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HDNet Movies / December

December 2009 Programming Highlights

*All times listed are Eastern Standard Time
*Please check the complete Program Schedule or HDNet Movies for additional film, dates and times

PROGRAM SPECIALS
Star Trek Double Feature
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock – Saturday, December 5th at 8:05pm
Starring William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley. Directed by Leonard Nimoy
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home – Saturday, December 5th at 10:00pm
Starring William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley. Directed by Leonard Nimoy Academy Award nominations for Best Sound Effects Editing, Best Cinematography, Best Sound, Best Original Score

Clint Eastwood Directed Films
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The Bridges of Madison County
Starring Clint Eastwood, Meryl Streep, Annie Corley. Directed by Clint Eastwood
Academy Award nomination for Best Actress: Meryl Streep
Golden Globe nomination for Best Motion Picture: Drama and Best Motion Picture Actress: Meryl Streep

The Gauntlet
Starring Clint Eastwood, Sondra Locke, Pat Hingle. Directed by Clint Eastwood

Pale Rider
Starring Clint Eastwood, Micheal Moriarty, Carrie Snodgress. Directed by Clint Eastwood

A Perfect World
Starring Kevin Costner, Clint Eastwood, Laura Dern. Directed by Clint Eastwood

A Nightmare on Elm Street Triple Feature

A Nightmare on Elm Street –
Friday, December 4th at 10:00pm
Starring Robert Englund, Ronee Blakey, Heather Langenkamp. Directed by Wes Craven

A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge –
premieres Friday, December 4th at 11:35pm
Robert Englund, Kim Meyers, Robert Rusler. Directed by Jack Sholder

A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors –
late night Friday, December 4th at 1:05am
Starring Patricia Arquette, Robert Englund, Heather Langenkamp. Directed by Chuck Russell

SPOTLIGHT FEATURES –
Highlighted feature films airing on HDNet Movies
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City Slickers II: The Legend of Curly's Gold –
Friday, December 11th at 8:00pm
Starring Billy Crystal, Daniel Stern, Jack Palance. Directed by Paul Weiland

Close Encounters of the Third Kind –
Saturday, December 5th at 5:45pm
Starring Richard Dreyfus, Francois Truffaut, Teri Garr. Directed by Steven Spielberg
Academy Award winner for Best Cinematography
Academy Award nominations for Best Director, Effects, Supporting Actress: Melinda Dillon, Film Editing,
Sound, Music and Art Direction – Set Decoration
Golden Globe Award nominations for Best Motion Picture – Drama, Best Motion Picture Director, Best Screenplay and Best Original Score

Gremlins –
premieres Friday, December 4th at 8:05pm
Starring Zach Galligan, Phoebe Cates, Hoyt Axton. Directed by Joe Dante

A Man Apart –
premieres Thursday, December 10th at 8:00pm
Starring Vin Diesel, Larenz Tate, Timothy Olyphant. Directed by F. Gary Gray

National Lampoon's Vacation –
Tuesday, December 8th at 10:00pm
Starring Chevy Chase, Beverly D'Angelo, Anthony Michael Hall. Directed by Harold Ramis

Pale Rider –
Wednesday, December 9th at 8:00pm
Starring Clint Eastwood, Michael Moriarty, Carrie Snodgress. Directed by Clint Eastwood

The Shining –
Saturday, December 12th at 8:00pm
Starring Jack Nicholson, Shelley Duvall, Danny Lloyd. Directed by Stanley Kubrick

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock –
premieres Saturday December 5th at 8:05pm
Starring William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley. Directed by Leonard Nimoy

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home –
premieres Saturday, December 5th at 10:00pm
Starring William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley. Directed by Leonard Nimoy
Academy Award nominations for Best Sound Effects Editing, Best Cinematography, Best Sound, Best Original Score

While You Were Sleeping –
premieres Monday, December 7th at 8:15pm
Starring Sandra Bullock, Bill Pullman, Peter Gallagher. Directed by Jon Turtletaub
Golden Globe Award nomination for Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture – Comedy/Musical: Sandra
Bullock

HIGH DEFINITION PREMIERES –
Films broadcast in High Definition for the first time on television
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The Confession
Starring Alec Baldwin, Ben Kingsley, Amy Irving. Directed by David Hugh Jones

Serious Moonlight
Starring Kristen Bell, Justin Long, Meg Ryan. Directed by Cheryl Hines

Spies Like Us
Starring Chevy Chase, Dan Aykroyd, Steve Forrest. Directed by John Landis

