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zamar23
Last reply · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion
Multiple Prof Tuners on the same PC

The advice received from Prof tech support on using two or more Prof PCI, PCI-e or USB tuner devices of the same model simultaneously in Windows (XP SP3 suggested for testing) with Prof BDA-Driver:

- install first Prof card into a motherboard slot or connect to a PC's USB port, and install its driver
- duplicate the card's BDA driver under a new name in its installation directory (usually C:\Windows\System32\Drivers)
- correct the driver file name in its .inf file located in .inf files depository (usually C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository)
- install second Prof card, reboot the PC and point Windows "Add New Hardware" Wizard to the edited .inf file to install second driver
- find available and change IRQ Interrupt Request number for the 2-nd card in Device Manager making it different from the 1-st card
- run both cards with AltDVB, DVBDream or ProgDVB to watch 2 different Sat TV channels simultaneously

Some points above may need correction or details. Anyone wants to check the validity of this method and add some beef to it in terms of details or a Picture Tutorial?
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zamar23
Talking about DVBDream, its cited on its beta forum:
"Microsoft DID NOT transfer any DiSEqC-commands via Window's-BDA-System ! ! !

This must be done by a turnaround in directly 'talking' to the driver ! ! !

If you may own a TwinHan-Card (e.g. 1041) it may work with my BDA_ALL because i implemented the whole IO-CTRL-Interface to handle DiSEqC, CI/CAM, remote and more.
Also DiSEqC 1.2 is possible with that Device-Interface to steer a rotor.
But this all might work on a TwinHan-Card ! ! !

To implement same features and capability for Technotrend (and other same like OEM's) it is nessecary to implement the TT-API also as well. I need to have each OEM's SDK and implement it.

DD (and tools / modules / interfaces) is freeware and will be developed after work."

It seems that many issues are related to immature BDA-driver architecture implemented by MS so far. Some issues with 7500 may be resulting from DVBDream developer not having this tuner yet at hand. It may benefit the outcome, if you try XP SP3 and especially Win 7 with improved BDA support.

I've sent your report on DVBDream 1.4i issues to Prof, but I think resolving issues of this obsolete version is a dead cause. Pls post your findings with DVBDream 1.5.7b in DVBDream beta forum, and findings with DVBDream 1.4i in their regular forum, as their developer asks. Sure, it'll be fixed faster this way compare to resolving via Prof. Try running 2 sessions of DVBDream 1.5.7b to see, if it supports 2 identical Prof tuners this way. I "think", TeVii shown the pics of this version with their 2 tuners S660, which was posted in DVB World thread here, if it wasn't a bluff. :)

On DVBDream Forum there are user instructions on running "multiple instances" of DVBDream. As per Prof, multiple identical Prof cards with BDA-drivers should run simultaneously in this scenario without a problem, no mods required. Pls try. Can you also try 2 identical Prof tuners in ProgDVB or MyTheater to see if both show pics simultaneously.
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It seems that many issues are related to immature BDA-driver architecture implemented by MS so far. Some issues with 7500 may be resulting from DVBDream developer not having this tuner yet at hand. It may benefit the outcome, if you try XP SP3 and especially Win 7 with improved BDA support.

My 7500 stability test has been running perfectly with DVB Dream 1.5.7b and XP SP3 for the past 14 hours. I can't prove a negative, but I am encouraged. It is hard to find anyone who would argue that Microsoft got the BDA architecture completely right. There are glaring omissions that clearly show a lack of understanding on their part. We will likely be dealing with hacks for quite some time in order to workaround these problems.

