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my favorite dish receiver was back in the Solo days I want to say vip 622 but it was black, I absolutely despise the whole Hopper system, always have always will. I prefer all tv have there only box own times and own dvr recordings.

tsunami2311 said:

my favorite dish receiver was back in the Solo days I want to say vip 622 but it was black, I absolutely despise the whole Hopper system, always have always will. I prefer all tv have there only box own times and own dvr recordings.

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622 was/is an HD Duo-user 2-tuner DVR and silver in color. Their first mass-distribution HD DVR. Maybe some could still be running? I believe it was superceded by the (black) 722, which had maybe a larger drive. You may be thinking of 612, which was/is a Solo HD DVR with 2 tuners and was black. Guess they saved a few bucks or something in not including the dual-user capability. The 622 and 722 models could be set up for independent use by different users even though there was only the 1 box- "TV2" (as DiSH called it) could run to another room on coax, got its own remote, and its own dedicated tuner (when set up that way) to watch or record without interference from the user at "TV1". But TV2 got no input in HD, that was the rub. It was a modulated SD signal on coax. The 612 could also send out (in SD) to other TVs on coax but could not independently select channels, recordings, etc.

DiSH in its infinite wisdom then thought the whole hopper thing would be the way to go rather than adding HD to extra users of same box.

I remember the day that they decided to drop HD VCR support for the 5000. I guess I announced it minutes after they decided it.

Well Dish's switchboards lit up with upset customers, and I got a call from Charlie, mother f'ing me up and down for announcing it. They were not too happy.

Ahh good times.

Scott Greczkowski said:

Well Dish's switchboards lit up with upset customers

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If they can put lights on their switchboards, why can't they include them on front of the Hopper?

telstar_1 said:

622 was/is an HD Duo-user 2-tuner DVR and silver in color. Their first mass-distribution HD DVR. Maybe some could still be running? I believe it was superceded by the (black) 722, which had maybe a larger drive. You may be thinking of 612, which was/is a Solo HD DVR with 2 tuners and was black. Guess they saved a few bucks or something in not including the dual-user capability. The 622 and 722 models could be set up for independent use by different users even though there was only the 1 box- "TV2" (as DiSH called it) could run to another room on coax, got its own remote, and its own dedicated tuner (when set up that way) to watch or record without interference from the user at "TV1". But TV2 got no input in HD, that was the rub. It was a modulated SD signal on coax. The 612 could also send out (in SD) to other TVs on coax but could not independently select channels, recordings, etc.

DiSH in its infinite wisdom then thought the whole hopper thing would be the way to go rather than adding HD to extra users of same box.

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could be the 612 I remember there being 6xx in it and it was black I vaguely remember tv2 out but I never used we had 4 of those for each tv, it was only time no one complained about DVR getting deleted or timers getting changed, cause everyone had there own box that no one touched or used for same reason no one touched there tv

tsunami2311 said:

could be the 612 I remember there being 6xx in it and it was black I vaguely remember tv2 out but I never used we had 4 of those for each tv, it was only time no one complained about DVR getting deleted or timers getting changed, cause everyone had there own box that no one touched or used for same reason no one touched there tv

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Maybe a 722 then.

dishdude said:

My favorites were the original 2000, 501 and Wally.

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What was a 2000? They originally came out with just the 3000, 4000 and then 5000- right?

Foxbat said:

Theoretically it could take the HD receiver module from the 5000 and turn it into an HD VCR, but then the Rights Holders said, "Er, no." I was hoping to get this for mine, never happened.

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5000 was not HD. It came out not that long after DiSH launch in the 90s and really didn't do much more than a 4000. It could take an input from like a cc camera to display onscreen, and had onscreen Caller ID (from landline), if I recall. Also the JVC VCR unit was from the 90s as well- well before HD.

rvvaquero said:

If they can put lights on their switchboards, why can't they include them on front of the Hopper?

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My hopper 3 has a light on the front . what in the F do some of you people do watch the light or t.v.

telstar_1 said:

Maybe a 722 then.


What was a 2000? They originally came out with just the 3000, 4000 and then 5000- right?


5000 was not HD. It came out not that long after DiSH launch in the 90s and really didn't do much more than a 4000. It could take an input from like a cc camera to display onscreen, and had onscreen Caller ID (from landline), if I recall. Also the JVC VCR unit was from the 90s as well- well before HD.

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DISH developed a HD remodulator that allowed the 5000 to pickup the HD channels that DISH was broadcasting at the time (if I remember correctly HBO and Showtime were the channels) and modulate them to ATSC channel 3 or 4.

Arctic_fox said:

what in the F do some of you people do watch the light or t.v

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Do we have to decide right now?

rvvaquero said:

Do we have to decide right now?

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Yes you do LMFAO

telstar_1 said:

What was a 2000? They originally came out with just the 3000, 4000 and then 5000- right?

