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SatinKzo

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Last reply Nov 22, 2009 · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Palms webOS

Now that I've gotten some decent time with some Android devices and many of us here have really taken a liking to Android OS on phones. I just was curious how many people here have really experienced Palm webOS?

While I am not particular fan of Palm devices due to the smaller keyboards, it was infact my wife's pre that made me really start looking at Android phones over my winmo phones I've had for some time.

As impressive as Android is and the great potential I believe it has especially with what 2.0 is showing us. Has anyone really here really taken time to realize how good the webOS is? I'm strictly talking the OS, not the pre itself, cause it is not perfect (battery life is not good, but it does actually get good after a bit of time. My wife easily goes a full 24 hours before needing a charge and she's on her phone alot doing this and that, then again, my Touch Pro battery sucked ass the whole time I owned it)

I know I might catch some flack, but everything I did with my winmo phone I can do with my wife's pre and my wife's pre seems to just do it all better. Sure there is a diehard community out there for winmo and it's proven very customizable, but at the core, it's still dated and recently is showing it's age and limits.

We finally got around to installing the Quick install and got her into the preware, the versatility is even more evident.

Just curious what others who have used all 3 OS's think. I didn't post this however to start a "the webOS/Winmo/android OS sucks because" thread.

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TheForce

Nov 21, 2009

I have to admit that WM has been my "mother tongue" since the old IPAQ frm HP. But as a family we have had Palm, BB and Iphone experience to varying degrees. I also spent about 90 minutes demoing the Motorolla Droid and the htc Eris.

I have to say that the Palm was too limited but that was a few years ago. We ended up buying the 700 which was that Palm windows version and it was fine for my wife. She was forced to the BB by company job requirement and hates it. BB is for corporate email junkies and she misses the features she had on the old Palm WM version. My son-in-law has the iphone so when he is over we compare. He is not prone to illegal hacking so it is pure apple compliant iphone. It's internet is slow to very slow, it's wifi is great and apps run OK but simple by today's standard. One thing at a time. I would be switching from the XV6800 to an iphone next year if Verizon gets it until I switched to the htc TP2. They did something in the TP2 that makes it work like greased lightening both on just applications multitasking as well as web surfing and even gotomypc works great! The zoom slider or double tap zoom works great! Everything works like a small laptop and when the screen is too small, I can plug in the special cable and feed the screen video to my 24 inch monitor. That is a feature I've wanted for several years. The keyboard is great and having 2 16 Gb micro sd cards I have plenty of room to store 500 Mb wmv movies. Plus I have downloaded over 8 Gb of google maps now so I can GPS all over the country and not need to have internet turned on to make GPS work with Google maps. In comparing the OS on the htc TP2 which is WM 6.1 with the special touch flo 3D with the Droid, all seems to run about the same speed except the TP2 does do screen up dates a bit faster. The droid had some places where the screen hesitated. Not a big difference but was noticeable. More important to me was the hardware on the TP2 seemed to me more ergonomic. I spent quit a bit of time with the Droid because I had the opportunity to swap but I chose the TP2 based on overall performance and features.

grydlok

Nov 22, 2009

Don Landis said:
I have to admit that WM has been my "mother tongue" since the old IPAQ frm HP. But as a family we have had Palm, BB and Iphone experience to varying degrees. I also spent about 90 minutes demoing the Motorolla Droid and the htc Eris.

I have to say that the Palm was too limited but that was a few years ago. We ended up buying the 700 which was that Palm windows version and it was fine for my wife. She was forced to the BB by company job requirement and hates it. BB is for corporate email junkies and she misses the features she had on the old Palm WM version. My son-in-law has the iphone so when he is over we compare. He is not prone to illegal hacking so it is pure apple compliant iphone. It's internet is slow to very slow, it's wifi is great and apps run OK but simple by today's standard. One thing at a time. I would be switching from the XV6800 to an iphone next year if Verizon gets it until I switched to the htc TP2. They did something in the TP2 that makes it work like greased lightening both on just applications multitasking as well as web surfing and even gotomypc works great! The zoom slider or double tap zoom works great! Everything works like a small laptop and when the screen is too small, I can plug in the special cable and feed the screen video to my 24 inch monitor. That is a feature I've wanted for several years. The keyboard is great and having 2 16 Gb micro sd cards I have plenty of room to store 500 Mb wmv movies. Plus I have downloaded over 8 Gb of google maps now so I can GPS all over the country and not need to have internet turned on to make GPS work with Google maps. In comparing the OS on the htc TP2 which is WM 6.1 with the special touch flo 3D with the Droid, all seems to run about the same speed except the TP2 does do screen up dates a bit faster. The droid had some places where the screen hesitated. Not a big difference but was noticeable. More important to me was the hardware on the TP2 seemed to me more ergonomic. I spent quit a bit of time with the Droid because I had the opportunity to swap but I chose the TP2 based on overall performance and features.

HUh Don he's talking about WebOS not WM.

grydlok

Nov 22, 2009

SatinKzo said:
Now that I've gotten some decent time with some Android devices and many of us here have really taken a liking to Android OS on phones. I just was curious how many people here have really experienced Palm webOS?

