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Confused about encryption

I think I understand that the following systems are encrypted systems
for which a special receiver , CAM and a subscription are required

Nagravision, iredeto, Videoguard, Powervu . Digicypher etc

But when Lyngsat says the following in its encryption column what does it mean ?

NTSC

DVB

DVB 8psk

DVB 4.2.2

MPEG 1.5

Please point me in the right direction for this nformation

Thanks

Tony
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tvropro
tonydix said:
I think I understand that the following systems are encrypted systems
for which a special receiver , CAM and a subscription are required

Nagravision, iredeto, Videoguard, Powervu . Digicypher etc

But when Lyngsat says the following in its encryption column what does it mean ?

NTSC

DVB

DVB 8psk

DVB 4.2.2

MPEG 1.5

Please point me in the right direction for this nformation

Thanks

Tony
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NTSC = Analog

DVB = Digital Video Broadcast Mpeg 2 codec.

DVB 8psk = Digital Video Broadcast, Mpeg 4, 8PSK codec. (more efficient compression)

DVB 4.2.2 = Digital Video Broadcast, Mpeg 2, 4:2:2 codec (the color is encoded different)

MPEG 1.5 = A half breed of Mpeg 1 and 2. (used by Direct TV)
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tvropro said:
NTSC = Analog

DVB = Digital Video Broadcast Mpeg 2 codec.

DVB 8psk = Digital Video Broadcast, Mpeg 4, 8PSK codec. (more efficient compression)

DVB 4.2.2 = Digital Video Broadcast, Mpeg 2, 4:2:2 codec (the color is encoded different)

MPEG 1.5 = A half breed of Mpeg 1 and 2. (used by Direct TV)
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So thanks to TVRPro for the explanation of the abbreviations now the question is can I receive any of these signals with an Nfusion HD box with the 8psk module installed.

Thanks to all

Tony
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Mr Tony
tonydix said:
So thanks to TVRPro for the explanation of the abbreviations now the question is can I receive any of these signals with an Nfusion HD box with the 8psk module installed.

Thanks to all

Tony
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NTSC...no...thats the old school receivers for C-Band
DVB...yes
DVB 8PSK....depends
DVB 4:2:2 it will log the channels but will show a tearing screen. The receiver cannot do 4:2:2. The "basic" DVB is 4:2:0 and all receivers can decode that
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B.J.
B.J.
tvropro said:
NTSC = Analog

DVB = Digital Video Broadcast Mpeg 2 codec.

DVB 8psk = Digital Video Broadcast, Mpeg 4, 8PSK codec. (more efficient compression)

DVB 4.2.2 = Digital Video Broadcast, Mpeg 2, 4:2:2 codec (the color is encoded different)

MPEG 1.5 = A half breed of Mpeg 1 and 2. (used by Direct TV)
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Part of the confusion {for me} is that MPEG is both involved in the specs for the signals that carry the video AND for the video itself. For example, the DVB thing above is transmitted in a mode described by some MPEG2 specs, however I don't think it is related to any MPEG2 codec. I think {very likely wrong} that the MPEG-2 spec contains the fundamentals for not only DVB, but also DCII and DSS transmission, but is MOST related to the actual video carried in any of the MUXes involved in any of these modes of transmission, moreso than the MUX itself.
Also a codec is usually a program that can decode the A/V streams. Ie there are codecs that will decode mpeg2 or mpeg4 video, but I don't think I've seen a codec for DVB or DSS or DCII. Ie the CODECs are for the A/V carried by the upper level mode. There can be different flavors of codecs for each kind of video, but the actual DVB format doesn't care at all about codecs, or even if the video in the mux is MPEG2 or MPEG4 or some other format.

Also, re to DVB 8PSK, I think that it is confusing to relate it to MPEG4. Some people relate MPEG4 to DVB-S2, and I think that is misleading also, even though they came out at about the same time. I'd bet that most of what has been sent in DVB 8PSK is probably MPEG-2 video, although I've never had a receiver that would do this mode... Actually, I'm assuming here that DVB 8PSK refers to TRELLIS 8PSK, but perhaps I'm wrong on this assumption too. Of the various 8PSK modes, there is TRELLIS, DVB-S2 8PSK, and Turbo 8PSK, and it was always my impression that DVB 8PSK was the Trellis variety. Generally, if you see DVB by itself, it refers to QPSK modulation, unless it says 8PSK. But I think that MPEG4 really mostly refers to the video mode, not to the overall package that you'd find it transmitted in. You could find MPEG4 video in any of the digital packages.

Anyway, this whole thing is really confused because the various MPEG specs do a lot of different things, and they can be mixed in a variety of ways.

