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I know hacking is illegal, plain and simple. However, I'm unsure of the status of nonhacked FTA satellite service. I've heard that some FTA receiver manufacturers have been sued by Dish Network. Is this because those FTA receivers are too easy to hack? Or is it because a glitch in the FTA receivers allowed nonhacked receivers to still receive payed programming? So that begs these questions.
Is it legal to own an ordinary nonhacked FTA receiver?
Is the act of receiving FTA satellite TV signals legal?
Is it legal for FTA broadcasters to even do what they do, or are they committing a crime by catering to people with FTA receivers?
Is it legal to own an ordinary nonhacked FTA receiver?
Is the act of receiving FTA satellite TV signals legal?
Is it legal for FTA broadcasters to even do what they do, or are they committing a crime by catering to people with FTA receivers?
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Technically it is non-encrypted signals 
If you are watching unencrypted signals without paying for them that is a bad thing.
If you are watching unencrypted signals without paying for them that is a bad thing.
The last few posts about non-encrypted, unencrypted, decrypted has me a bit dizzy. Personally, I think I'll continue to consider unencrypted and non-encrypted as the same thing.
However back to the original post:
I strongly disagree with this. I think that this and other groups, both in the satellite and other subject matter have unfairly given "HACKERS" a bad rap. There is nothing wrong, or illegal or bad about being a hacker. Hacking is nothing more than taking something you own, and engineering it or reverse-engineering it to do something that it wasn't designed to do. Like using a drinking straw as an insulator, or using the combination of a shortwave receiver and the baseband output of an analog receiver to determine the SR of a digital signal, or modifying a ham radio to increase the bandwidth to allow transmission of higher speed digital or video transmissions, or reverse engineering the drivers for some PCI sat receiver so that it can be used on another OS, or adding a converter to a VHF receiver to allow it to receive HF signals, or piggy-backing a Ku lnbf onto the side of a C-band feedhorn to receive Ku band, or taking the body and motor off an old car, and turning it into a trailer , or taking the boxes that some hardware item was shipped in, and converting it into unique storage units, etc, etc, etc. For lack of a better word, HACKING is GOOD. {sorry}
Yes, it requires hacking to accomplish the illegal activities that we're talking about here, but that doesn't mean that hacking is bad anymore than it is say that it is illegal to drive a car just because it is illegal to exceed the speed limit in a car. Ie it's the speeding that is illegal, not driving the car. Similarly, it is circumventing encryption that is illegal here, not hacking. There are lots of aspects about hacking that are perfectly legal, good for the environment (ie less obsolete equipment thrown away), good for the hobby, good from an educational standpoint, ie just plain good.
Anyway, I am tired of people being critical of hackers, and not just in the TVRO sense. Hacking in general is a good thing. I consider myself to be a hacker, and am proud of it, and it really annoys me that people have changed the definition of what it means to be a hacker over the past decade or two.
Sorry for getting off topic.
Personally, I think I'll continue to consider unencrypted and non-encrypted as the same thing. However back to the original post:
I strongly disagree with this. I think that this and other groups, both in the satellite and other subject matter have unfairly given "HACKERS" a bad rap. There is nothing wrong, or illegal or bad about being a hacker. Hacking is nothing more than taking something you own, and engineering it or reverse-engineering it to do something that it wasn't designed to do. Like using a drinking straw as an insulator, or using the combination of a shortwave receiver and the baseband output of an analog receiver to determine the SR of a digital signal, or modifying a ham radio to increase the bandwidth to allow transmission of higher speed digital or video transmissions, or reverse engineering the drivers for some PCI sat receiver so that it can be used on another OS, or adding a converter to a VHF receiver to allow it to receive HF signals, or piggy-backing a Ku lnbf onto the side of a C-band feedhorn to receive Ku band, or taking the body and motor off an old car, and turning it into a trailer , or taking the boxes that some hardware item was shipped in, and converting it into unique storage units, etc, etc, etc. For lack of a better word, HACKING is GOOD. {sorry}
Yes, it requires hacking to accomplish the illegal activities that we're talking about here, but that doesn't mean that hacking is bad anymore than it is say that it is illegal to drive a car just because it is illegal to exceed the speed limit in a car. Ie it's the speeding that is illegal, not driving the car. Similarly, it is circumventing encryption that is illegal here, not hacking. There are lots of aspects about hacking that are perfectly legal, good for the environment (ie less obsolete equipment thrown away), good for the hobby, good from an educational standpoint, ie just plain good.
Anyway, I am tired of people being critical of hackers, and not just in the TVRO sense. Hacking in general is a good thing. I consider myself to be a hacker, and am proud of it, and it really annoys me that people have changed the definition of what it means to be a hacker over the past decade or two.
Sorry for getting off topic.
