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New FCC rules on new satellite TV bands...

Looks like we will be getting more new satellite TV bands.:hungry:

Have fun reading it!!:)

Here's the link.... http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-10-15A1.pdf
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The most I could get out of it was the following:

  • FSS in the 10.7-11.7 will not happen in NA as that band is allocated by the FCC for Terrestrial Links
  • CATV relay stations in 10GHz
  • 7GHz (6875MHz-7075MHz) and 13GHz (12750MHz-13250MHz) for Fixed Stations will be co-ordinated as "Notice and Response", not ad-hoc like some had wanted.
  • Mobile transmitters can be "Notice and Response" or ad-hoc
  • Proposed "Growth Zone" for more terrestrial links is dropped as of this memo.
  • There will not be any keep-away zones for uplink stations.
GSO (Geosync Satellite Operations) is the key acronym what we are used to as far as I can tell.

Alot of the document seems to talk about NGSO.
Seems to mostly talking about co-ordination rules for the use of 7/10/13GHz

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around what "commercial" uses there are in 7 and 10GHz for NON-Geosynchronous satellite
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SatelliteAV
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Unfortunately, the continued assignment of the international 10.7 - 11.7GHz FSS band for North American (US) terrestrial use is the most limiting factor affecting KU band and FTA growth in NA. The majority of the international agencies controlling frequency assignments worldwide, permit FSS operation in the lower KU band. This translates to mean that the rest of the world has 2 times more KU bandwidth (1500MHz vs 500MHz) for FSS operation than the US regulations allow.

If the FCC supported the international FSS frecuency assignments, the increased spectrum availability could allow hundreds (possibly 750 or more MPEG 2 or over a 1000 MPEG 4 channels per KU FSS band satellite). The increased spectrum would lower the cost of transmission on popular satellites that is demanded due to the effects of supply and demand. It would also promote the formation of "super satellite" magnet positions such as Astra and Hotbird, which provide thousands of FTA services from a few orbital positions.

The terrestrial broadcasting lobby group is extremely strong and the incredible growth in personal wireless applications has been a major factor in the FCC deviation from international frequency assignments. Maybe the SatelliteGuys group could be a sort of watch dog so we could act proactively to not only protect, but to encourage continued adherence to international frequency assignments for all satellite bands. Maybe we might lobby to change typical FSS locations to add the DBS/DSS 12.2 - 12.7GHz assignments for increased FSS bands?

FCC decisions not only affect the US, but the entire hemisphere..... there goes the neighborhood!
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meinename said:
The most I could get out of it was the following:

  • FSS in the 10.7-11.7 will not happen in NA as that band is allocated by the FCC for Terrestrial Links
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It could. Shaw Direct has the go-ahead form Industry Canada to use the top 250 Mhz of that band for an extended Ku satellite and service. They must get it going by 2014 or lose it.
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Will this cause border clashes between our two countries? :eek: I can just imagine a US based terrestrial service on the south side of the 49th and a satellite customer on the North side.... this situation couldn't lead to any good!

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It could. Shaw Direct has the go-ahead form Industry Canada to use the top 250 Mhz of that band for an extended Ku satellite and service. They must get it going by 2014 or lose it.
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The incredible growth in personal wireless applications has been a major factor in the FCC deviation from international frequency assignments.
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But personal wireless has reacher and longer history in Europe, and in-depth proliferation there in society life. So how they deal with the same issue having less dedicated spectrum?
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WE as a nation have unfortunatly allowed the radio spectrum that was once held in the "public trust" to be sold to the higest bidder. The FCC now just make rulings that benefit the big players with big lobbying budgets. Innovation in satellite involves risk taking to be sure, but also requires the risk taker to have acces to some frequencies. Startups are now and forever "locked out" by big $$ interests. I don't see anything new on the horizon that might pose as potential competion to the entrenched operators being allowed to occur.

