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Hello,

I recently installed a 10' mesh Channel Master antenna at my residence in Ottawa, Canada (45N, 76W) and would like to tap into the experience base here around performance tuning before I start trimming branches and looking for a 15' dish.

After installing the dish on a 10' pole, I aligned the polar axis and declination, then installed and rotated the LNBF for maximum S/N ratio using my First Strike FS1 signal meter. Following this, I aligned the dish using ths push, pull, and rotate method to track true south and implement the correct polar axis, declination, and heading.

I then installed the GBox (from Sadoun) connected to my AzBox programming in all of the birds from 135W to 87W. After signal testing, and many hours of verification, the dish tracks the arc nicely.

After setting up the receiver system, I was able to scan in signals on most of the birds, although the main issue I am seeing is a picture stability issue. Even on satellites like 91W where I get 85% - 90% quality, the signal breaks apart every 5 or 10 seconds.

Strangely enough, on lower birds like 135W where the signal has 10dB less S/N, I see the same behaviour. In both cases, the signal breaks up every 5-10 seconds while the signal on the FS1 stays relatively constant.

I don't know if this is a gain or spurious noise issue. There seems to be enough signal on the higher birds and quality is much higher than I ever saw on my Ku setup. On the Ku side, I could watch a signal reliably at 40% quality while at 80% quality on the C band with the same encoding mechanism, I see the breakups mentioned before.

This issue is prevalent on my AzBox, as well as the the DSR-920 where the signal breaks up consistently on the birds at 133, 125, and 99W. On the DSR-920, the signal strength remains constant while the quality number dips every few seconds from 99 to 0 and back.

My thoughts are that the problem could be related to spurious noise. I tried two LNBF's: The DSC621 and the DMX741 - both displaying similar behaviour.

Here are my questions:

  • Is there a known AzBox sensitivity, or error correction issue?
  • What sort of performance enhancement could I get with a more heavy duty feedhorn/lnb setup?
  • Is there something obvious I can try to improve the performance?
One more observarion: The vertical transponders on many of the western arc satellites (133, 135) are consistently stronger than horizontal in S/N (3-5 dB better noise figures).

Thanks for any insights.

Brian
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Hermitman
If you've tried different lnb's, if you've tried different receivers, if it happens on all satellites, if it happens no matter which direction you're pointing, then look towards what's left. Have you taken a receiver and monitor to the dish and used a short cable to the lnb to eliminate the coax? Good luck.
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RESOLVED - High Speed Internet Issue

After looking at the post around airport RADAR, I got to thinking about what else could be on 3.5 GHz. Out in the country, we are serviced by an Internet broadband provider that uses microwave links to the home. I just happened to remember the installer talking about using a 3.5 GHz unit on our rooftop which points close to where the C Band dish is located.

Just for fun, I turned off the Internet radio unit and suddenly everything cleared up on the C Band set. My guess is that the 3.5 GHz Internet link was scattering through some trees, and the RF was overloading the front end of the LNBF.

Thanks for the suggestions. That helped me find this issue. This weekend, they are coming to install a 2.4 GHz unit.
B.J.
After looking at the post around airport RADAR, I got to thinking about what else could be on 3.5 GHz. Out in the country, we are serviced by an Internet broadband provider that uses microwave links to the home. I just happened to remember the installer talking about using a 3.5 GHz unit on our rooftop which points close to where the C Band dish is located.

Just for fun, I turned off the Internet radio unit and suddenly everything cleared up on the C Band set. My guess is that the 3.5 GHz Internet link was scattering through some trees, and the RF was overloading the front end of the LNBF.

Thanks for the suggestions. That helped me find this issue. This weekend, they are coming to install a 2.4 GHz unit.

Neat. That got me thinking about a couple of my problem satellites. One of my dishes has always had a hard time on AMC21, which just happens to be aiming very close to the top of my garage where I have both a WildBlue dish AND an RF weather station. I had assumed that the KA band Wild blue wouldn't be an issue, but I had forgotten about the weather station, I forget what freq it transmits on, I'll have to look that up. Perhaps it's putting out harmonics that are messing up the Ku band.
Anyway, I mentioned in another thread that my house is full of devices putting out RF, and I often forget that I have some things running. I had completely forgotten that this weather station was even RF, mainly because it connects to a computer via an RS232 serial cable, but that's connected to a receiver module, not to the station itself. The weather station is solar powered, backed up at night by a neat SUPER CAPACITOR, and transmits to a desktop monitor that has a serial cable going to a computer in the other end of the house that then uplinks the data to the internet. So if you ever want to know what the weather is like on the roof of my garage, go to Current Weather Conditions at <!--StationCity-->, <!--StationState--> :)
eurosport
After looking at the post around airport RADAR, I got to thinking about what else could be on 3.5 GHz. Out in the country, we are serviced by an Internet broadband provider that uses microwave links to the home. I just happened to remember the installer talking about using a 3.5 GHz unit on our rooftop which points close to where the C Band dish is located.

Just for fun, I turned off the Internet radio unit and suddenly everything cleared up on the C Band set. My guess is that the 3.5 GHz Internet link was scattering through some trees, and the RF was overloading the front end of the LNBF.

Thanks for the suggestions. That helped me find this issue. This weekend, they are coming to install a 2.4 GHz unit.
Wow...different source, same frequency. Glad you got it figured out! :)
truckracer
I was going to say that's def TI. I get it here sometimes
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
dishstaller
Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Juan
Not alot of dish customers any more
Foxbat
I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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dishstaller
I really dislike change for the sake of change
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


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dishstaller
BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
meStevo
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If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!




Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.
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I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
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Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.
TRG
TRG
"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
That's what I will be watching this weekend.🤗
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Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.
dishstaller
.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.
I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
meStevo
Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


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I had quit watching this show years ago because I ended up more annoyed than entertained. Well......I'm STILL more annoyed than entertained. I DO find it interesting to see how things work behind the scenes at many businesses. What annoys me is how utterly out of touch CEOs are with the companies they run. At the end of almost every episode the head of the company is amazed at how hard the employees have to work and many times have to work around impossible guidelines set forth from headquarters.

I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.


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