I've sent your report on DVBDream 1.4i issues to Prof, but I think resolving issues of this obsolete version is a dead cause. Pls post your findings with DVBDream 1.5.7b in DVBDream beta forum, and findings with DVBDream 1.4i in their regular forum, as their developer asks. Sure, it'll be fixed faster this way compare to resolving via Prof. Try running 2 sessions of DVBDream 1.5.7b to see, if it supports 2 identical Prof tuners this way. I "think", TeVii shown the pics of this version with their 2 tuners S660, which was posted in DVB World thread here, if it wasn't a bluff. :)

I already tried identical tuners a few days ago on 1.5.7b. I don't think this problem has anything to do with DVB Dream, as only one device shows up in it's BDA enumeration. It could be the problem is in Prof's bda.dev module for DVB Dream, but I had the same problem with the latest beta of My Theatre. A number of months back the DVB World drivers had the same issue. With the newer drivers one can now see two DVB World tuners listed and attach them to different copies of DVB Dream. They tune and command the two devices just fine. However only one DVB Dream can get a TS. The other tuner sends nothing. It seems DVB Dream can handle two identical BDA devices and TeVii may have figured out how to finish the job on the driver side. DVB World is getting close and Prof has a ways to go. Denial is normally the first step.

On DVBDream Forum there are user instructions on running "multiple instances" of DVBDream. As per Prof, multiple identical Prof cards with BDA-drivers should run simultaneously in this scenario without a problem, no mods required. Pls try. Can you also try 2 identical Prof tuners in ProgDVB or MyTheater to see if both show pics simultaneously.

I've been running multiple instances of DVB Dream for over a year, so I'm familiar with the drill. This is precisely the way I tested DVB Dream 1.4i and 1.5.7b last week with two 7301s and then two 7500s. Only one device shows up for selection. My Theatre had the identical problem but I only tried it once. I have received two emails today from Prof stating that two identical units will not work, but two different units will. That's what I've been seeing. I may try some other programs like DVB Viewer, AltDVB and ProgDVB with the instruction outline you posted if I get a chance, but this is beginning to look like a dead end.
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I took a few minutes of time out to see if I could get something to work with multiple Prof tuners. I brought my Windows machine to XP SP3 with all the latest updates. I plugged two 7301 PCI tuners (driver level 1.1.1.0) and two 7500 USB tuners (driver level 1.0.1.3) into the same machine. I can get one 7301 and one 7500 to work together, but that's it. Here are the gory details on the identical unit tests:


DVB Dream 1.5.7b:

Using the Prof bda.dev module, my BDA selection choices are limited to one 7301 and one 7500. Therefore I can't run any identical unit tests. DiSEqC 1.0 and 1.1 are correctly sent to my switches.

Using the bda.dev module that installs with DVB Dream, I can see two 7301 and two 7500 tuners interestingly enough. However only one of each works. With the 7301 I can't get a reliable lock on the second unit and with the second 7500 DVB Dream crashes the moment I select it. This bda module is unable to send any DiSEqC commands, which is the reason the other exists.


My Theatre 4.00b11

My Theatre sees four tuners, but only the first of each type works. With the second 7301, the levels bounce all over the place and nothing seems to lock. If I select the second 7500, the system reboots when I bring up MT again (this is the only way to switch to a different tuner). It did not seem that DiSEqC commands were being sent properly as I could only connect to my default dish.


AltDVB 2.2b3912

AltDVB only saw one 7301 and 7500 and I could not test identical units. There is a Prof bda module for this program, just like DVB Dream, and it probably isn't surprising that they behave the same. I have never used this program before, but I did not see a way to command two cascaded DiSEqC switches (1.1 followed by 1.0). Therefore I didn't test the DiSEqC commanding.


ProgDVB 6.2.3

This program behaved erratically and it was hard to establish whether something would work or not because it kept forgetting some of the configurations I had just entered. It does see two 7301s and two 7500s. Because of its amnesia I had to first disable the 7500 units to test the 7301s and vice versa. Otherwise I would probably be fighting it all night long. I could get the first 7301 to lock perfectly. ProgDVB claimed the second 7301 scanned something, but the results were bogus. I never was able to lock anything on the first 7500, and choosing the second 7500 crashed the system. I saw no indication that DiSEqC commands were going out to my switches as I was only able to connect to my default dish in spite of all the laborious setup I had entered.


