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Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Dish Network Corp. and EchoStar Corp. asked an appeals court to throw out a lower court's order that the companies stop using a digital-video recording service that the court had said infringes a TiVo Inc. patent.

Barring Dish and EchoStar's service "is not a meaningful remedy," Seth Waxman, an attorney for the companies, told a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington.

Dish, the second-biggest U.S. satellite-television provider, was ordered to shut down its DVR service by U.S. District Judge David Folsom in Marshall, Texas, who ruled June 2 that it continues to infringe a patent owned by TiVo, a pioneer of digital-video recording services.

The appeals court later said it would allow Dish's customers with their digital-video recorders to continue using the service while company appealed Folsom's ruling.

Read the rest at Dish Asks Appeal Court to Allow Recording-Service Use (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
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First off, the above news report did not even get the attorney's name right, Mr. Waxman was TiVo's attorney, not E*'s.

Second, anyone who has listened to the oral argument audio clip will tell you it does not look good for TiVo. If you do not believe me, just go read the TiVo investors' forums, when you see those investors trashing Judge Rader calling him a moron and clueless, you know something was up:)

I just hope they realize Judge Rader is Judge Folsom's boss.
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Voyager6,

Actually, even though the thread at the link you provided is nearly two hundred and fifty pages long, from a previous examination I saw a lot of opinion that was not at all supported by documentation, or clearly made by people seemingly without the legal expertise to offer a valid fact based opinion. Some of it is, and while some of the remarks are interesting and apparently written by people with sound legal reasoning when this one rolled onto the forum list I decided to take the time and make my post. In fact, none of the questions I posed above were directly addressed unless you would wish to point me to the specific page.

I am not sure why the wave off with the statement "You are coming in pretty late into the discussion." I think objective readers will look at what I posted and draw their own conclusions as to its validity, timeliness, objectivity and general interest. I appreciate your input if for no other reason that it points to a very thorough discussion anyone interested in the case should review.

Edited to add: Tip of the hat to Greg Bimson as he squarely tried to keep the legal discussion factually on point. Having missed the remark that the thread was going to be locked for a while and then moved to the war zone; rather than coming in late it appears what I really did was wade into some kind of minefield. I hope my post to this thread is taken as intended, trying to similarly keep the discussion fact based. I really do not understand the emotional vitriol this topic engenders.

Regards,

Phil
Voyager6
My point was that this discussion has been going on at SatGuys for literally years. You just joined SatGuys in September. Now, years after the initial trial and after the appeal and after the sanctions hearing, you come along and demand credentials, references and specific links. Yes, you are late to join the discussion.
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In other words, he is in the wrong place and wrong time to ask those questions:) He sounded like someone who just arrived from Mars, even you had missed him on the way here, Voyager:)

So a few pointers for you. Earthly creatures are operated by emotions, the same facts can yield entirely different opinions on Earth, by creatures of equally high credentials, and late comers on Earth usually get what is left, which often times is something much less than nothing.
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jacmyoung - What is your rationale ?

Second, anyone who has listened to the oral argument audio clip will tell you it does not look good for TiVo.

On what grounds to you feel this is moving against TiVo ?

1) Is the Software Work-Around still on the Table? Folsom said no. Is that what E* is appealing ?

2) Something related to the judgment/penalty. It's excessive and must be reevaluated ?

3) Then there's the PTO patent reexamination. That just seems like a big wild card. Depends on the timing. My understanding it that even if the patent is invalidated it doesn't effect prior awards or rulings. Would this be why E* will wait as long as possible to pay the next 200M installment ?

Or E* will pay TiVo month-2-month while they wait for the Patent Decision.
J
On what grounds to you feel this is moving against TiVo ?

I already said, on the ground that the TiVo investors did not like what they heard:)

Seriously, this is Judge Rader's words at the beginning of the hearing:

"Infringing is all we can enjoin, of course!"

He then grilled the E* attorney why E* did not bring the issue to the appeals court during the last appeal. Had E* tried to clarify the issue, "we could have with a stroke of our pen [ordered the injunction vacated and/or modified]..."

E*'s response of course was, why? Based on our interpretation, the injunction only enjoined the "Infringing Products", why would we have imagined anything else and needed to clarify it?

1) Is the Software Work-Around still on the Table? Folsom said no. Is that what E* is appealing ?

Judge Rader then grilled the TiVo attorney mostly on the design around issue, asking him how could TiVo say the PID filter analyzed the audio and video data when the data were scrambled before they hit the PID filter? The response was, but not all data were scrambled.

By such response, Judge Rader got the TiVo attorney to admit the PID filter could not analyze audio and video data if the data were scrambled. That admission alone refutes TiVo's contention the PID filter analyzes audio and video data. That IMHO should be enough to throw out TiVo's infringement theory.

2) Something related to the judgment/penalty. It's excessive and must be reevaluated ?

Not a single word about the sanctions. You would think if the appeals court had any inclination to uphold Judge Folsom's ruling, they would at least asked parties' positions on how much should be the right amount of the sanctions? Draw your own conclusion on that one.

3) Then there's the PTO patent reexamination. That just seems like a big wild card. Depends on the timing. My understanding it that even if the patent is invalidated it doesn't effect prior awards or rulings. Would this be why E* will wait as long as possible to pay the next 200M installment ?

Not a word of it. Is it even necessary?

Or E* will pay TiVo month-2-month while they wait for the Patent Decision.

There has never been any intention by the court to impose a compulsory licensing agreement.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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dishstaller
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It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. :eek

Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.

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Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I'm Easy - Keith Carridine
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It's Easy - Boston
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Take It Easy On Me - Little River Band
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Take It Easy - The Eagles
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DIRECTV Stream/Internet added Ch 4105 SportsGrid
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Now live:
4101 Yahoo! Sports Network
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Now live:
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Game Show Central is now live on channel 4342
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Now live:
4101 Yahoo! Sports Network
4121 DP World Tour
4195 F1 Channel
4196 MotoGP Channel
It only took them 41 days to announce it
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Now testing:
AyM Sports 3 USA
Best Bets TV powered by VSiN
CBS Sports Golazo Network
CBS Sports HQ
Judge Judy
TWiT Tech Podcast Network
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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Club sandwich and corn chowder. Iced tea.
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Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)
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Leftover wanton soup and pork fried rice. Water.
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Sweet tea…
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Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.
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Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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arlo
A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.
dishstaller
That's all I got.
That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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b4pjoe
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc
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…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.
harshness
If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

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Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.