NATIONAL FILM REGISTRY –
HDNet Movies presents American Films selected by the Library of Congress for historical and
cultural preservation. For more information on film preservation, visit National Film Preservation Board (Library of Congress) and National Film Preservation Foundation
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The Bridge On the River Kwai
Starring William Holden, Jack Hawkins, Alec Guinness. Directed by David Lean
Academy Award winner for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Cinematography, Best Film Editing, Best Actor:
Alec Guinness,
Best Supporting Actor: Sessue Hayakawa, Best Music: Scoring, and Best Writing
Golden Globe Award winner for Best Motion Picture – Drama, Best Motion Picture Director, Best Motion Picture
Actor: Alec Guinness
Golden Globe Award nomination for Best Motion Picture Supporting Actor: Sessue Hayakawa

Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Starring Richard Dreyfus, Francois Truffaut, Teri Garr. Directed by Steven Spielberg
Academy Award winner for Best Cinematography
Academy Award nominations for Best Director, Effects, Supporting Actress: Melinda Dillon, Film Editing,
Sound, Music and Art Direction – Set Decoration
Golden Globe Award nominations for Best Motion Picture – Drama, Best Motion Picture Director, Best
Screenplay and Best Original Score

Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
Starring Peter Sellers, George C. Scott, Sterling Hayden. Directed by Stanley Kubrick
Academy Award nominations for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Writing and Best Actor: Peter Sellers

The Graduate
Starring Dustin Hoffman, Anne Bancroft, Katharine Ross. Directed by Mike Nichols
Academy Award winner for Best Director – Mike Nichols
Academy Award nominations for Best Picture, Best Cinematography, Best Actress – Anne Bancroft,
Best Actor – Dustin Hoffman, Best Supporting Actress – Katharine Ross, Best Writing
Golden Globe Award winner for Best Motion Picture – Musical/Comedy, Best Motion Picture Director, Best
Motion Picture Actress – Anne Bancroft, Most Promising Newcomer – Dustin Hoffman, Most Promising
Newcomer – Katharine Ross, Golden Globe Award nominations for Best Motion Picture Actor – Dustin Hoffman and Best Screenplay

Hoosiers
Starring Gene Hackman, Barbara Hershey, Dennis Hopper. Directed by David Anspaugh
Academy Award nominations for Best Actor in a Supporting Role: Dennis Hopper and Best Original Score
Golden Globe Award nomination for Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role in a Motion Picture: Dennis Hopper

Mean Streets
Starring Robert De Niro, Harvey Keitel, David Proval. Directed by Martin Scorsese

The Music Man
Starring Robert Preston, Shirley Jones, Buddy Hackett. Directed by Morton DaCosta
Academy Award winner for Best Music –scoring of music
Academy Award nomination for Best Art Direction-Set Decoration, Best Sound, Best Costume Design, Best Film Editing
Golden Globe Award winner for Best Motion Picture – Musical
Golden Globe Award nomination for Best Motion Picture Director, Best Motion Picture Actor: Robert Preston, Best Motion
Picture Actress: Shirley Jones, Best Motion Picture Supporting Actress: Hermione Gingold, Best Motion Picture Score

In Retro –
Memorable Classic movies airing Sunday Nights and throughout the month

Anatomy of a Murder –
Sunday, December 6th at 5:17pm
Starring James Stewart, Lee Remick, Ben Gazzara. Directed by Otto Preminger
Academy Award nominations for Best Picture, Best Actor: James Stewart, Best Supporting Actor: George C. Scott, Best Supporting Actor: Arthur O'Connell, Best Writing, Best Film Editing, Best Cinematography
Golden Globe Award nominations for Best Motion Picture – Drama, Best Motion Picture Director, Best Motion Picture Actress: Lee Remick, Best Motion Picture Supporting Actor: Joseph N. Welch

Shenandoah –
Sunday, December 6th at 8:05pm
Starring James Stewart, Doug McClure, Patrick Wayne. Directed by Andrew V. McLaglen
Academy Award nomination for Best Sound
Golden Globe Award nomination for Most Promising Newcomer: Rosemary Forsyth

The Man From Laramie –
Sunday, December 6th at 10:00pm
Starring James Stewart Arthur Kennedy, Donald Crisp. Directed by Anthony Mann

The Gauntlet –
premieres Sunday, December 13th at 8:35pm
Starring Clint Eastwood, Sondra Locke, Pat Hingle. Directed by Clint Eastwood

Coogans' Bluff –
Sunday, December 13th at 10:30pm
Starring Clint Eastwood, Lee J. Cobb, Susan Clark. Directed by Donald Siegel

