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jaj1701

Last reply Mar 1, 2010 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

New cust, what packages to order to get Multiple Dishes/Most Satellite installed free

Hello,

I'm will be a new DISH customer VERY soon. I qualify as a NEW customer (confirmed earlier this evening).

Anyways, I love to ocassionally pick up different forgein and what have you packages. I'd live to get the most out of my "FREE INSTALL".

I am DMA #154: Rochester / Austin, MN & Mason City, IA

I was wondering, what I need to order at signup to have the most satellites being reachable at install. I don't care if there are two....even three dishes that need to be installed (though 2 is what I was thinking).

My equipment will be 6 211/211k with EHD. 3 leased, 3 owned

What is seen as the most likely ideal or must have satellite locations to have access to in the next couple years.

If given a choice, what are the 2 dishes I should shoot for getting? Either for what they get now, or what they may be able to get with new sat launches.

DISH 1000 PLUS and DISH 1000.4???? (is 1000 PLUS still availble) Grasping at straws a bit here.

Any SWITCHES I should insist upon or try to get??

*** Thank you SOOOOO much! I'm trying to research it myself, but I like to check with the EXPERTS! ***

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Jim5506

Feb 28, 2010

Unless you want international programming (most a-la-carte) you don't need the 1000+ and it would be definite overkill because all regular HD programming comes off the 110/129 satellites for western arc applications.

If you do subscribe to international programming and HD, you should automatically get the 1000+ with a DPP44 switch free with the install.

Figuring programming to get a certain dish is bass ackwards logic.

dangue

Feb 28, 2010

Jim5506 said:
Figuring programming to get a certain dish is bass ackwards logic.

Since the OP indicated enjoying international programming from time to time, it makes sense to initially sub to some sort of package that will get him 118.7 off the bat. He can always drop the package after install, but in the future if he wants to add a different international pack he won't have to have a tech out to swap out hardware.

IMHO, a $5 programming downgrade fee will be worth avoiding the hassel of a future install visit.

jaj1701

Feb 28, 2010

dangue said:
Since the OP indicated enjoying international programming from time to time, it makes sense to initially sub to some sort of package that will get him 118.7 off the bat. He can always drop the package after install, but in the future if he wants to add a different international pack he won't have to have a tech out to swap out hardware.

IMHO, a $5 programming downgrade fee will be worth avoiding the hassel of a future install visit.

Thanks for having my back there! I thought it made sense too.

I was surprised that there really aren't any stations available to the public or in my market that aren't viewable with the 1000 + dish. Initially, I was really hoping for a two dish install (like a 1000+ and a 1000.4) so I would have access to as many satellites as possible so if there's a satellite failure or an HD situation like there is now, that I'd potentially already have access to the satellite that has those stations.

Mr Tony

Feb 28, 2010

jaj1701 said:
Thanks for having my back there! I thought it made sense too.

I was surprised that there really aren't any stations available to the public or in my market that aren't viewable with the 1000 + dish. Initially, I was really hoping for a two dish install (like a 1000+ and a 1000.4) so I would have access to as many satellites as possible so if there's a satellite failure or an HD situation like there is now, that I'd potentially already have access to the satellite that has those stations.

you wouldnt get both of those dishes. The "best" scenerio is here in Minneapolis (or any market with locals on EA). New customers with a Int'l get a 1000.4 (Eastern Arc) dish and a D500+ with the connection for 118.7 only used. IIRC they dont even put the 110 LNB on the D500+

so here in Mpls its a EA and a partial D500+ dish (partial as in 119/118.7 only)

jaj1701

Feb 28, 2010

Iceberg said:
you wouldnt get both of those dishes. The "best" scenerio is here in Minneapolis (or any market with locals on EA). New customers with a Int'l get a 1000.4 (Eastern Arc) dish and a D500+ with the connection for 118.7 only used. IIRC they dont even put the 110 LNB on the D500+

so here in Mpls its a EA and a partial D500+ dish (partial as in 119/118.7 only)

I COMPLETELY understand. Yeah, after looking at what each sat had and was duplicated on others, I did see that the Minneapolis scenario would have been great!

I am playing with paying the installer to install another dish I provide (probably a 1000.4 if I was going to). That would open up the possibility to "move" to Minneapolis as well.

As the DPP64 appears to have been vapor ware (from what I've read anyways), I would assume that I could only have 4 LNBs hooked up at one time. I realize that at this time, there would be no need to see more then 4 either. But I could easily swap out one lnb for another should a situation arise (like the current new HDs n/a), right?

I may buy my extra 211's from Dish so they have to provide the extra switch and do any more runs I may want them to do.

Can you tell I don't want to mess with anything on my roof in the future!

Thanks again for your help!

Jason

Mr Tony

Feb 28, 2010

jaj1701 said:
I am playing with paying the installer to install another dish I provide (probably a 1000.4 if I was going to). That would open up the possibility to "move" to Minneapolis as well.

