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I've noticed this new model release that has caught my attention, it appears quite appealing and would like to know if anybody has purchased one yet and what you have to say about it. It's currently priced under $200 and is designed for use with the Pansat DVB-S2 Plus module. I noticed that it mentions a optional S3 tuner, what is this new S3 tuner? Is it referring to the 4:2:2 signals?


Pansat TC-1000 HD (PVR) FTA REPLACES 9200 250 3500 150

Features

•ATSC High Definition(Single MP@HL,MPEG-1,MPEG-2
•External SATA PVR(Format function ,Recording,Playback,Timer Recording)
•USB 1.1 Host Interface(Front ) - Firmware Update
•High Definition Video Output :HDMI and Component(Y,Pb,Pr)
•Audio decoding :MPEG-1,MPEG-2,MUSICAM,Dolby AC-3
•54 ~ 866(VHF low ,VHF high, UHF band) MHz input Frequency(IF Loop throughout)
•Variable Input Symbol Rate (1 ~ 45Msps)
•User selectable output resolution
•Video output resolution :480p,720p,1080i
•Support EPG
•1000 Channels TV & Radio program
•Timer setting supports automatic Turn-ON and OFF daily
•Fast Channel change
•Multi language OSD
•Powerful Channel Editing Function(Favorite,Move,Find,Sort,Delete,Skip,Lock,Edit,Create)
•Digital S/PDIF (Digital Audio or Dolby AC3 stream out)
•Automatic PAL/NTSC Conversion
•5 Favorite List & Unlimited Programs per each
•PIG (Picture In Graphic)
•Channel Editing Function : Sorting(Alphabetic,Parental Lock),Move,Delete,Favorite Edit,Parental Lock,
Channel rename,Channel Skip
•Software Upgrade via USB
•RTC (Real Time Clock)
•UHF Ready (U-50 kit Optional)
•DVB-S3 Ready(S3 Tuner Kit optional)

ATSC Tuner
•1RF Input Connector : F-type,IEC169-24
•1RF output(loop through) : F-type,Zero power Loop-through output
•Frequency Range : NTSC all band,54MHz to 866MHz
•ATSC A/53 compliant 8/16 VSB and MMDS 2/4/8/16 VSB
•ITU-T J.83 Annex B,C compliant 64/25QAM
•Integrated de-interleaver RAM for all Modes
•Relative Low power consumption

MPEG transport Stream A/V Decoding
•Demultiplex : MPEG-2 ISO/IEC 13818-1(MPEG-2 system)
•Input stream : Max. 90Mbit/s
•Aspect Ratio : 4:3(default), 16:9 letterbox
•Video Decoding : ISO/IEC 13818-2(MPEG2 vidoe) MP@HL
•Audio Decoding : ISO/IEC13818-3(MPEG2 audio/MUSICAM) ,Dolby AC-3
•Video Ouput : HDMI,Component(YPbPr),CVBS
•Audio Mode : Single Channel /Dual Channel, Stereo, Joint Stereo
•Audio Sampling Frequency : 16/22,05/24/32/41,1/48 KHz

Microprocessor & Memories
•Main Processor : ARM926
•CPU Clock : 280MIPS
•Flash Memory : 4 Mbyte
•DDR SDRAM : 64 Mbyte
•EEPROM : 64 Kbit

A/V output
•Component Jack : Y, Pb ,Pr
•Video RCA : 1 output
•Audio RCA : 2 output(Reft,Right)
•Digital Audio : 1 optical output S/PDIF

Front Panel
•Display : 4Digits LED
•8 keys : Power,Channel Down/Up, Volume up/down,Menu,Exit,OK
•USB : USB2.0 1 Host

Data port
•Connector : 9 Pin D-Sub Type
•Protocol : RS232 Asynchronous
•Data Rate : Max. 19.2Kbps

Rear Panel
•Tuner : 1 input with loop through 1 Loopthrough output
•UHF : Stereo Jack
•6RCA : Video, Audio L, Audio R, YPbPr
•HDMI : Type A
•S/PDIF : Optical
•eSATA : External HDD module
•Data Port : RS 232
•Power Switch : Rocker Type
•Power cord : Fixed type on the body

Remote Control
•Type : IR RCU
•Battery : 2x1.5V AAA Type

Power Supply
•Input Voltage : AC 90-250V, 50/60Hz
•Power Consumption : Max. 30 Watts
•Type : SMPS(Switching mode power supply)

Physical Specification
•Dimension (WxDxH) : 280x210x60
•Weight : 1.8Kg
•Accessaries : RCU,Battery,User manual
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One of the downers for the 9200HD is its rather deaf DVB-S reception. Adding the DVB-S2+ board provides very good sensitivity with S2, and it appears the S2 tuner is used for both S and S2 blindscan when in S2 blindscan mode. However it also appears the crummy S tuner is always used for S reception. Following this line of speculation and conjecture, the TC-1000 might solve the DVB-S problem of the 9200HD by using a DVB-S2 add-on board for both forms of modulation and at a more attractive price.
eurosport
One of the downers for the 9200HD is its rather deaf DVB-S reception.
I have to respectfully disagree here. My 9200 has a very good, sensitive DVB-S tuner. HD feeds will lock & play down to around 25% and I've had SD signals work at 10% all the way up to 99%.
And the blind-scan doesn't miss a thing. :)
M
I have to respectfully disagree here. My 9200 has a very good, sensitive DVB-S tuner. HD feeds will lock & play down to around 25% and I've had SD signals work at 10% all the way up to 99%.
And the blind-scan doesn't miss a thing. :)

In spite of all the 9200HD glitches, I too get good performance from it when it's working right, I get a bleedover from the 101W to the 103W and pick up the "GLC" channel at 10% and no hiccups, it locks solid.
Anole
Based on all the bad feedback I've read, high price (with S2 board), and the modest to poor support for the 9200, it would take a lot for me to pay any attention to a product from the company.

Of course, if they now walk on water, I'm all ears! - :D


I know the 9200 has its defenders, but then so does the Diamond HD... :rolleyes:
... and I wouldn't take either on a bet.
stone1150
In spite of all the 9200HD glitches, I too get good performance from it when it's working right, I get a bleedover from the 101W to the 103W and pick up the "GLC" channel at 10% and no hiccups, it locks solid.

Ditto. It has been my experiance over the years that most people that have trouble with any receiver have had other issues that magnified their problems. I used to run a SW-21 switch for example. The switch was used to flip between my main C/Ku dish, and a stationary dish aimed to the east that the moveable dish could not see. Int.805. I had frequent problems at times. I never suspected that I had other problems. That said, after removing the dish and the switch, I now have no problems to really complain about. Sure the receiver locks up now and then, (they all do,) but not like before by any means. Have a great day! :)
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In regards to this topic, I myself can't afford to buy every new HD model stb that hits the market so I have no choice but to make the best of it by trying every tip and trick I read about and one thing that does make a huge impact on performance is to edit the satellite list by deleting everything you don't use or need.

Just yesterday I finally weeded through the list using the 9200HD Editor to clean it up, I did have some glitches after downloading the edited channel data file but that might have been my error as well. I noticed that the channels were not in the same order as they were when I uploaded the data to the Flash drive, I still had to manually edit the list within the system Menu but since much of the data had been deleted it navigated the list much more easily and FASTER. One thing I learned is to NOT use the "channel up or down" buttons when moving channels, it does wierd things and screws up the list.

It's been a "trial and error" experience but I'm learning how to better use the 9200. Once I had things sorted out the way I wanted, I then backed up the channel data to the flash drive and saved it on my PC in 2 seperate folders making multiple copies just in case.

Another thing, I found that changing channels rapidly will cause problems so do it slowly and you'll have smoother performance. :)
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I'm quite fond of my Pansat 9200HD and for the most part it works very well. As long as it is fed an acceptable signal level, the performance on DVB-S is good but not remarkable. Even Pansat has admitted this. For DVB-S2 on the new plus board, that performance is excellent.

With the advent of new demod chips, I have had the opportunity to compare the 9200HD DVB-S performance against tuners using the CX24116 (previous generation) and the STV0903 (current generation) demods. I used a splitter to give the tuners being compared an equal chance, and I also switched the ports to ensure the test was fair. For moderate and above CNR signals, all tuners perform about the same. For very weak signals, the 9200HD loses lock first, followed soon by the CX24116 demod. The STV0903 can hold a good lock well below the CNR of either other.

I don't know this for a fact, but Pansat's DVB-S2 Plus add-on board is alleged to employ a STV0903 demod chip. If so, this certainly explains its excellent DVB-S2 performance, which compares nearly identically to my known STV0903-based tuners. The STV0903 can of course demodulate both DVB-S and DVB-S2. I was a little disappointed that Pansat appears to have elected to only use the plus board for DVB-S2 in the 9200HD. It was probably an easier firmware change, although I would not be surprised if this had a marketing twist to it. I do find it curious that the TC-1000 will likely use the add-on board for both modulation types.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
dishstaller
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
Anony55
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.
T
They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.
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Corrado
Although my VIP211K hasn't been subscribed or connected to a dish in probably 5 years since canceling service, my 1 TB HDD full of programming still works fine.

Upon occasion I power it up to watch something I recorded as far back as 2010. The last time I had it going in September it even let me rescan the local OTA channels which I think it refused at some earlier time. I will use it until the day it fails but this topic makes me think some software download is responsible for current subscribers.
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zippyfrog
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?
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zippyfrog
I found my answer...when I log into the NBA app on my phone and try to watch, it gives me a more clear answer that it acknowledges I have paid for NBA League Pass from Dish and it is linked, but I need an "upgraded" subscription to League Pass for the preseason games. So I guess it is by design that Dish does not show the preseason games on League pass and that the contract Dish has signed for league pass is explicitly for the regular season games. (I know the description for League Pass says regular season games, but I thought that was only by satellite and the preseason would have worked)
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I plan on doing what I did last season. I ordered the more expensive arena feed version from the NBA website. It's worth it because you get to watch what's going on in the arena instead of just staring at the ad break slide on the Dish version. The main advantage to ordering from the website is you can go on a month by month basis and cancel if you get tired of it.
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Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
AZ.
AZ.
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
Jimbo
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
AZ.
AZ.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
Jimbo
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
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Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
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Jimbo
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.
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Jimbo
IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?
Y
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.
A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.
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meStevo
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one 🤣
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Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
Foxbat
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
OMG to freaking funny :biggrin
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

Not likely since that place closed down.
Foxbat
Not likely since that place closed down.
You're no fun.😑
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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dishstaller
I really dislike change for the sake of change
dishdude
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"
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navychop
"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"
Tampa8
Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.
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Foxbat
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
ncted
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
ncted
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.
ncted
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
You should have looked in the APP STORE instead. ;)
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Will do!
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
look again mine says free for 1 month
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look again mine says free for 1 month
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Almighty1
wonder why it says that
Answer 2 minutes ago from DISH Care via Facebook Messenger:
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