Just my opinion.
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Cadsulfide said:
WE as a nation have unfortunatly allowed the radio spectrum that was once held in the "public trust" to be sold to the higest bidder. The FCC now just make rulings that benefit the big players with big lobbying budgets. Innovation in satellite involves risk taking to be sure, but also requires the risk taker to have acces to some frequencies. Startups are now and forever "locked out" by big $$ interests. I don't see anything new on the horizon that might pose as potential competion to the entrenched operators being allowed to occur.

Just my opinion.
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Amen Cadsulfide,
You are right on; "we the people" who own the public trust always come up on the losing end of any government decisions when allocating spectrum. As a ham radio operator, I see how hard the ARRL works to represent Ham Radio operators interest and protect the Ham Radio Bands.
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Bruce
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How things have changed

I was reading this article

thehill.com

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
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That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Some interesting information was in this article-

www.lightreading.com

50M subs might be the 'floor' for US pay-TV

Fifty million-plus subs could serve as the 'floor' for US pay-TV by 2030, reckons MoffettNathanson.
www.lightreading.com

This first-

The total pay-TV sector (traditional service providers and virtual MVPDs) shed 885,000 subscribers in Q2 2026

So with the loss of 2.03 Million in the first quarter, already at 2.915 Million gone this year, two quarters left to report.

#2-

The segment ended Q2 with 61.51 million subs comprising 27.5 million cable video subs, 21.42 million vMVPD customers, 9.56 million satellite TV customers, and 3.01 million telco TV subs.

There are approximately 133.97 million households in the United States, according to recent YCharts US Households Data from mid-2026.

That means more than 72 Million households do not have a paid live TV service, about 54% of the total.

What is worse, 7 years ago, paid live TV had over 80% of the population subscribing ( about 100 Million), almost all were Cable/Satellite customers.

Today, only about 37 Million subscribe to Cable/Satellite, less than 28% of our population.

#3-

At one time, Satellite TV (Dish and DirecTV), had about 34 Million subscribers added together, now, 9.56 Million.

That is over a 70% loss for those who subscribe to Satellite TV.

For Cable TV, not as bad, since they have broadband to help against the losses ( bundles), but as more options appear ( 5G, fiber, starlink, etc), I expect a big increase in those leaving cable.

Also expect YTTV to really start gaining even more subscribers, for those who still wish to have a live TV service, based on price point and it is a really great service.
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Looks like Optimum Communications ( formerly CableVision) is collapsing, due to it's high debt, lenders/creditors are taking over-

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The End of Another Major Cable TV Provider? Struggling With Over $21 Billion in Debt As It Has Lost Over Half of All of Its TV Customers As Creditors Are About to Take Over | Cord Cutters News

Optimum Communications is approaching a debt restructuring agreement that would transfer control of the U.S. broadband and cable provider to a group of its primary lenders, according to people familiar with the discussions. The proposed transaction would also resolve ongoing litigation between...
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Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

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Sony has discontinued its final standalone UHD Blu-ray player, the UBP-X700/K, ending shipments of the device with no successor model announced. The move, first spotted by Japanese website Kunkoku.jp and confirmed through the status of the product on Sony’s own website, marks the company’s...
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Got a Sony 700 at WM dot commie.

I think.

Ordered, anyway. Amazon let me go thru entire process but then said no inventory.

Hopefully,, WM will come thru.
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Bruce said:
Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.
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Hate to hear that. If you don't physically have something in your hand, you don't really own it.
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You can't even trust the cost per ounce info in grocery stores anymore

I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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dishstaller said:
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price
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Juan said:
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...
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Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
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Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
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You are paying for the whole thing
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Juan said:
You are paying for the whole thing
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Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
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telstar_1 said:
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
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But a box can weigh more than an ounce..maybe 2...a can might weigh 5 ounces..a bag...not much
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Juan said:
.a bag...not much
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Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.
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dishstaller said:
Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.
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You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight
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Juan said:
You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight
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Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only. Only the shipping weight should include the packaging.
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NYDutch said:
Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only.
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Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner. ;)