Also.... Re to

4DTV is Digicipher 2 which is Mpeg 2 with GI's own proprietary changes to the Mpeg 2 standard.
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I think that this is still unclear. 4DTV is the name of a receiver model, not really related to the transmission modes. It is a receiver that can do analog ITC, VCII subscriptions (analog video digital audio), and DCII (digital A/V). So I don't think it is right to say that 4DTV "IS" DCII, it's just one receiver capable of receiving DCII signals. Also, as mentioned above, although DCII is sent in an MPEG spec, and most of the video is in MPEG2 format, I don't think that there is any reason why MPEG4 couldn't be sent via DCII, as the DCII is really just the carrier, and just like you can put any kind of stream in DVB or DVB-S2 (ie you can have data, MPEG2 video,MPEG4 video, 4.2.0 or 4.2.2 video, various flavors of audio, etc, etc), any kind of stream can also go in a DCII signal.

I think the most important destinction about these various modes, ie NTSC, DCII, DVB, DVB-S2, DSS, are that in general, different receivers are required to do each mode.
Ie analog receivers generally do NTSC analog only.
DVB receivers won't do DVB-S2, DCII or DSS, and usually they only can play MPEG2 video, not MPEG4.
DVB-S2 receivers will generally do DVB and DVB-S2, and can generally also do MPEG2 and MPEG4 video on the mux.
DCII receivers generally won't do DVB or DSS.
DSS receivers only do DSS.

Yes, some receiver do more than one mode. 4DTV will do DCII and NTSC analog. A Genpix receiver will do DSS, DCII, DVB and Turbo 8PSK/QPSK. But in general different receivers for the different modes.


One good web page for info on most of the above is:

http://www.coolstf.com/mpeg/index.html although there is less info there about the newer DVB-S2 and 8PSK modes.
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classicsat
tonydix said:
I think I understand that the following systems are encrypted systems
for which a special receiver , CAM and a subscription are required

Nagravision, iredeto, Videoguard, Powervu . Digicypher etc
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Generally yes. Digicipher is more than just encryption, it is basically a whole digital satellite system that specifies everything from the modulation to audio/video decoding, whise heatd is the DCII encryption. GI could have made it encryption for DVB, but they elected not to, becasue the FCC allowed them to do what they please. Some formats can use a DVB receiver with CI slot, and a CAM with smartcard. Some providers require their receiver though. PowerVu, although it uses DVB, only uses their receivers, for satellite at least. to add:
But when Lyngsat says the following in its encryption column what does it mean ?
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The below are not encryption, but are various video coding and modulation formats.
NTSC
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Analog video, FM modulated. Audio for non-scrambled channels is carried on FM subcarriers, as are (or were) a number of subsiduary audio services. Analog satellite receivers usually have variable audio tuners you can set to any subcarrier.
DVB
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A standard for digital video broadcasting, used by most of the world consisting of an amalgamation of other nearly open or fully open standards. It excludes encryption proper in the standard, but allows for various 3rd party encryption systems to be used.
DVB 8psk
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There is a few ways to do 8PSK, all incompatible with each other. A proper 8PSK/MPEG4 DVB system is DVB-S2, I beleive. Fundamentally, 8PSK is RF modulation which allows greater bit bandwidth in a given RF bandwidth.
DVB 4.2.2
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Bascally a video coding scheme where for two horizontal/one vertical luma pixels sent, one set of color data is sent. Your receiver video decoder needs to specifically support that format. The normal format most DVB receivers support is 4:2:0, where the one chroma pixel is sent for two horizontal/two vertical is sent. 4:2:2 is used only for feeds, becuase i can be processed in the studios easier.
MPEG 1.5
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That is really just a catch-all term for post MPEG-1 video formats implemented before MPEG2 was ratified, and are usually not quite MPEG2 compatible.
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Correct, DCII is a system. 4DTV is just one of the receiver lines made to receive DCII signals, designed for the home C-band TVRO market.
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tonydix
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Thanks to all for the time and trouble spent in your posts.
There is a lot to learn !!
Many thanks
Tony
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Scott Greczkowski
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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This Web Vulnerability Shook the Tech World

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2QtsO2mlXM


Direct YouTube Link - This Web Vulnerability Shook the Tech World
TWIT's Website
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All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…
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Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…
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have charlie buy you a new house :biggrin :clapping
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Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?
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slow_poke_pete said:
have charlie buy you a new house :biggrin :clapping
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Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…🤞🏻🤣
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Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…🤞🏻🤣
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that would be one hell of a convo :biggrin.
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telstar_1 said:
Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?
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New more efficient encoders. I think there's around 60 channels/sub channels now in the Tulsa dma. 480 widescreen for most of the sub channels, but some have 2 HD channels and a couple of SD sub channels while others have 1 HD and 5 or more SD sub channels. If they moved to mp4 or hevc encoding they could do higher bitrates for SD or more HD or even 4K in that 6Mhz channel. That could render some early digital tvs unable to tune though as they may not have the codecs for that. Considering 4K tvs have been on sale for years, I think it would be a very small minority of TVs with the problem. I'd rather see that happen and keep ATSC 1 than continue the move to a DRM enforced ATSC 3 world.
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Is Roku the new Legacy Cable?