Minneapolis HD is on 129 also so if they installed a D1000+ you can always move to Mpls and be covered already

As the DPP64 appears to have been vapor ware (from what I've read anyways), I would assume that I could only have 4 LNBs hooked up at one time. I realize that at this time, there would be no need to see more then 4 either. But I could easily swap out one lnb for another should a situation arise (like the current new HDs n/a), right?

technically you can get 5 sats if you use a DPP44+ switch. You would put a DP21 switch on each output of the 44 to get 5 sats. Int'l installs that are not EA get a DPP44+ switch. You can feasibly run 8 receivers (4 dual tuner) off the 44 switch

Can you tell I don't want to mess with anything on my roof in the future!

why? That seems to be the best part...oh wait thats the FTA guy kicking in on me

jaj1701

Feb 28, 2010

Iceberg said:
(1)Minneapolis HD is on 129 also so if they installed a D1000+ you can always move to Mpls and be covered already

(2)technically you can get 5 sats if you use a DPP44+ switch. You would put a DP21 switch on each output of the 44 to get 5 sats. Int'l installs that are not EA get a DPP44+ switch. You can feasibly run 8 receivers (4 dual tuner) off the 44 switch

(3)why? That seems to be the best part...oh wait thats the FTA guy kicking in on me

1. Very true

2. Oh yeah....very good point. And DP21's aren't expensive either. Is there a limit to how many sats current receivers can see??

3. I already have a FTA PC tuner I bought a couple of years ago. That is my next project for the summer. Screwing with dishes to get stuff for free = FUN. Screwing with DISH network dishes that I'm paying good money for = NOT FUN.

I currently have an old DirecTV dish, an old DISH 500 dish (which I think has a bad LNB), a VOOM dish (I miss VOOM!), and a larger dish I had used with DirecTV. They are mounted on universal mounts that means I never have to screw into my roof, even if I have to change masts (except for maybe support arms). So, I will have 4 dishes on my roof. Whatever locations aren't for dish will be for FTA.

Gee, I wonder if I should ask him if he'll point the larger dish and the voom dish for me for FTA while he's up there. hmmmmmmm.....more to ponder.

Mr Tony

Mar 1, 2010

jaj1701 said:
1
2. Oh yeah....very good point. And DP21's aren't expensive either. Is there a limit to how many sats current receivers can see??

5 max

I currently have an old DirecTV dish, an old DISH 500 dish (which I think has a bad LNB), a VOOM dish (I miss VOOM!), and a larger dish I had used with DirecTV. They are mounted on universal mounts that means I never have to screw into my roof, even if I have to change masts (except for maybe support arms). So, I will have 4 dishes on my roof. Whatever locations aren't for dish will be for FTA. Gee, I wonder if I should ask him if he'll point the larger dish and the voom dish for me for FTA while he's up there. hmmmmmmm.....more to ponder.

you wont get really anything for free on those smaller dishes for FTA. Only unencrypted channel on Dish is Dish 101. Use to also be Nasa, Angel One and Ion but those got scrambled recently. Need a 30"-36" dish for free to air

jaj1701

Mar 1, 2010

Iceberg said:
5 max

you wont get really anything for free on those smaller dishes for FTA. Only unencrypted channel on Dish is Dish 101. Use to also be Nasa, Angel One and Ion but those got scrambled recently. Need a 30"-36" dish for free to air

The VOOM dish I have was the largest they offered, but I don't remember the size, I want to say somewhere between 26-30. That other dish I have that I was using for directv (wasn't their dish) was a round 30". Yeah, I know the old 18" ones are useless. Thanks!

The 101 isn't scrambled, eh? hmmm My fiance would have made me do anything to get that if they still had Passions.

Well, I think I know my plan of attack. Time to find the cheapest international package (or ala carte if available).

Thanks again Iceberg!

Mr Tony

Mar 1, 2010

Dish 101 is different than Directv 101

Dish 101 is just how to read your bill, use the remote, etc. A help channel

tsr-csr

Mar 1, 2010

jaj1701 said:
Hello,

I'm will be a new DISH customer VERY soon. I qualify as a NEW customer (confirmed earlier this evening).

Anyways, I love to ocassionally pick up different forgein and what have you packages. I'd live to get the most out of my "FREE INSTALL".

I am DMA #154: Rochester / Austin, MN & Mason City, IA

I was wondering, what I need to order at signup to have the most satellites being reachable at install. I don't care if there are two....even three dishes that need to be installed (though 2 is what I was thinking).

My equipment will be 6 211/211k with EHD. 3 leased, 3 owned

What is seen as the most likely ideal or must have satellite locations to have access to in the next couple years.

If given a choice, what are the 2 dishes I should shoot for getting? Either for what they get now, or what they may be able to get with new sat launches.

DISH 1000 PLUS and DISH 1000.4???? (is 1000 PLUS still availble) Grasping at straws a bit here.

Any SWITCHES I should insist upon or try to get??

*** Thank you SOOOOO much! I'm trying to research it myself, but I like to check with the EXPERTS! ***

ok....you order for example the "german package for $27.99 a month (you can cancel it as soon as the dish is installed). But that will give you the 118.7 install and the dish 1000+ , its a one cabnle solution ...so there

It will be a 44 switch

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

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Song Name Game Part 3!

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So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

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Today at 3:12 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Whiskey Pick: Frey Ranch Straight Bourbon

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

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JSheridan

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 2:09 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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MikeD-C05

Sep 26, 2026

I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.

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Scott Greczkowski

Sep 26, 2026

MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH

I have the same wish.

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Strega

Friday at 10:01 PM

Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

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Jimbo

Friday at 11:17 PM

Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

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Mister B

Saturday at 7:35 AM

Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 10:40 AM

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

can't forget the little blue m&m's

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charlesrshell

Yesterday at 11:23 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
can't forget the little blue m&m's

That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

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bnewt

Yesterday at 3:30 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I have the same wish.

Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

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NYDutch

Yesterday at 7:40 PM

bnewt said:
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

DISH will happily sell them a Starlink system and service.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 8:12 PM

Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.

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telstar_1

Today at 12:08 AM

But how is it reusable if it's disposable

slow_poke_pete

Today at 2:09 AM

charlesrshell said:
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh

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dishstaller

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Well crap....Donnie Iris died today

RIP dude. Always liked his music. He was 83

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dishstaller

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Today at 12:39 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Yosemite HD

This video was put up shortly after I was able to take my family out to Yosemite in 2011. No AI.

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dishstaller

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:41 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Might want to watch this before you buy a new vehicle battery

Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awe7kY5nvdU

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harshness

Sunday at 11:33 AM

When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

dishstaller

Sunday at 12:53 PM

harshness said:
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

Jimbo

Sunday at 1:01 PM

dishstaller said:
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.

telstar_1

Sunday at 1:14 PM

He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves

arlo

Sunday at 2:20 PM

Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.

Opinions may vary.

harshness

Yesterday at 9:17 AM

Jimbo said:
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

The days of the 84-month warranty appear long gone, regardless of brand or where you acquired it. Warranties tend to be shorter, with much greater dependence on quick prorating.

The big problem for lead-acid batteries (whether flooded or AGM) is that the US no longer produces lead (the last smelter closed in 2013) and must import it.

Recycling covers a good chunk of the need (~70%), but it isn't free.

EarDemon

Yesterday at 11:32 PM

I've always got regular OEM Ford Motorcraft batteries from the dealership and have never really had an issue. On my old Lincoln Aviator (the SUV from the early 00s, not the CUV of today), I had some phantom drain and went though a few batteries, but that was an anomaly and with the standard warranty I got free replacements. Taking the Aviator out of the picture, I've bought two batteries in my 24 years of driving. One battery replacement in my Mountaineer, one in my Navigator. But I probably would have had another one had I kept it around longer. Didn't have the Bronco long enough, and so far still on the factory battery for my Expedition.

I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner. I'm in Buffalo, 90 degree summers and 0 degree winters. Once in a while in the dead of winter I'll get an alert from the Ford app saying remote features have been disabled to conserve battery, but it starts right up.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:41 PM

EarDemon said:
I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner.

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Yesterday at 11:12 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:22 PM

AI Overview

College Football Playoff bracket, schedule, scores, rankings ...

The 2025–26 College Football Playoff concluded with the Indiana Hoosiers winning the national championship by defeating the Miami Hurricanes 27–21. [1, 2, 3]

Playoff Results Summary
The 12-team playoff bracket featured the following key results across each round: [1]

- First Round: Alabama defeated Oklahoma (34–24), Miami (Fla.) beat Texas A&M (10–3), Ole Miss topped Tulane (41–10), and Oregon defeated James Madison (51–34) at higher-seeded campus sites.
- Quarterfinals: Miami (Fla.) upset Ohio State (24–14), Oregon shut out Texas Tech (23–0), top-ranked Indiana rolled past Alabama (38–3), and Ole Miss edged Georgia (39–34) across the New Year's Six bowls.
- Semifinals: Miami (Fla.) advanced past Ole Miss (31–27) in the Peach Bowl, while Indiana dominant-defeated Oregon (56–22) in the Fiesta Bowl.
- National Championship: Indiana secured the title with a 27–21 victory over Miami (Fla.) at Hard Rock Stadium. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Unfortunately, there was not rankings listed in this summary

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:38 PM

And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:49 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

I think they are actually discussing the Top 8 get a Bye this time, if they go to 24.
Then again, I heard something about Play in games for the 16-24 teams ...

Nothing is official yet, so lots of moving parts ...

Can't wait, lets do 24, 3 years later they will want 32 :sick

Yespage

Yesterday at 9:59 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:12 PM

Yespage said:
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Once the 24 gets here, there won't be anymore Conference Championships .... or so they say.

Oh what the hell, we really don't need Conferences anymore either ... :coco