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).
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harshness said:
Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner. ;)

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).
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I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only
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Juan said:
but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...
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Obviously you didn't read my post.....google says a coffee bag weighs half an ounce. But let's say you are correct and it DOES weigh a full ounce, that would still fall 5 ounces shy for Walmart's numbers to match.
You wouldn't happen to be kin to Bernie would you
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Juan
Juan
dishstaller said:
Obviously you didn't read my post.....google says a coffee bag weighs half an ounce. But let's say you are correct and it DOES weigh a full ounce, that would still fall 5 ounces shy for Walmart's numbers to match.
You wouldn't happen to be kin to Bernie would you
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None of it means a hill of coffee beans...the price is the price...its not going to get any lower...as long as you pay the price on the shelf at the register..there is no crime
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Juan said:
None of it means a hill of coffee beans...the price is the price...its not going to get any lower...as long as you pay the price on the shelf at the register..there is no crime
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I can't BELIEVE this is being such a difficult subject. The issue isn't the price....it's the advertised price per ounce. A lot of shoppers, myself included, use the price per ounce in determining which is the better value....with that number being inaccurate, it can trick someone into thinking that one product cost less per ounce than a competing product. Is this a crime?...above my pay grade. Is it dishonest? Yes.
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dishstaller said:
I can't BELIEVE this is being such a difficult subject. The issue isn't the price....it's the advertised price per ounce. A lot of shoppers, myself included, use the price per ounce in determining which is the better value....with that number being inaccurate, it can trick someone into thinking that one product cost less per ounce than a competing product. Is this a crime?...above my pay grade. Is it dishonest? Yes.
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Again it makes no difference...call the ftc and file a complaint...maybe your lawyer can file a class action lawsuit and you can collect your 25 cents
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Bruce
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Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...
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Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
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dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
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people are moving to fiber, which is better up and down and also not Comcast.
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savarese04 said:
people are moving to fiber, which is better up and down and also not Comcast.
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dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
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Cord cutting 2.0. Not just fiber, 5G is really taking a toll on the cable companies.
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dishdude said:
Cord cutting 2.0. Not just fiber, 5G is really taking a toll on the cable companies.
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I agree, for $35 it aint perfect but just as reliable as my cable was. And that was twice as much and still rising
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Country singer John Anderson died today

He was 71 yrs old. One of my favorite songs is Seminole Wind....the violin is killer.


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I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song. Rest in peace Mr Anderson.
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I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song.
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That's one of those songs that hits a little too close to home for me. I like the song but just can't listen to it. It's kinda like that song "Daddy never was the Cadillac kind".....reminds me too much of my Grandfather who died Feb 18, 1995.
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R.I.P. I thought he was older…
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R.I.P.
Got a few songs on my 'setup' (old cell phone with music) that I can listen to while working
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RIP
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R.I.P. I thought he was older…
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Same here. I thought he was older......RIP
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Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
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Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
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In my very early work life I installed and repaired those phones.
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Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
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someone is showing their age
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someone is showing their age
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LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
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I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord 🤣
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Bobby said:
In my very early work life I installed and repaired those phones.
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And I kept them working through the ESS offices.
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And I kept them working through the ESS offices.
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The two central offices in the area I worked were actually step by step offices. :)
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I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord 🤣
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Speaking about cords, I actually did drop a Trimline phone from probably 3 feet high on the floor when I was about 10 or so and it caused a small crack, this was the one with the modular jacks and it was hooked up with I think a 50 ft or longer RJ11C cable from Radio Shack. I still use the phone today connected to a Obi VoIP adapter and the cord is my custom made 6 position RJ11C, not sure of the official name for it without looking it up and Belden MediaTwist Crescent shaped Cat6+ cable.

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Almighty1 said:
LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
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so that persons in hiding lol:biggrin
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remembers when ATT had stores and leased home phones
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