The title was to catch everyone's eye lol! But it is a thought I've been having as I dev a Roku app for a client. You see many MAAANY years ago I got really interested in cable TV channels and even chatted with a regional carrier, Insight about what it took to get a channel number. It was surprisingly easy although prohibitively expensive.



You could petition, reserve a high channel number, they monitored performance and if they liked you, you'd get lower channel number overtime and cut into ad overlays.



Roku has a similar setup. Make an app, if it has a strong, original linear component you could get channel assignment on The Roku Channel.



As mixed as my feelings are on the current media landscape, I can't help but feel a little excited interest when I scope out the apps in the Roku store.
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Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.
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navychop said:
Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.
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All of those services have FAST Channels. FAST is a linear online broadcast stndrd. You notice how their linear channels all have some overlap? They are gettting paid for every second those streams are up without really having to do their own accounting. Best part is they don't even facilitate any of the stream bandwidth. Over glorified app stores on some android hardware. No reason NOT to stay in the game.
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Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.
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harshness said:
Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.
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Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...
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long_time_Dish said:
Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...
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Me either ...
They turned out to be a Poor adversary ....
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They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"
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They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"
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And too many episodes centering on/around them as well...
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SuperDish_Fan23
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Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!
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Almighty1
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I remember this in the news too...

www.nbcnews.com

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Almighty1 said:
I remember this in the news too...

www.nbcnews.com

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.
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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff
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SuperDish_Fan23 said:
Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wL6dsORmXg
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Bobby said:
That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.
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Good point as part of that time mentioned was before I was even alive.

While reports from the family's case focused entirely on the equipment rental charges, media records show that Ester Strogen originally started by paying $29.95 per quarter ($9.98 per month) in the 1960s for her combined telephone connection.
The actual base cost for standard residential telephone service over a 42-year period (spanning roughly 1964 to 2006) reveals how basic connection costs evolved compared to the equipment rental fees:

Historical Phone Service Rates
  • 1960s – 1970s Base Rate: Standard local phone service was heavily subsidized and tightly regulated under the Bell System monopoly. A basic landline package with unlimited local calling typically cost between $5.00 and $10.00 per month.
  • 1980s – 2000s Post-Deregulation Rate: Following the AT&T divestiture in 1984, base line service rates steadily climbed due to the introduction of subscriber line charges, touch-tone fees, and local infrastructure adjustments. By 2006, basic flat-rate local residential phone service hovered around $15.00 to $25.00 per month (excluding long-distance packages and taxes).
The True Lifetime Service Bill

Assuming an average baseline connection fee of roughly $12.00 a month over that 42-year span, the line connectivity itself would have realistically accumulated to approximately $6,000 in raw cash payouts.
When you bundle the actual service costs together with the escalating equipment rental fees, the total cumulative out-of-pocket phone expenses over those four decades easily crossed $12,000 to $14,000. Long-distance phone calls—which were billed entirely by the minute back then and could cost up to 15 to 30 cents per minute—would add significantly more to that historical total depending on usage.

The widely publicized calculation stems from a viral news story from 2006 involving a widow named Ester Strogen. Her family discovered she had been continuously leasing two rotary dial telephones from AT&T for 42 years.
The total cost—which actually came out to more than $14,000 by the time the lease was canceled—was calculated based on the following legacy telecom structure:
  • The Monthly Fee: At the time her granddaughters discovered the charges, the ongoing leasing fee was $29.10 per month for the two outdated phones.
  • The Math: Over 42 years (504 months), paying roughly $24 to $30 a month accumulates to between $12,000 and $14,600 ($29.10 × 504 months = $14,666.40).
Why did this happen?
Prior to the landmark breakup of AT&T ("Ma Bell") in 1984, consumers were legally not allowed to own their phones; they were required to lease them directly from the phone company.
When the laws changed and phone ownership became legal, AT&T spun off its rental division into a company called QLT Consumer Lease Services. Millions of customers, particularly elderly individuals who were used to seeing a single unified phone bill, simply never realized that the small recurring "equipment lease" line-item could be canceled by buying a cheap phone at a retail store.