I think I've beat this horse to death. Some apps show more hope than others, but none of them can use two identical Prof tuners. DVB Dream seems to be the only one in this rogues' gallery that can actually command both DiSEqC 1.0 and 1.1, but I have to enter the raw commands in hex to get this to work. DVB Viewer does this part much better, but it's not keyed for the machine I was using for this test. It seems the Prof drivers are causing some of these problems as a number of the programs can see all four tuners. But none can use the second 7301 or 7500 and crashes result with the second 7500. The Prof BDA modules only see one 7301 and one 7500, which might be another limiting factor for the applications that require them.
zamar23
It looks there's a lot more to it than was originally expected. Given massive popularity of 2-card solution in the region these cards primarily target (one for internet in under wired regions, another for TV), it looks like the problem of supporting 2 identical cards is complex enough to crack. I found no mentioning of it resolved whatsoever apart from the TeVii support's 2-screen pic. I wonder if this pic is genuine, as it seems to be typical for card developers to analyze others' drivers and copy useful solutions. Why they didn't?

Having said this, can you try to follow Prof's instructions from 1-st post of this thread to check how it goes for two 7301 PCI cards in ProgDVB and DVBDream? I.e., can you assign different IRQ numbers to both cards, etc - just in case, we'll be lucky? I wonder if this advice on renaming identical BDA drivers can help?
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Having said this, can you try to follow Prof's instructions from 1-st post of this thread to check how it goes for two 7301 PCI cards in ProgDVB and DVBDream? I.e., can you assign different IRQ numbers to both cards, etc - just in case, we'll be lucky? I wonder if this advice on renaming identical BDA drivers can help?

Tried yesterday and didn't work. The PCI cards have different IRQs on my system by default and of course USB devices don't have any. A simple rename of the driver file and all the corresponding changes in the inf file did not work for me. I uninstalled everything, deleted all the existing files and cleaned out the registry manually. After all of this failed I started to go off the deep end by setting up permutations of separate registry entries and different bylines in the inf file, but not too surprisingly that didn't help. Some of that is likely keyed to the code itself.

I considered making hex patches to the driver, but instead I slammed on the brakes because I had put more time into this than the developers and it isn't important enough to me to go to crazy extremes. I've proved to myself there isn't a simple solution to this problem, and until Prof is able to show the contrary or step up to the plate, I consider this to be in their court. It's their product to sell.
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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HipKat
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
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I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
Nominal
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.
dishdude
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
MikeD-C05
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
I had both the 921 and the 922. I used to buy them from DishDepot.com in Florida and trade in my older owned receiver towards the newest receiver. The 921 was a reboot receiver and the sling part was hit or miss. I look back on all those receivers I paid for over 25 years and I think it was just TV. If I had that money back now I would be lot richer. My Owned Hopper 3 is sitting in a drawer in my office not being used.
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That was part of the Ergen scheme, to sell the product as well as the service. And who didn't want the best box?

Maybe they went to the hopper because they were running out of 3-digit model #s- 1022 would have been kinda clunky. Folks would have tried to say "one-thousand and twenty two" instead of "ten-twenty-two".

Like some say "two thousand and twenty six".
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share
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Juan
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price
dishstaller
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
b4pjoe
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
harshness
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
Bone-in is a well-known and often prized attribute. Adding the tray and the film isn't right.
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Juan
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
You are paying for the whole thing
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You are paying for the whole thing
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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navychop
Nature will develop better idiots.
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TRG
Nature will develop better idiots.
God help us.
Scott Greczkowski
I guess this is what the downtime was about.

IMG_0607.webp
Scott Greczkowski
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
Foxbat
I saw that, wasn't sure if PHP was employed by XenForo or not.
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Yup thats what xenforo is written in, php.

But all patched now. :)
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Where's My Thing? - Rush
harshness
I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing - Aerosmith
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Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard
dishstaller
Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
RaiderPower
Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors
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Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
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Bruce
Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
USA and SyFy content is on Peacock, you can the rest of those channels via Philo, only $25 a month.

dfergie
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.
Bobby
Regular$5.839​
Premium$6.299​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?
Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.
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Gary Toma
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
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HD​
264​
2​
1449​
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SD mpeg4​
145​
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194​
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SD mpeg2​
433​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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1​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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RB​
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Engr Work​
38​
-2​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.
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