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Nobody would want to watch a channel on encrypted signal without decrypting it anyway. Not sure if it's legal or not, but that would be useless anyway, which is the whole point of encrypting it to start with obviously.
Now you talked about FTA signals being legal, but don't the FTA signals use the SAME satellites as the encrypted "Satelite TV" signals like Dish Network? And isn't the it ILLEGAL to receive transmissions (even if they are intentionally NOT encrypted, and meant to be a free signal) from a "Satellite TV" satellite? Unless the signal is coming from a satellite which is itself owned by an FTA broadcaster themself, isn't it ILLEGAL to attempt to receive it?
Maybe the correct term should be "modder". Modifyining equipment isn't illegal, unless:
1) It is being modified for illegal purposes.
example: disabling your VCR's automatic gain control, thereby breaking its ability to utilize Macrovision copy protection
2) It is being modified for a legal purpose, but in a way which might also allow the modified equipment to be used for illegal purposes.
example: modifying an Xbox to play Japnese region coded games, but the mod might also enable it to play pirated copies of games
As long as you use unmodified store-bought equipment, you are safe in legal terms.
If you buy stuff (I mean ANY electronic equipment, not just FTA receivers) on Ebay though, watch out, as many are Hong Kong made rip offs, which might not be up to manufacturers specifications, and might allow for illegal uses. Even legit products which are simply the overseas verision of a product might have different standards. For example I saw the international version of the ICOM-PCR1000 computer controlled all band receiver on Ebay. Because it is the international version, it does NOT meet the FCC requirement of blocking the cell-phone frequency band. In fact, that was the selling point, was as an "unblocked" receiver. While modern cell phones send audio as digital data and the voice can't be heard without the proper decoder and digital to analog converter on the receiving end, it is still illegal to listen in that band. And the truth is there's no reason to WANT to listen in that band unless trying to illegally intercept a phone conversation, as that band ONLY contains cellphone signals, and nothing that would be legal to listen to.
While there is no subscription, it looks like they sell you the receiver, which means it's encrypted and only THEIR receiver can decrypt it. A generic FTA receiver would be useless.
Technically it is non-encrypted signals
Nobody would want to watch a channel on encrypted signal without decrypting it anyway. Not sure if it's legal or not, but that would be useless anyway, which is the whole point of encrypting it to start with obviously.
Now you talked about FTA signals being legal, but don't the FTA signals use the SAME satellites as the encrypted "Satelite TV" signals like Dish Network? And isn't the it ILLEGAL to receive transmissions (even if they are intentionally NOT encrypted, and meant to be a free signal) from a "Satellite TV" satellite? Unless the signal is coming from a satellite which is itself owned by an FTA broadcaster themself, isn't it ILLEGAL to attempt to receive it?
Maybe the correct term should be "modder". Modifyining equipment isn't illegal, unless:
1) It is being modified for illegal purposes.
example: disabling your VCR's automatic gain control, thereby breaking its ability to utilize Macrovision copy protection
2) It is being modified for a legal purpose, but in a way which might also allow the modified equipment to be used for illegal purposes.
example: modifying an Xbox to play Japnese region coded games, but the mod might also enable it to play pirated copies of games
As long as you use unmodified store-bought equipment, you are safe in legal terms.
If you buy stuff (I mean ANY electronic equipment, not just FTA receivers) on Ebay though, watch out, as many are Hong Kong made rip offs, which might not be up to manufacturers specifications, and might allow for illegal uses. Even legit products which are simply the overseas verision of a product might have different standards. For example I saw the international version of the ICOM-PCR1000 computer controlled all band receiver on Ebay. Because it is the international version, it does NOT meet the FCC requirement of blocking the cell-phone frequency band. In fact, that was the selling point, was as an "unblocked" receiver. While modern cell phones send audio as digital data and the voice can't be heard without the proper decoder and digital to analog converter on the receiving end, it is still illegal to listen in that band. And the truth is there's no reason to WANT to listen in that band unless trying to illegally intercept a phone conversation, as that band ONLY contains cellphone signals, and nothing that would be legal to listen to.
While there is no subscription, it looks like they sell you the receiver, which means it's encrypted and only THEIR receiver can decrypt it. A generic FTA receiver would be useless.
C
thank you. we live under the rule of criminals who make laws to capatilize of our behaviour. fta will soon be a movement rather than a hobby as long as we make it known.
crackt out,.
I agree. I just wanted to post my favorite part of the manifesto
thank you. we live under the rule of criminals who make laws to capatilize of our behaviour. fta will soon be a movement rather than a hobby as long as we make it known.
crackt out,.
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Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)
Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"
So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.
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What's for dinner tonight ?
Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.
What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.
Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)
Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"
So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.
So again - I ask you ...
What's for dinner tonight ?
Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.
What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
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I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that.
Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home thoughI don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that.