While I am not particular fan of Palm devices due to the smaller keyboards, it was infact my wife's pre that made me really start looking at Android phones over my winmo phones I've had for some time.

As impressive as Android is and the great potential I believe it has especially with what 2.0 is showing us. Has anyone really here really taken time to realize how good the webOS is? I'm strictly talking the OS, not the pre itself, cause it is not perfect (battery life is not good, but it does actually get good after a bit of time. My wife easily goes a full 24 hours before needing a charge and she's on her phone alot doing this and that, then again, my Touch Pro battery sucked ass the whole time I owned it)

I know I might catch some flack, but everything I did with my winmo phone I can do with my wife's pre and my wife's pre seems to just do it all better. Sure there is a diehard community out there for winmo and it's proven very customizable, but at the core, it's still dated and recently is showing it's age and limits.

We finally got around to installing the Quick install and got her into the preware, the versatility is even more evident.

Just curious what others who have used all 3 OS's think. I didn't post this however to start a "the webOS/Winmo/android OS sucks because" thread.

I used a Pre' for a short time, I like how smooth WebOS is U didn't care for the bad battery life. I figure once Palm make the changes on Social Network contacts and gmail contact edits I will own one a long with a Moment.

Ramy

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Last reply 19 minutes ago · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Yesterday at 3:04 PM

You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:19 PM

Yespage said:
You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

No, I was actually referring to outside of the Top 8, but should have been Top 12 ...

I guess I should have looked at the bracket from last year first ...

I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:38 PM

And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:49 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

I think they are actually discussing the Top 8 get a Bye this time, if they go to 24.
Then again, I heard something about Play in games for the 16-24 teams ...

Nothing is official yet, so lots of moving parts ...

Can't wait, lets do 24, 3 years later they will want 32 :sick

Yespage

Yesterday at 9:59 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:12 PM

Yespage said:
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Once the 24 gets here, there won't be anymore Conference Championships .... or so they say.

Oh what the hell, we really don't need Conferences anymore either ... :coco

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Ronnie-

19 minutes ago

Jimbo said:
I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.

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Last reply Today at 6:01 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Lonely Street - Kansas

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Today at 12:46 AM

Lonely is the Night - Billy Squier

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Today at 1:41 AM

Lonely People - America

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PEOPLE Are Strange-The Doors

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Whiskey Pick: Frey Ranch Straight Bourbon

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JSheridan

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Last reply Today at 2:09 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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MikeD-C05

Sep 26, 2026

I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.

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Scott Greczkowski

Sep 26, 2026

MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH

I have the same wish.

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Strega

Friday at 10:01 PM

Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

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Jimbo

Friday at 11:17 PM

Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

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Mister B

Saturday at 7:35 AM

Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 10:40 AM

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

can't forget the little blue m&m's

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charlesrshell

Yesterday at 11:23 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
can't forget the little blue m&m's

That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

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bnewt

Yesterday at 3:30 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I have the same wish.

Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

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NYDutch

Yesterday at 7:40 PM

bnewt said:
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

DISH will happily sell them a Starlink system and service.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 8:12 PM

Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.

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telstar_1

Today at 12:08 AM

But how is it reusable if it's disposable

slow_poke_pete

Today at 2:09 AM

charlesrshell said:
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh

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dishstaller

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Last reply Today at 1:03 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Well crap....Donnie Iris died today

RIP dude. Always liked his music. He was 83

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dishstaller

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Today at 12:39 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Yosemite HD

This video was put up shortly after I was able to take my family out to Yosemite in 2011. No AI.

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dishstaller

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:41 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Might want to watch this before you buy a new vehicle battery

Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.

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harshness

Sunday at 11:33 AM

When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

dishstaller

Sunday at 12:53 PM

harshness said:
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

Jimbo

Sunday at 1:01 PM

dishstaller said:
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.

telstar_1

Sunday at 1:14 PM

He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves

arlo

Sunday at 2:20 PM

Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.

Opinions may vary.

harshness

Yesterday at 9:17 AM

Jimbo said:
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

The days of the 84-month warranty appear long gone, regardless of brand or where you acquired it. Warranties tend to be shorter, with much greater dependence on quick prorating.

The big problem for lead-acid batteries (whether flooded or AGM) is that the US no longer produces lead (the last smelter closed in 2013) and must import it.

Recycling covers a good chunk of the need (~70%), but it isn't free.

EarDemon

Yesterday at 11:32 PM

I've always got regular OEM Ford Motorcraft batteries from the dealership and have never really had an issue. On my old Lincoln Aviator (the SUV from the early 00s, not the CUV of today), I had some phantom drain and went though a few batteries, but that was an anomaly and with the standard warranty I got free replacements. Taking the Aviator out of the picture, I've bought two batteries in my 24 years of driving. One battery replacement in my Mountaineer, one in my Navigator. But I probably would have had another one had I kept it around longer. Didn't have the Bronco long enough, and so far still on the factory battery for my Expedition.

I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner. I'm in Buffalo, 90 degree summers and 0 degree winters. Once in a while in the dead of winter I'll get an alert from the Ford app saying remote features have been disabled to conserve battery, but it starts right up.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:41 PM

EarDemon said:
I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner.