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Hi, I'm new and obviously not professional. Recently I went through a fiasco with direct tv on installation. I have a 2 story house with a metal roof so the only good solution was a 20 foot pole which was needed because the dish has to have a clearance of 2 to 3 foot above roof line. Needless to say I opted out after hearing the additional charges for this.
My question does dish network require this clearance as well.
thanks in advance for your help-would sure like to ditch time warner.
gs
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It has a good line of site close to the house. The problem seemed to stem from interference from the roof; I'd attach it to the corner of the house but that would put it close to the roof. Thanks for the advice on the install
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Scot
the mack
The problem seemed to stem from interference from the roof;
Scot
sounds like b.s. most industrial roofs are metal and there are no issues when mounted there. I have attached dishes to large roof top units which are also metal with no problems.

seems like there would be no problems attached to the side of your house.

If I had a metal roof I would not won't holes in either.
dishcomm
Hi, I'm new and obviously not professional. Recently I went through a fiasco with direct tv on installation. I have a 2 story house with a metal roof so the only good solution was a 20 foot pole which was needed because the dish has to have a clearance of 2 to 3 foot above roof line. Needless to say I opted out after hearing the additional charges for this.
My question does dish network require this clearance as well.
thanks in advance for your help-would sure like to ditch time warner.
gs
It is a line of sight issue. In other words the tech must place the dish where there is a clear unobstructed view of the satellite locations.
I am wondering why a standard hieght pole could nt be used and the dish simply placed farther from the house.
I have been to Texas. The Dallas area. There isn't a tree over 20 feet tall within 50 miles of DFW.
dishcomm
sounds like b.s. most industrial roofs are metal and there are no issues when mounted there. I have attached dishes to large roof top units which are also metal with no problems.

seems like there would be no problems attached to the side of your house.

If I had a metal roof I would not won't holes in either.

The interference is most likely due to the inability ot turn and point th edish in the proper direction. Perhaps the pitch is steep.
It's not BS. Unless you've been in our shoes, please save the BS comments.
the mack
The interference is most likely due to the inability ot turn and point th edish in the proper direction. Perhaps the pitch is steep.
It's not BS. Unless you've been in our shoes, please save the BS comments.
I have been in your shoes, I used to install MMDS systems on the super steep 3 story roofs on old Detroit mansions. many times we had to use 10' tripods and 20' telescopic masts to get LOS to the ren-cen.
we used chicken ladders and bit the bullet.

the statement that the roof itself could cause interference from the metal is bs, probably just a lazy installer who did not want to to the job.

guys tv installs of any type have always sucked money wise, except the early days of Dave i.e. D*.
I have done cable, mmds and sat and they all try to get over on you when it comes to money.
dishcomm
I have been in your shoes, I used to install MMDS systems on the super steep 3 story roofs on old Detroit mansions. many times we had to use 10' tripods and 20' telescopic masts to get LOS to the ren-cen.
we used chicken ladders and bit the bullet.

the statement that the roof itself could cause interference from the metal is bs, probably just a lazy installer who did not want to to the job.

guys tv installs of any type have always sucked money wise, except the early days of Dave i.e. D*.
I have done cable, mmds and sat and they all try to get over on you when it comes to money.
it's ok to do a job with the proper safety equipment.
Thing is , in this business of production and beinhg in a hurry but yet performing custoimer service duties does not allow time for these difficult jobs to be done. Of course no one tells the customer ahead of time that their job may be non standard. All they know is what salespeople tell them. It's a free install.
Tech#344
It is a line of sight issue. In other words the tech must place the dish where there is a clear unobstructed view of the satellite locations.
I am wondering why a standard hieght pole could nt be used and the dish simply placed farther from the house.
I have been to Texas. The Dallas area. There isn't a tree over 20 feet tall within 50 miles of DFW.

Lazy probably do the cable bury. As for how to mount to a metal roof, this is what I use(see Picture). It is an eve mount kit, and the reason I like it is because it's cheap, easy to install, stable, customers don't object to it being mounted to there house, and it can be used to mount any thing from terrestrial antennas to super dishes.
J
I have a metal roof on a one story house - and a lot of trees. I had the dishes mounted to the edge of my south facing deck. This has the added advantage here in the snow belt in that I can easily access the dishes to brush the snow off.
Bob Haller
Yep my dish is on my deck super easy snow clearance!! Way too many still think a dish goes on ther roof or worse Chimney.

Neighbor had his installed on chimney, till a big storm ripped off his dish and brought down the top of his chimney too...
dvrexpander
Yep my dish is on my deck super easy snow clearance!! Way too many still think a dish goes on ther roof or worse Chimney.

Neighbor had his installed on chimney, till a big storm ripped off his dish and brought down the top of his chimney too...

I love mounting to a roof... shingles that is since its super easy to sit it up, run the line usually down behind a gutter or corner of siding. The issues with a deck install is that you have to be able to put lags in those outer 4 holes so 4x4 posts are out of the question. I don't do chimney mounts since I don't really like drilling through brick and my office doesn't allow the special chimney wraps to be used.

