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denvernewbie

Last reply Dec 14, 2004 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish vs. DTV for just SD; Dish DVR vs. Tivo

Hi,

I'm trying to decide on an Standard Def only package. I don't currently have an HD capable set, and will not be acquiring one for at least a year. I have several issues I'd like clarified before I make my decision. Thanks in advance for your responses.

1. Which has the better picture quality in SD? On an earlier thread someone claimed that Dish had the better PQ for SD. Apparently this user experienced "macro blocking" on DTV, to the extent that the picture became unwatchable. So which service delivers the most artifact free reception overall? I plan to be watching mainly with a 32 inch set from a distance of 8 feet, and I want to see very few artifacts at that distance.

2. Mutiple dishes with Dish Network. It seems as though I will require two dishes to receive local channels if I go with Dish. Aside from having an extra dish on the property, what other hasseles might be involved with having an extra dish? Is it possible to get Dish network w/o the local channels, even if local channels are availible in your area? On the Dish website it seemed to automatically assign the local channel add-on to me upon selection of a program package.

3. Dish DVR vs. Tivo. What exactly can Tivo do that the Dish DVR cannot? Is it true that the Dish system is usually faster in operation? If you buy a DTV TIVO system does it still work even if you later cancel the DTV service?

4. I'm leaning towards getting a bigger programing package like the Top 180 from Dish or Total Choice Plus from Directv. If I go with Dish I need a bigger dish for this package called the Dish 500. Does DTV also require a bigger dish with this package type? I couldn't find anything to that effect on their website thus far.

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korsjs

Dec 14, 2004

it is a matter of choice. if you have to have name based recording now, then get the tivo. dish says they will have it soon. they say that every couple of months. dish usually has a lower up front cost.

be prepared for the tivo owners to come in and bash dish. discount them and do your research. you will have one or two people come in and say they had both and prefer the tivo. we have a couple of people that love to bash dish.

theslag

Dec 14, 2004

I think you right, its all your preference. I went with direct because of the TIVO service, but if they keep dropping channels, I might go to dish. I didnt like the point of having 2 dishes on my house, but I though you can get the Super DIsh to end that? I also, didnt like what I read about the problems with the dish 522 box, that then again, not everyone has those problems, but try to explain that to the wive when ER's sound keeps cutting out. So, far I am happy with direct, but you never know, a change may be in the works. One thing that I did like about Dish is with their 180 package they give you some movie channels and also Fox Sports World, where direct you have to order the sports package to get FSW. So, its all you choice of what you want, all I know, so far it way better than cable and clearer and cheeper for me.

geobernd

Dec 14, 2004

I have a direcTivo (D*)and a dvr 508 (E*). But I'm not going to bash in this thread....
I would take a very close look at the channel lineup and make that the deciding factor on who to pick. For me that choice would go towards E* at this point due to much much more international packages.
Also make sure you get all your initial equipment needs (how many receivers, what type of receivers, etc.) taken care of 100%. It's much easier to get a good deal or freebies if you are not a customer yet...

mdonnelly

Dec 14, 2004

denvernewbie said:
4. I'm leaning towards getting a bigger programing package like the Top 180 from Dish or Total Choice Plus from Directv. If I go with Dish I need a bigger dish for this package called the Dish 500. Does DTV also require a bigger dish with this package type? I couldn't find anything to that effect on their website thus far.

Dish 500 is a standard size dish. It's used to acquire satellites at 110 and 119 degrees simultaneously. Saves you from needing another dish, unless your locals are on a 3rd satellite. In Denver, some locals are on the 148 degree satellite ( http://ekb.dbstalk.com/dishlist.htm ), so a 2nd dish will be required anyway. At least it's not 3.

Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply 13 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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reubenray

Last reply Today at 10:36 AM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Laptop Shutting Off When On Battery?

Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.

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arlo

Today at 10:09 AM

A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.

dishstaller

Today at 10:36 AM

arlo said:
That's all I got.

That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks

TRG

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Today at 10:27 AM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Starlink Router question

I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

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b4pjoe

Saturday at 2:12 PM

TRG said:
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.

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HipKat

Saturday at 11:07 PM

TRG said:
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc

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Foxbat

Sunday at 12:44 AM

TRG said:
…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.

harshness

Sunday at 11:46 AM

If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

Starlink V5 Is Here: What RVers Need to Know

Overview of the new Starlink V5 model along with comparison to the previous V4 model along with a recommended setup for mobile internet users.

mobilemusthave.com

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Foxbat

Today at 10:27 AM

Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.

dishstaller

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Last reply Today at 10:27 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

I think we could all use a laugh - Rodney Dangerfield on Carson

Good...simple humor. Enjoy

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92AtfTLge4

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJy0WnejlF4

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Jimbo

Today at 12:37 AM

Not Rodney, but a laugh ...

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WHEcmortfK0?feature=share

dishstaller

Today at 10:27 AM

Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.

dishstaller

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Last reply Today at 10:17 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

At least 64 dead in Spanish passenger train collision

Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:24 AM

dishstaller said:
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.

dishstaller

Today at 10:17 AM

Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.

The safest seat to sit on in a train

Safety experts have shared top tips on train safety after a fatal railway crash in Spain killed 69 people, including where the safest place is in an emergency.

www.dailymail.com