From Here to Eternity -
premieres Sunday, December 20th at 6:15pm
Starring Burt Lancaster, Montgomery Clift, Deborah Kerr. Directed by Fred Zinnemann
Academy Award winner for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Supporting Actress: Donna Reed, Best Supporting Actor: Frank Sinatra, Best Cinematography, Best Sound Recording, Best Film Editing, and Best Writing
Academy Award nominations for Best Actor: Burt Lancaster, Best Actor: Montgomery Clift, Best Actress: Deborah Kerr, Best Costume Design and Best Music
Golden Globe Award winner for Best Motion Picture Director and Best Supporting Actor: Frank Sinatra

The Bridge On the River Kwai –
Sunday, December 20th at 8:15pm
Starring William Holden, Jack Hawkins, Alec Guinness. Directed by David Lean
Academy Award winner for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Cinematography, Best Film Editing, Best Actor:
Alec Guinness,
Best Supporting Actor: Sessue Hayakawa, Best Music: Scoring, and Best Writing
Golden Globe Award winner for Best Motion Picture – Drama, Best Motion Picture Director, Best Motion Picture Actor: Alec Guinness
Golden Globe Award nomination for Best Motion Picture Supporting Actor: Sessue Hayakawa

Close Encounters of the Third Kind –
Sunday, December 27th at 7:15pm
Starring Richard Dreyfus, Francois Truffaut, Teri Garr. Directed by Steven Spielberg
Academy Award winner for Best Cinematography
Academy Award nominations for Best Director, Effects, Supporting Actress: Melinda Dillon, Film Editing,
Sound, Music and Art Direction – Set Decoration
Golden Globe Award nominations for Best Motion Picture – Drama, Best Motion Picture Director, Best Screenplay and Best Original Score

The Shining –
Sunday, December 27th at 9:35pm
Starring Jack Nicholson, Shelley Duvall, Danny Lloyd. Directed by Stanley Kubrick

Black Christmas –
late night Sunday, December 27th at 12:00am
Starring Olivia Hussy, Keir Dullea, Margot Kidder. Directed by Bob Clark

ART HOUSE CINEMA –
Independent films, foreign films and documentaries
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Amores Perros
Starring Emilio Echevarria, Gael Garcia Bernal, Goya Toledo. Directed by Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu
Academy Award nomination for Best Foreign Language Film
Golden Globe Award nomination for Best Foreign Language Film

Auto Focus
Starring Greg Kinnear, Willem Dafoe, Rita Wilson. Directed by Paul Schrader

Blue Velvet
Starring Isabella Rossellini, Kyle MacLachlan, Dennis Hopper. Directed by David Lynch
Academy Award nomination for Best Director
Golden Globe Award nominations for Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role: Dennis Hopper, and Best Motion Picture Screenplay

Dear Frankie
Starring Emily Mortimer, Jack McElhone, Mary Riggans. Directed by Shona Auerbach

Good Night, and Good Luck.
Starring David Strathairn, George Clooney, Patricia Clarkson. Directed by George Clooney
Academy Award nominations for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay, Best Cinematography,
Best Art Direction, Best Lead Actor: David Strathairn
Golden Globe Award nominations for Best Motion Picture – Drama, Best Motion Picture Director, Best Motion
Picture Screenplay, Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture: David Strathairn

Infernal Affairs
Starring Tony Leung, Andy Lau, Anthony Wong. Directed by Andrew Lau

Like Water for Chocolate
Starring Lumi Cavazos, Regina Torne, Marco Leonardi. Directed by Alfonso Arau
Golden Globe Award nomination for Best Foreign Language Film, Mexico

The Limey
Starring Terrence Stamp, Peter Fonda, Lesley Ann Warren. Directed by Steven Soderbergh

Lost in Translation
Starring Bill Murray, Scarlett Johannson, Giovanni Ribisi. Directed by Sofia Coppola
Academy Award winner for Best Original Screenplay
Academy Award nominations for Best Picture, Best Director and Best Actor: Bill Murray
Golden Globe Award winner for Best Motion Picture – Comedy/Musical, Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture – Comedy/Musical: Bill Murray and Best Screenplay
Golden Globe Award nominations for Best Director and Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture: Scarlett Johannson

Proof
Starring Gwyneth Paltrow, Anthony Hopkins, Jake Gyllenhaal. Directed by John Madden
Golden Globe Award nomination for Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture: Gwyneth Paltrow

Whale Rider
Starring Keisha Castle-Hughes, Rawiri Paratene, Vicky Haughton. Directed by Niki Caro
Academy Award nomination for Best Actress in a Leading Role: Keisha Castle-Hughes

Source: HDNet Movies

Full Schedule: December2009

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kstuart

Dec 4, 2009

I do find that the HD transfer of some movies is often not the best version ( Legend is a good example, in fact Theatrical versions with studio-ordered cuts have been the norm for HD release, instead of the Directors Cuts that are better 95% of the time. )

The same thing occurred with CD transfers of LPs ( For example, Iggy's poorly conceived remix of Raw Power ended up on CD instead of Bowie's classic mix that heavily influenced rock music. )

TNGTony

Dec 5, 2009

The HD version of Dances with Wolves was the full 4 hour extravaganza on HD Net Movies, so it can happen.

dfergie

Dec 5, 2009

Don't forget Star Trek III & IV tonight...