I've seen people go out and get a used telephone pole from the power company (yeah they sell them or get rid of them when no longer able to be used) and put that in the ground and have them mounted up top to clear tree's to avoid even touching the house. You'd be surprised at what people will do just to get TV!
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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Bobby
CFB, Florida vs Georgia, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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CFB, Wisconsin at Iowa, Saturday 10-31, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona St at BYU, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Alabama at LSU, Saturday 11-7, 12:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.
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CFB, UCLA at Minnesota, Saturday 11-7, 9AM PST, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Iowa at Northwestern, Saturday 11-7, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Texas at LSU, Saturday 11-14, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.
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Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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TheForce
Report on my iphone 18 PM
Working well with about 3-4 days battery life. New BT and Wifi range is much better than the 15 I had. It doesn't seem any faster but probably is. The Camera shooting video has amazing image stabilization.
Only observed issue is once in awhile, the screen loses touch sensitivity and requires a soft reboot and delete the many open apps to fix. This happens about once a week since buying it.
Foxbat
Only observed issue is once in awhile, the screen loses touch sensitivity and requires a soft reboot and delete the many open apps to fix.
I think your new 18 Pro is fine as this seems to be an iOS 27 bug. My iPhone 17 has similar issues.
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I think your new 18 Pro is fine as this seems to be an iOS 27 bug. My iPhone 17 has similar issues.
My wife hasn't complained about her 17Pro yet.
navychop
Shhhh!
Foxbat
To be fair, this doesn't happen often. Usually pressing the screen button and unlocking the phone clears it up. There is one site where touch seems to be royally screwed up. But it's more a case of the touch points not matching the targets on screen.
TheForce
To be fair, this doesn't happen often. Usually pressing the screen button and unlocking the phone clears it up. There is one site where touch seems to be royally screwed up. But it's more a case of the touch points not matching the targets on screen.
The most annoying for me is when I'm trying to teach my robot to edit the mowing map and the touch screen quits and I have to reboot and start all over. As long as I reboot the phone the repeat will usually complete the map and it is saved.
Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Bruce
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
AZ.
AZ.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
Bruce
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Bobby
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
AZ.
AZ.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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TRG
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Bruce
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Ramy
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.


Roll tide.
Jimbo
The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.


Roll tide.
With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots :(

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... :argue:mad:) :tombstone
Ronnie-
With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots :(

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... :argue:mad:) :tombstone
Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.


You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.


Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.


None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.
Jimbo
Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.


You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.


Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.


None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.
Of course ... but they Could.

Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.
Ronnie-
Of course ... but they Could.
Yes. I even said so. But for reasons I gave, they won't. Wouldn't make sense for them too and they would lose money. A lot of these people that watch one of these games, watch more than one.

They want those eyeballs on as many games as possible. It just makes financial sense.

Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.
It was early. Sure.
Ronnie-
ESPN and the College Football Playoff (CFP) have agreed to a 5-year deal to expand the playoff from 12 to 24 teams.

The deal, worth $1.7 billion per ESPN's Heather Dinich, keeps ESPN as the broadcast partner.

The CFP announced the deal on Monday.
cp2k
Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.
Jimbo
Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.
Until the Big Ten changed thier alignment,(a couple years ago) ... it was not like that at all, the East side won most years the west side represented the Big Ten, but they may have been the team with the 4th best record ...
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

The biggest issue with the Conference Now is the Number of TEAMS .... WAY to Many.
It would take 2-3 YEARS to do a round robin where everyone would play one another ... How do you know how good a team is when teams don't play the same teams ?
Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
S
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
Chances are, they told you about how hard and long it would take for them to place that fiber to your area ... Poles needed to be placed and what not ...
ncted
Chances are, they told you about how hard and long it would take for them to place that fiber to your area ... Poles needed to be placed and what not ...
Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.
Jimbo
Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.
People that Own the poles ?
That would be ATT Or the Power Company depending on the situation ... easily figured out by looking at the Tag on All Poles.
navychop
Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.

Might not be an option, due to easements. I can't see governments allowing public property (easements) for exclusive use by just one company.

I $uppo$e there'$ a way….
ncted
People that Own the poles ?
That would be ATT Or the Power Company depending on the situation ... easily figured out by looking at the Tag on All Poles.
Sorry, Companies or whoever. Power company, cable company, competing phone companies, governments. AT&T sued Nashville a while back because of how pole attachment works there.
Jimbo
Sorry, Companies or whoever. Power company, cable company, competing phone companies, governments. AT&T sued Nashville a while back because of how pole attachment works there.
Really ?
The poles always have a tag on them showing who owns them, up here its either the Power Company or the Phone company ...

edit:
Utility and telephone poles in Nashville, Tennessee are owned primarily by two entities: [1]
  • Nashville Electric Service (NES): Owns approximately 80% of the utility and telephone poles across its Davidson County service area.
    • AT&T: Owns the remaining 20% of the poles (roughly 104,000 poles). [1, 2, 3]
Other telecom and cable providers, such as Comcast or Google Fiber, do not typically own the physical poles; instead, they rent attachment space on NES- or AT&T-owned poles through pole-attachment agreements. [1, 2]
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In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
primestar31
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Cheap, just the battery. Working or not.

Anybody got anything they'd just as soon get rid of? They look like this:

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navychop
I have such. Three various of various powers. And one aftermarket. Limited life, I believe.

Will look into it tomorrow.
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Neutron
All of mine are spoken for, but I would do the same in offering to buy used ones if I were in the market as new ones are so expensive.
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navychop
Gonna havta keep mine. But if I have a goner I can't fix, I'll keep you in mind.
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