 10 when something goes wrong with it, that customer is calling You wanting answers.

I'm not saying running a business is easy, because it's not.

But, I don't have any problems bringing good money in and not dealing with all that extra responsibilty. Granted this doesn't give anyone a license to do hack work, but some guys seem to think so and get away with it.

I am referring to installers starting their own business installing cable. I am not suggesting anybody start a computer business (in this topic). I don't get a lot of problem call backs with the computer business incidentally, just a few questions sometimes. Nothing I charge them for. But that isn't relevant here.

But as far as cabling, you'd have virtually no call backs. It either works or doesn't. Do good work and go out on your own. Trust me, I refer a ton of small businesses and residential wiring jobs to two different guys that do good work. I always follow up with the customer and they are always happy.

Incidentally, I had my DirecTV installed yesterday. New wiring run. He even put in a post with cement for the dish in an area on the side yard that was the only area facing the southwest. It is working great. Heavy rain last night and no problems. The guy was very professional, on time (early actually), and he was tipped for his efforts.

At the same time I was to have my Roadrunner moved. A business account I might add. I had a window of 12-2PM, within the same time frame as DTV. Well, when Roadrunner Business didn't show up, I called in and they had NO RECORD of my scheduled appointment. I even had a confirmation number and log of the phone calls. Idiots. So they had to send out two different people today to get it moved. I'm glad I don't need to get cable for TV.

skottey

Aug 18, 2009

Liquidforce88 said:
You call $400 - $500 a week good money?

Absolutely not. What does the average installer who works for a company that does DirecTV or cable TV installs make? $10-$12.50 an hour. Maybe $15/hr which would be about $750 a week. I am saying if you go independent you will make a lot more money than the $400-$750 you make now.

Please don't cheapen me or look down at me as if I think $400 a week is good money. I am 34 years old and I didn't think that was good money when I was working gas stations and telemarketing at 18.

With the cost of things now days. I would say where I live (Tampa Bay, FL) that good money is $100K+. In NYC it might be $200K+, but here in FL, $100K is pretty good.

I am just trying to help installers go independent. I look at it this way. I charge $75-$85/hr for residential/business computer support. If I did the exact same thing with Geek Squad, I'd make what, $13-$15/hr, while Best Buy/Geek Squad are charging $150+ for the service call. Cut out that middle man and get the jobs yourself.

I am not saying it is easy. I have put a lot of hard work into building a client base but I now have people working for me (and I pay them way better than average).

Ambition people..... put down the channel changer or the video game controller and make some $$$$$$.

skottey

Aug 18, 2009

thetech2009 said:
Liquidforce88 said:

thats what i was wandering? I make 1000-1500 a week working for Mas Tec one of the largest hsp's for D*.

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No, I wasn't saying $400 was good money... see my other comment.

Liquidforce88

Aug 18, 2009

skottey said:
Absolutely not. What does the average installer who works for a company that does DirecTV or cable TV installs make? $10-$12.50 an hour. Maybe $15/hr which would be about $750 a week. I am saying if you go independent you will make a lot more money than the $400-$750 you make now.

Please don't cheapen me or look down at me as if I think $400 a week is good money. I am 34 years old and I didn't think that was good money when I was working gas stations and telemarketing at 18.

With the cost of things now days. I would say where I live (Tampa Bay, FL) that good money is $100K+. In NYC it might be $200K+, but here in FL, $100K is pretty good.

I am just trying to help installers go independent. I look at it this way. I charge $75-$85/hr for residential/business computer support. If I did the exact same thing with Geek Squad, I'd make what, $13-$15/hr, while Best Buy/Geek Squad are charging $150+ for the service call. Cut out that middle man and get the jobs yourself.

I am not saying it is easy. I have put a lot of hard work into building a client base but I now have people working for me (and I pay them way better than average).

Ambition people..... put down the channel changer or the video game controller and make some $$$$$$.

The problem in the satellite business is that you can't get much work as an independent, and the providers such as Dish and Direct still dictate what you can make. Doing other things such as what Geek Squad does is also very tough to get because they will include it with the purchase of a tv. Sure what they do is very basic nd the customer does not know that, but they still think it's free.

Trust me I have been working at getting away from the fulfilment business for some time now. I still have to pay the bills, and the way things are right now it's getting very hard to do.

Liquidforce88

Aug 19, 2009

skottey said:
I am referring to installers starting their own business installing cable.

But as far as cabling, you'd have virtually no call backs. It either works or doesn't. Do good work and go out on your own. Trust me, I refer a ton of small businesses and residential wiring jobs to two different guys that do good work. I always follow up with the customer and they are always happy.

Incidentally, I had my DirecTV installed yesterday. New wiring run. He even put in a post with cement for the dish in an area on the side yard that was the only area facing the southwest. It is working great. Heavy rain last night and no problems. The guy was very professional, on time (early actually), and he was tipped for his efforts.

You know the more I thought about this thread the more it upsets me. You are a perfect example. You state how we could make so much money doing this work, if we just go out on our own. Yet you yourself expect an installer to run all new cable spend all kinds of time doing it, and expect to pay NOTHING!

Here in this post you go on to say how he put in a pole, cemented it and probably buried cable all for nothing....OH wait you gave him a tip. HHHmmm was that tip more than the cost of the pole cement and extra time it took to do all that, i'll bet it wasn't.

It all goes back to the fact that everyone wants service for free. The customers want it for free, the providers want it for free, the install companies want it for free. How do you expect anyone to do it if you are not willing to pay for it?

Look at a good 50% of the posts on this board, they all have to do with, how can I get something for free. I want an upgrade, but I don't want to pay for it. I want my service moved, I want my house re-wired, I want programming, I want, I want, I want FREE FREE FREE!!!

I'll tell you what most installers want. We want to get paid a decent living for busting our butt's, risking our lifes, putting up with nasty houses, tolerating inconsiderate and sometimes down right mean people, to do a job most of us like to do. But it appears that some where along the way everyone felt that we installers no longer deserve that. Apparently we are not worth anything to anyone because no one wants to pay for the work we do.

It down right saddens me to think that I have put this much time and effort into this profession. All the effort of learing how to install systems so they meet code, work properly, do not detract from the looks of the house, and keep the customer happy. All the money spent on special tools to do those special things that customers want. All the knowledge that is only accuired over time, and it is worth nothing.

skottey

Aug 19, 2009

Liquidforce88 said:
You know the more I thought about this thread the more it upsets me. You are a perfect example. You state how we could make so much money doing this work, if we just go out on our own. Yet you yourself expect an installer to run all new cable spend all kinds of time doing it, and expect to pay NOTHING!

Here in this post you go on to say how he put in a pole, cemented it and probably buried cable all for nothing....OH wait you gave him a tip. HHHmmm was that tip more than the cost of the pole cement and extra time it took to do all that, i'll bet it wasn't.

It all goes back to the fact that everyone wants service for free. The customers want it for free, the providers want it for free, the install companies want it for free. How do you expect anyone to do it if you are not willing to pay for it?

Look at a good 50% of the posts on this board, they all have to do with, how can I get something for free. I want an upgrade, but I don't want to pay for it. I want my service moved, I want my house re-wired, I want programming, I want, I want, I want FREE FREE FREE!!!

I'll tell you what most installers want. We want to get paid a decent living for busting our butt's, risking our lifes, putting up with nasty houses, tolerating inconsiderate and sometimes down right mean people, to do a job most of us like to do. But it appears that some where along the way everyone felt that we installers no longer deserve that. Apparently we are not worth anything to anyone because no one wants to pay for the work we do.

It down right saddens me to think that I have put this much time and effort into this profession. All the effort of learing how to install systems so they meet code, work properly, do not detract from the looks of the house, and keep the customer happy. All the money spent on special tools to do those special things that customers want. All the knowledge that is only accuired over time, and it is worth nothing.

Hey man, don't confuse the issues. It is the industry itself that has made "free install" in the mindset of us all. We the consumer assume they are paying the tech well enough by subsidizing it with profits from our forthcoming services. They built this mindset. As far as this guy, it was the default setting that he would run new cable, he told me that. He told me right out he would be running new cabling (2 lines) and he suggested the pole thing. I watched him grab a bag of cement. Is he paying for that out of his own pocket or is DirecTV reimbursing the company. I think where I am in FL, they by default run new line because these houses are SO old and have old cabling. I live in a county where 18% of the population is over 85. These are the people that had cable since the 1970s and never got digital and have the original garbage wiring rotting away to their analog TVs. Then, they die or go into a nursing home and the house goes on the market. Well, somebody young comes along and wants HDTV and high speed Internet and that 1970's garbage wiring doesn't cut it. They know that it is going to give them problems, so the default setting is to run new lines.

When I say go out on your own I don't mean for new satellite or cable installs. I am talking about private installs. When contractors build or remodel houses, they need wiring done. Sell yourself as an Ethernet and Coax guy. Run multiple drops to each room. Also, as far as Ethernet, in many of these old homes wireless just plain sucks. I refer a lot of people to have just one Ethernet drop run. These people don't know what it costs. I tell them I am not sure of the cost and let the wiring guy decide a cost. Charge them $150 for 25 feet for all I care. They are getting a problem solved, you are making money. Everyone is happy.

suspendmix

Sep 2, 2009

Sort of back to topic, is there anything preventing me from removing the SWM from my old home and bringing it with me to my new house?

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply 1 minute ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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HipKat

Monday at 8:55 AM

I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

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telstar_1

Monday at 1:22 PM

HipKat said:
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

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Nominal

Monday at 4:30 PM

telstar_1 said:
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.

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dishdude

Monday at 5:05 PM

I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.

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MikeD-C05

24 minutes ago

dishdude said:
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.

I had both the 921 and the 922. I used to buy them from DishDepot.com in Florida and trade in my older owned receiver towards the newest receiver. The 921 was a reboot receiver and the sling part was hit or miss. I look back on all those receivers I paid for over 25 years and I think it was just TV. If I had that money back now I would be lot richer. My Owned Hopper 3 is sitting in a drawer in my office not being used.

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telstar_1

1 minute ago

That was part of the Ergen scheme, to sell the product as well as the service. And who didn't want the best box?

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply 10 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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gms49ers

Today at 10:40 AM

Where's My Thing? - Rush

harshness

Today at 11:08 AM

I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing - Aerosmith

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Bobby

Today at 11:20 AM

Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard

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dishstaller

Today at 11:42 AM

Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent

RaiderPower

10 minutes ago

Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors

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reubenray

Last reply 17 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish vs Streaming Apps?

Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.

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Bruce

17 minutes ago

reubenray said:
Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.

Ask this question in the Internet TV part of the forum, do not feel like getting yelled at, if I answer the questions here.

dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 37 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

You can't even trust the cost per ounce info in grocery stores anymore

I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

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Jimbo

Today at 9:23 AM

dishstaller said:
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

Walmart isn't the only one ...

Juan

Today at 11:17 AM

dishstaller said:
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price

harshness

Today at 11:18 AM

Jimbo said:
Walmart isn't the only one ...

I've been seeing this more and more on Amazon. Sometimes it seems there is no way they could have arrived at the number.

What rankles me even more is Costco changing units of measure between similar products, so you have to convert them to compare prices.

dishstaller

Today at 11:47 AM

Juan said:
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...

Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.

b4pjoe

53 minutes ago

Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.

harshness

37 minutes ago

b4pjoe said:
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.

Bone-in is a well-known and often prized attribute. Adding the tray and the film isn't right.

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 11:26 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness

Sunday at 11:30 AM

I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

harshness

Yesterday at 5:32 PM

harshness said:
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Foxbat

Yesterday at 8:39 PM

harshness said:
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.

Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Bobby

Yesterday at 9:05 PM

Foxbat said:
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.

Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.

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Bobby

Today at 11:21 AM

Regular$5.839
Premium$6.299
Diesel$7.999
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

harshness

Today at 11:26 AM

Foxbat said:
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?

Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.

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Former member 209992

Last reply Today at 11:18 AM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Saturday at 3:21 PM

Ok checked it out and for some reason the web server (NGINX) tried starting before the DNS resolver fully loaded. This is why it worked when I rebooted the machine.

Thanks to ChatGPT it had me change the NGINX config to prevent this from happening again.

With that said I can't prevent the ISP from doing emergency upgrades which was the cause of all of this.

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navychop

Saturday at 3:39 PM

Nature will develop better idiots.

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TRG

Saturday at 4:19 PM

navychop said:
Nature will develop better idiots.

God help us.

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Scott Greczkowski

Monday at 11:15 AM

I guess this is what the downtime was about.

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Scott Greczkowski

Today at 11:18 AM

Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)

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Booredatwork.com

Today at 10:52 AM · posted in BooredAtWork.COM

iPhone Duo Folio Kickstand Case!

Time for another AWESOME video from BoredAtWork!

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RTpsyCQSAgA

Direct YouTube Link - iPhone Duo Folio Kickstand Case!
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Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 10:40 AM · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/14/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261014.xlsx 1,874 KB

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KyL416

Yesterday at 2:37 PM

WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS

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doctor J

Today at 7:22 AM

DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:

No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K	4
HD	264	2	1449
SD mpeg4	145		194
SD mpeg2	433
RB
Audio	89
Push	26
Slate	19		1

TEST Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K
HD			1
SD mpeg4
SD mpeg2
RB
Engr Work	38	-2

The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters

doctor J

Today at 7:23 AM

weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:

Weekly_Analysis_261021.xlsx 16 KB

KyL416

Today at 7:25 AM

HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps

Mr Tony

Today at 10:40 AM

KyL416 said:
HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps

Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.

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Marques Brownlee

Today at 10:32 AM · posted in Marques Brownlee

ASMR iPhone Duo Unboxing

Time for another AWESOME video from Marques Brownlee!

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_4ELeWAgMwo

Direct YouTube Link - ASMR iPhone Duo Unboxing
The official MKBHD Website!
The MKBHD Store

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Booredatwork.com

Today at 10:22 AM · posted in BooredAtWork.COM

iPhone Duo: Is the Bigger Screen Worth It for Games?

Time for another AWESOME video from BoredAtWork!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yufu0zgbWZQ

Direct YouTube Link - iPhone Duo: Is the Bigger Screen Worth It for Games?
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