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Babadem

Last reply Sep 19, 2009 · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

C-Band and Linear KU LNB Motorised

I'm in the process of setting up my 1.2M Dish with a DG380 Motor, so as to obtain maximum signals from both C-Band and KU Band across the arc. To achieve this aim, I have decided to setup Independent C-Band Lnbf, next to KU Band Lnbf. With this option, LNBs with dual outputs will give me access to 2 receivers simultaneously without slaving cable from one box to another. This brings me to ask the following questions.

1) Which LNB should be dead center and which one will be offset?

2) How far apart does the offset have to be from the center LNB, and does it matter if the offset is left or right of the center LNB?

3) Is it always advisable to cut the C-Band Scalar like this picture by QWERT1515 or can KU LNB be placed just next to the realm of the C-Band Scalar without cutting it?

4) Any other tips and pointers will be highly appreciated.

I'm sorry if this has been treated before, but my search didn't give me good results.

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qwert1515

Sep 15, 2009

Babadem said:
1) Which LNB should be dead center and which one will be offset?

The Ku band LNB should be at the center of the dish (the correct focal point) because its wave length and focal point is smaller than it is for C-Band.
This is why you have to be more careful when aligning a Ku band dish vs. a C-Band dish.
If you put the C-Band LNB in the center and the Ku-Band LNB on the side you will lose a lot of signal quality on the Ku-Band (A 1.2 Meter dish will seem like a 36" - 39" dish)
and you will not gain that much on the C-Band signal (The slight gain might be helpful on borderline transponders).

Band Frequency Wavelength
Middle of C-Band - 3.95 GHz - 3.00 inches
Middle of Ku-Band - 11.95 GHz - 0.99 inches

Babadem said:
2) How far apart does the offset have to be from the center LNB, and does it matter if the offset is left or right of the center LNB?

The closer the offset LNB is to the correct focal point of the dish, The stronger the signal quality will be. Also the further away from the correct focal point the LNB is placed,
the less surface area the LNB will see, so you reduce the effective size of the dish seen by the LNB (Lower signal quality).

If the offset LNB is on the right side of the real focal point then the dish has to be pointed more west to pick up a satellite,
and if the offset LNB is on the left side of the dish then the dish will have to be pointed more east to pick up a satellite.

The reason why I decided to place the C-Band LNB on the right side is because where it is positioned it is offset by about 5.5° West
So if I want to pick up C-Band on my furthest Eastern satellite (55.5° west) I need my motor to point at 50.0° West and it can not.
The furthest I can point my dish to is 53° West. With the LNB on the right side I need to point at 61.0° West which my motor can do.

Babadem said:
3) Is it always advisable to cut the C-Band Scalar like this picture by QWERT1515 or can KU LNB be placed just next to the realm of the C-Band Scalar without cutting it?

The reason I cut the scalar was to allow the Ku band LNB to be able to see the whole dish and have the C-Band LNB as close to the real focal point as possible.
(This gives the highest signal quality for an offset LNB).

Babadem

Sep 15, 2009

qwert1515 said:
The Ku band LNB should be at the center of the dish (the correct focal point) because its wave length and focal point is smaller than it is for C-Band.
This is why you have to be more careful when aligning a Ku band dish vs. a C-Band dish.
If you put the C-Band LNB in the center and the Ku-Band LNB on the side you will lose a lot of signal quality on the Ku-Band (A 1.2 Meter dish will seem like a 36" - 39" dish)
and you will not gain that much on the C-Band signal (The slight gain might be helpful on borderline transponders).

Band Frequency Wavelength
Middle of C-Band - 3.95 GHz - 3.00 inches
Middle of Ku-Band - 11.95 GHz - 0.99 inches

The closer the offset LNB is to the correct focal point of the dish, The stronger the signal quality will be. Also the further away from the correct focal point the LNB is placed,
the less surface area the LNB will see, so you reduce the effective size of the dish seen by the LNB (Lower signal quality).

If the offset LNB is on the right side of the real focal point then the dish has to be pointed more west to pick up a satellite,
and if the offset LNB is on the left side of the dish then the dish will have to be pointed more east to pick up a satellite.

The reason why I decided to place the C-Band LNB on the right side is because where it is positioned it is offset by about 5.5° West
So if I want to pick up C-Band on my furthest Eastern satellite (55.5° west) I need my motor to point at 50.0° West and it can not.
The furthest I can point my dish to is 53° West. With the LNB on the right side I need to point at 61.0° West which my motor can do.

The reason I cut the scalar was to allow the Ku band LNB to be able to see the whole dish and have the C-Band LNB as close to the real focal point as possible.
(This gives the highest signal quality for an offset LNB).

Have you had any experience setting up any of the Combined C\Ku LNBs on a MiniBud?

qwert1515

Sep 15, 2009

Babadem said:
Have you had any experience setting up any of the Combined C\Ku LNBs on a MiniBud?

Yes, I am using the Dual Band C-band and KU-band LNBF (GEOSATpro CK1) and I have had better luck using a dedicated Ku band LNB at the correct focal point.
When I had the Dual LNB in the center I had a Ku signal with a quality of around 40% - 50% on my Pansat. Removing the same LNB from the Dual fixture and placing it at the focal point gave me a 90% quality.

Babadem

Sep 16, 2009

qwert1515 said:
Yes, I am using the Dual Band C-band and KU-band LNBF (GEOSATpro CK1) and I have had better luck using a dedicated Ku band LNB at the correct focal point.
When I had the Dual LNB in the center I had a Ku signal with a quality of around 40% - 50% on my Pansat. Removing the same LNB from the Dual fixture and placing it at the focal point gave me a 90% quality.

Thanks qwert1515! Did your C-band "Q" signal decrease as a result of it being offset, as compared to when it was centered? I Would appreciate it if you can post picture(s) of your setup here for a close observation and placement of the LNBs?

Edit: Since this is a motorized setup will the skew for the offset C-band be "0" too?

qwert1515

Sep 16, 2009

Babadem said:
Thanks qwert1515! Did your C-band "Q" signal decrease as a result of it being offset, as compared to when it was centered? I Would appreciate it if you can post picture(s) of your setup here for a close observation and placement of the LNBs?

Edit: Since this is a motorized setup will the skew for the offset C-band be "0" too?

I lost a little bit of quality from the C-Band LNB being offset, about 5% on the Pansat meter.

The skew will be close to zero, but it will not be zero because when the dish is pointing at your true south satellite the offset LNB is pointing 5° away from your true south satellite.

EDIT - Do you still want pictures of my setup?

Babadem

Sep 16, 2009

qwert1515 said:
I lost a little bit of quality from the C-Band LNB being offset, about 5% on the Pansat meter.

The skew will be close to zero, but it will not be zero because when the dish is pointing at your true south satellite the offset LNB is pointing 5° away from your true south satellite.

EDIT - Do you still want pictures of my setup?

Yes, I would like to see the pictures, and thanks for the clarification.

qwert1515

Sep 17, 2009

Babadem said:
Yes, I would like to see the pictures, and thanks for the clarification.

Luckily there was no damage

Here are a few more pictures, if there is anything specific you want to see that the pictures don't show, let me know.

Babadem

Sep 18, 2009

qwert1515 said:
Luckily there was no damage

Here are a few more pictures, if there is anything specific you want to see that the pictures don't show, let me know.

Thanks qwert1515! I will study those pictures intensely.

It appears you modified the Standard Scalar ring to a semi Conical scalar. What kind of signal "Q" were you geeting before adding the modification?

Edit: What was the center LNB looking at when the picture was taken?

putney

Sep 18, 2009

Here's my current prime 84e setup. The scaler on the bsc421 improved the Q ten points to 40Q on the low and 60Q on one TP. My C-band is 8ºw of center.

I have problems with RTN. With the aluminum on the Ku my Q goes from a bouncing 35Q to a steady 35Q with occasional evening peaks to 55Q. My CNX duo's threshold is 35Q.

A round dish my do better.

Babadem

Sep 18, 2009

putney said:
Here's my current prime 84e setup. The scaler on the bsc421 improved the Q ten points to 40Q on the low and 60Q on one TP. My C-band is 8ºw of center.

I have problems with RTN. With the aluminum on the Ku my Q goes from a bouncing 35Q to a steady 35Q with occasional evening peaks to 55Q. My CNX duo's threshold is 35Q.

A round dish my do better.

Nice Setup Putney, and thanks. Using your description above, I take it the C-band is looking at Galaxy 17 91°W . This is a stationary setup(fixed), I believe.

putney

Sep 18, 2009

Babadem said:
Nice Setup Putney, and thanks. Using your description above, I take it the C-band is looking at Galaxy 17 91°W . This is a stationary setup(fixed), I believe.

No, I've got a motor. It's a SG-6000.
I'm at 90.6ºw so 91ºw is my most southern (strongest) sat.

Here's what I pulled when the C-band was centered:

After tweaking the scaler and LNB, I was able to hit C-band on 91w, 113w, 118.8, 123w, 125w, 127w. ( I dropped the LNB and angled it up higher on the dish as suggested) Some were just locks on empty TPs (118.8), but I peaked at 75Q on one TP on 91w. All in all successful at finding strong C-band signals, but it was all christian broadcasting, which is already abundant on Ku. My Ku on a 15º offset tracked the arc and locked on 85% of the signals I had when the LNB was centered, but the signals were down 30Q points.

and a link:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/free-air-fta-discussion/186725-mini-bud-p-dish-question.html

Babadem

Sep 18, 2009

putney said:
No, I've got a motor. It's a SG-6000.
I'm at 90.6ºw so 91ºw is my most southern (strongest) sat.

Here's what I pulled when the C-band was centered:

and a link:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/free-air-fta-discussion/186725-mini-bud-p-dish-question.html

Thanks for the update!

Babadem

Sep 18, 2009

With 72°W my true south satellite, if I use 72°W KU at the center, which C-band satellite, can I use as a guide to setup my offset C-band satellite or how many degrees off can i place the C-Band? The nearest C-Band satellite West of 72°W is 15° off and to my east is 58°W and 14° off?

qwert1515

Sep 19, 2009

Babadem said:
Edit: What was the center LNB looking at when the picture was taken?

The center LNB was looking at 99° West Ku.

I would move the dish over to ~ 78° and try to peak the offset LNB's position and skew on 72°, then move the dish over to your most Eastern/Western C-Band satellites and check / re-peak them.

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reubenray said:
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

amazon maybe :what

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I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

owens on amazon is 54.99 for a 4 pk 16 oz a sausage. i feel that's kind of steep!!!

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id'e rather make my own vs store bought.

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owens on amazon is 54.99 for a 4 pk 16 oz a sausage. i feel that's kind of steep!!!

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Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
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