Yes, leasing absolutely cost that much in reality, and the math is entirely accurate. However, the calculations performed by the family did contain one major historical nuance: they multiplied the final 2006 rate across all 42 years, which means the actual total cash paid out was likely a bit lower.
The original viral story focused on 82-year-old widow Ester Strogen from Canton, Ohio, who paid $29.10 a month for two black rotary phones until her family intervened in July 2006.
The reality behind how the cost reached that staggering total breaks down into two distinct phases:

Phase 1: The Historical Base Rate (1960s – 1984)

When Strogen first got the phones in the 1960s, renting was a legal mandate and cost a fraction of the 2006 price—usually just a few dollars a month.
  • The "Insurance" Mirage: In exchange for that fee, Ma Bell promised free, lifetime maintenance. If the phone broke, they replaced it instantly at no extra cost.
  • The Cost-Plus Reality: Because these solid-state phones were built like tanks out of heavy plastic and steel, they almost never broke. Consumers paid a continuous premium for decades for a repair service they rarely used.
Phase 2: The Deregulation Rate Hikes (1984 – 2006)

After AT&T was forced to break up its monopoly in 1984, the rental side of the business was shifted to Lucent Technologies and later a legacy holding company. To maximize profit off a shrinking customer base, they steadily increased the monthly rental fees over the next 20 years.
  • By 2006, the rental cost had quietly ballooned to roughly $14.55 per phone per month.
  • When the family discovered the $29.10 monthly charge, they looked back at the 42-year span and estimated the collective loss at over $14,000.
Even adjusted for historical inflation—where $2 a month in 1964 had the purchasing power of roughly $20 today—Ester Strogen and hundreds of thousands of other elderly Americans realistically paid thousands of dollars out-of-pocket for standard desk phones they could have purchased at retail for $10.

The exact out-of-pocket dollar amount Ester Strogen paid over those 42 years was never publicly determined, as neither AT&T nor the family had access to monthly billing records stretching all the way back to the 1960s.
The figures reported in the media are entirely mathematical estimates based on the 2006 rate. The two primary numbers used to define the "cost" are:
  • The Stated Media Total: More than $14,000.
  • The Exact Family Formula: $14,666.40. This was derived by taking her final recorded bill of $29.10 per month and multiplying it across the full 42 years (504 months).
What the True Cash Cost Likely Was

Because AT&T did not charge $29.10 a month back in 1964, the true historical cash sum she handed over was lower than $14,000. In the 1960s and 1970s, basic phone lease fees were generally bundled into standard service or itemized at just $1.00 to $2.00 a month per phone.
If we realistically assume she paid lower base rates for the first 20 years before the post-1984 deregulation price hikes took effect, a realistic estimate of the actual cash paid is between $5,000 and $7,000.

The Real Cost When Adjusted for Inflation

While the family's $14,000 calculation overestimates the raw cash paid, it actually underestimates the true economic damage when factoring in the time value of money.
Paying $2.00 a month for equipment in 1964 sounds minor, but due to severe inflation during the 1970s, those early single dollars had the purchasing power of roughly $20.00 each in 2006 terms. If you adjust every historical lower monthly payment upward to account for inflation, Ester Strogen realistically lost the equivalent of well over $15,000 in modern purchasing power by renting instead of buying.
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Channels on DIRECTV Satellite and not on Stream/Internet

So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...

Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.

I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.

What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.

If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.

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Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.

MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.
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WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.
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One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.
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One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.
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WPLG/10 Miami is now available to stream customers

The CW stations WCWW/25 South Bend and WBKP/5 Marquette are testing on the stream server

Last week they also added a bunch of CW stations that are still not available to sat customers:
WETM-DT/19 Elmira
WJET-DT/25 Erie
KLFY-DT/11 Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 Utica
KFDX-DT/4 Wichita Falls
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Well, that was fast ! DTV Stream brought back WTCN's HD signal today.

I have to assume the station signing up a week ago as the Miami Heat affiliate here (to carry their games) did the trick. NBA magic !!!

Or the station engineer took care of the problem after hearing about it.
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KyL416 said:
WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.
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Channel 28 Nashville hasn't been added so far, correct?
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WNPX Nashville and WMYD Detroit were added to stream about 2 months ago.

They also now have PRDTRS/651 for those in Predators territory outside of the Nashville DMA and PISTONS/663-2 for those in Pistons territory outside of the Detroit DMA.
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Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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Can't remember if I've posted this yet..


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU
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If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.
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No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter
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And definitely no medieval chain armor!
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medieval chain armor
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Aka "mail" or "maille".
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IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.
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But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.
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Can't remember if I've posted this yet..


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most carriers do. that's why they send updates that slow phones down!! i buy unlocked phones no effect to me
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IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.
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But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.
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hope you have apple care a screen job is 1000.00 :oops:. can we say over priced garbage!!!
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NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
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Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.
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Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.
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Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.
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This Week in Tech 1107

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHoCBzfrdmQ


Direct YouTube Link - This Week in Tech 1107
TWIT's Website
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