NotMe546

Dec 5, 2009

So no one has a clue as to what happen to Serious Moonlight......

dfergie

Dec 5, 2009

Yeah I know... Watching Star Trek ...

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Bobby

Today at 11:30 AM

Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley

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dishstaller

Today at 11:40 AM

Dirty Diana - Michael Jackson

sdfntx

Today at 5:38 PM

Dirty Water - The Standells

gms49ers

Today at 7:28 PM

High Water - Rush

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long_time_Dish

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Smoke On The Water - Deep Purple

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Anony55

Last reply Today at 7:40 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Has Made it Impossible to be a VIP211k Owner

For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.

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Nebugeater

Dec 22, 2025

Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

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tparker

Sep 30, 2026

Nebugeater said:
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

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Nebugeater

Oct 2, 2026

tparker said:
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

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Anony55

Yesterday at 6:18 PM

Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.

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dishstaller

Today at 11:31 AM

Nebugeater said:
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

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Anony55

Today at 4:19 PM

dishstaller said:
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.

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telstar_1

Today at 5:37 PM

They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.

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Corrado

Today at 7:40 PM

Although my VIP211K hasn't been subscribed or connected to a dish in probably 5 years since canceling service, my 1 TB HDD full of programming still works fine.

Upon occasion I power it up to watch something I recorded as far back as 2010. The last time I had it going in September it even let me rescan the local OTA channels which I think it refused at some earlier time. I will use it until the day it fails but this topic makes me think some software download is responsible for current subscribers.

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zippyfrog

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 7:37 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

NBA League Pass

Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?

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zippyfrog

Wednesday at 4:54 AM

I found my answer...when I log into the NBA app on my phone and try to watch, it gives me a more clear answer that it acknowledges I have paid for NBA League Pass from Dish and it is linked, but I need an "upgraded" subscription to League Pass for the preseason games. So I guess it is by design that Dish does not show the preseason games on League pass and that the contract Dish has signed for league pass is explicitly for the regular season games. (I know the description for League Pass says regular season games, but I thought that was only by satellite and the preseason would have worked)

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Darrell S

Today at 7:37 PM

I plan on doing what I did last season. I ordered the more expensive arena feed version from the NBA website. It's worth it because you get to watch what's going on in the arena instead of just staring at the ad break slide on the Dish version. The main advantage to ordering from the website is you can go on a month by month basis and cancel if you get tired of it.

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 6:20 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Yesterday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Yesterday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Yesterday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

Yespage

Today at 10:04 AM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.

AZ. said:
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.

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meStevo

Today at 6:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one

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Former member 209992

Last reply Today at 5:37 PM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 3:39 PM

Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 3:42 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

WTF… …What the Foxbat!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:29 AM

Foxbat said:
WTF… …What the Foxbat!

wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin

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Foxbat

Today at 12:38 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you

I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:03 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin

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comfortably_numb

Today at 11:31 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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Not likely since that place closed down.

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Foxbat

Today at 5:37 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Not likely since that place closed down.

You're no fun.

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Therm

Last reply Today at 4:01 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

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dishstaller

Today at 12:56 PM

I really dislike change for the sake of change

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dishdude

Today at 2:51 PM

I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

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Therm

Today at 3:39 PM

dishdude said:
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"

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navychop

Today at 3:53 PM

"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"

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Tampa8

Today at 4:01 PM

Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.

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Foxbat

Supporting Founder Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 3:48 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

www.apple.com

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

navychop

Yesterday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Yesterday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

ncted

Today at 9:00 AM

KAB said:
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.

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navychop

Today at 2:31 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

ncted

Today at 3:45 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.

ncted

Today at 3:46 PM

navychop said:
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

You should have looked in the APP STORE instead.

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navychop

Today at 3:48 PM

Will do!

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cpdretired

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 3:29 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Offers

Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.

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bnewt

Sep 23, 2026

Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:45 PM

bnewt said:
Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

look again mine says free for 1 month

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Almighty1

Today at 2:13 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month

Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:02 AM

Almighty1 said:
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Almighty1

Today at 3:07 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month

You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Almighty1

Today at 3:29 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
wonder why it says that

Answer 2 minutes ago from DISH Care via Facebook Messenger:

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 2:23 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

This Week in Space 232

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

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Today at 1:52 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Tim Cook, Elton John & King Charles: A Royal Tech Event

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

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