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Before the 3000, 4000 and 5000 there was the 2000. It came in two versions, one IR and the deluxe model was UHF. Looked just like the later receivers. The 4000 was a huge piece of junk, it suffered from random dropouts they never fixed. I think Charlie admitted to it being due to the chipset in one of the chats.

Arctic_fox said:

what in the F do some of you people do watch the light or t.v.

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My Tivo has a record light on the unit with 3 lines to let you know how many things you are recording. (can record 4 things). There are times I look at that and go "what the heck am I recording?" considering I only get 9 OTA stations
My other Tivo (2 tuner) actually shows it on the unit what you are recording so you don't even need to turn the TV on

n0qcu said:

DISH developed a HD remodulator that allowed the 5000 to pickup the HD channels that DISH was broadcasting at the time (if I remember correctly HBO and Showtime were the channels) and modulate them to ATSC channel 3 or 4.

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That's quite odd, given that the 5000 was one of DiSH's earliest boxes, plus they had their early-adopt HD rx's like the 811(?) and 921. Is there a pic of this "remodulator"? How did 5000 send HD signal to it?

telstar_1 said:

That's quite odd, given that the 5000 was one of DiSH's earliest boxes, plus they had their early-adopt HD rx's like the 811(?) and 921. Is there a pic of this "remodulator"? How did 5000 send HD signal to it?

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Good luck with a picture! It plugged into the expansion port in the back. Remember that little metal plate on the back that was held in with a screw?

I take that back. This week's episode was the absolute worst episode I've ever seen. Of course when none of the judges are from America, they wouldn't get someone from Mississippi.

Looking forward to watching this.

I do like some low VHF Channels like WNWT-LD (Story TV and history) so guessing I'll need long antenna. Will Classic Series Yagi YA7000C be a good fit or something else? Also is my mounting location ok?

jeevak said:

I do like some low VHF Channels like WNWT-LD (Story TV and history) so guessing I'll need long antenna. Will Classic Series Yagi YA7000C be a good fit or something else? Also is my mounting location ok?

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I find it really hard to believe that antenna can do Low Vhf, plus they are gouging you on the price, but it's worth a try if you are willing to pay for it.

As for is your mounting location ok, that's impossible to tell by guessing. Mount the antenna with as clear a view too the towers as you can get, and see what happens. If it doesn't work, put a long coax extension on it, and move it around to see if you can better the QUALITY of the signal. Sometimes a foot up, down, or side to other side or so can make a REAL big difference.

Signal STRENGTH is not the end-all, sometimes a lower strength BUT higher Quality can be better, yeah that's possible to do in some cases. Peak the signal quality as much as you can on the particular stations you want the most.

P.S. I just checked the feedback comments on Amazon for Low VHF for this antenna, and they seem like it's working out ok for the most part. Buy it from Amazon, and if it doesn't work well enough, you can likely return it for a refund if you don't scar it up badly while installing

primestar31 said:

Sometimes a foot up, down, or side to other side or so can make a REAL big difference.

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Hallelujah!

It's an art. No reason I've moved OTA antennas small amounts and got much better reception. Once, and it still makes no sense to me, lowering the antenna made a big improvement.

PS- Test the signal before using the bolts!

I use a signal meter app on my phone paired with my HD Homerun device to make fine adjustments to my antenna. Without the meter it feels like stabbing in the dark..

navychop said:

Once, and it still makes no sense to me, lowering the antenna made a big improvement.

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I agree 100%
When I put 2 separate antennas at the lake house (UHF was 3 translators west and VHF was NW) the VHF antenna was flush with the tripod. If I moved it up the mast the signal got worse. UHF was at the top of the mast due to 1 station being 1580 watts and the other being about 14,000 watts 30 miles away.

comfortably_numb said:

I use a signal meter app on my phone paired with my HD Homerun device to make fine adjustments to my antenna. Without the meter it feels like stabbing in the dark..

Signal GH

genhelp.com

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Not me. I can see the antenna farm looming at 10,678 feet on Sandia Peak from my house. I literally bore sight along the horizontal axis and the signals blast in like a blowtorch. Yes, I know Im lucky.

I have the telves data boss Lr on top of a 27 foot mast and a smaller Telves data boss UHF a few feet down using the smartkom amplifier the big one is pointing north towards the main towers and the small one is pointing south to the lighthouse. extreme upstate SC. Normally 86 channels, sometimes get a couple out of Tennessee, columbia SC and Augusta Ga.

Layered Spicy Dorito / chili cheese Frito pie casserole…real sugar Pepsi

Jimmy John's used to be one of my favorite chain sandwich shops. A lot of them have closed down so now I have to go out of my way to go there. Today I was in the area so I dropped in. What a disappointment. There was hardly anything in it. I guess Im done with them now.



This is what I ordered.

KFC Friday, I gave her the option of it or El Charro... 5 piece extra crispy breasts and wings meal off the app with an extra thigh with points... Pepsi

dfergie said:

KFC Friday, I gave her the option of it or El Charro... 5 piece extra crispy breasts and wings meal off the app with an extra thigh with points... Pepsi

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I haven't been to KFC in years. Was it good?

TRG said:

I haven't been to KFC in years. Was it good?

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I love chicken and KFC is high on my list, no Popeyes available but it's up there also.

Bacon, lettuce and tomato on wheat toast. Iced tea.

dfergie said:

Layered Spicy Dorito / chili cheese Frito pie casserole…real sugar Pepsi
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Substitute nacho cheese Doritos for the Fritos, otherwise the same... Sweet Tea

TRG said:

Jimmy John's used to be one of my favorite chain sandwich shops. A lot of them have closed down so now I have to go out of my way to go there. Today I was in the area so I dropped in. What a disappointment. There was hardly anything in it. I guess Im done with them now.

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This is what I ordered.

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Looks like you bought a loaf of bread!!!! id'e be done with em to

Wow! I think that phlatwound has answered your question.
I'm far from being an expert like him, but I can tell you that it's an 8-foot dish I got from the roof of a motel near my place, so it was beforehand perfectly fitted.
I swapped out the LNB for one of this type.

Also, if it can help, it is located approximately 1 inch from its tip and 33 inches from the base of the antenna.

Mister Controversial here.
If the dish is still true and not sagging, etc from age. AND was made as a true parabolic from the factory.
The calculations "should" get you in the ballpark.
But. Like me and me bleedin' dish. Toss the finite calculations out the door.
A 4-poster scalar/lnb mount gives zero "wiggle room" for scalar adjustment.
You are able to slide the LNBF in and out and rotate it to get the maximum signal.
So instead of getting confused why this and that measurement doesn't add up to the calcs. Try moving the LNBF position.
Of course you'll want to make sure that the LNBF is aimed dead knutz at the center of the dish and acquire a signal.
In other words. Try to not be off aim of a sat. by a little and aim the LNBF off of the dish center to compensate.

and oh....four-five bucks for a fernco reducer. superjack main tube, 2" O.D.? extension tube, not sure but we could check.
no shipping, no waiting. probably a cut or two with a utility knife.

monz said:

Wow! I think that phlatwound has answered your question.
I'm far from being an expert like him, but I can tell you that it's an 8-foot dish I got from the roof of a motel near my place, so it was beforehand perfectly fitted.
I swapped out the LNB for one of this type.

BSC621 C/Ku Standard LNBF - one LNB for both C and KU bands

BSC621 C/Ku Standard LNBF - one LNB for both C and KU bands LNB, LNBF

www.satellitebg.com

Also, if it can help, it is located approximately 1 inch from its tip and 33 inches from the base of the antenna.
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A couple corrections...Any credit due for that info goes to Mr. primestar31, I just liked his post.

And...I'm not to be mistaken for an expert

i going to work on all of the above and get report.

I have never had a boot on any of mine. I just put lithium grease on the actuator and run it back and forth a couple of times a year. Rain then hard freeze still works fine.

Nothing better than a Sony Bravia I have the Sony Bravia OLED XR-77A80J and love it. I bet then LED 88 Inch will close to $15,000 or more.

Redneck_Randy said:

Nothing better than a Sony Bravia I have the Sony Bravia OLED XR-77A80J and love it. I bet then LED 88 Inch will close to $15,000 or more.

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id'e sayt thee 88 inch will be around 30k just because it's a sony

One downfall to RGB LED sets is that they have the burn in effect like OLEDS do unlike plain LED sets

Redneck_Randy said:

Nothing better than a Sony Bravia I have the Sony Bravia OLED XR-77A80J and love it. I bet then LED 88 Inch will close to $15,000 or more.

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while there's nothing better than a sony bravia. my video wall has grown on me and has a much better picture than my sony sets. PS5 looks amazing on it. i wish sony would get into video walls

John2021 said:

id'e sayt thee 88 inch will be around 30k just because it's a sony

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Sony has a 98" out for only $4000

John2021 said:

One downfall to RGB LED sets is that they have the burn in effect like OLEDS do unlike plain LED sets

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Why would a semiconductor LED have limited life? It should be good for hundreds of thousands of hours. Are they using Quantum Dots to generate the colors?

Then there was this from the 2026 CES:

Foxbat said:

Why would a semiconductor LED have limited life? It should be good for hundreds of thousands of hours. Are they using Quantum Dots to generate the colors?

Then there was this from the 2026 CES:

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good question!!! after doing research it said the rgb leds have burn in like oleds. i cant see how

Jimbo said:

Sony has a 98" out for onmly $4000

https://electronics.sony.com/tv-video/televisions/all-tvs/p/k98xr50

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yea but the rgb led will be through the roof

John2021 said:

i wish sony would get into video walls

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COUSIN!

John2021 said:

good question!!! after doing research it said the rgb leds have burn in like oleds. i cant see how

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Quick fix, don't sit around with the stock market on all day and not change channels.

Theres only a Few channels out there that don't move thier logos to prevent that ... that said, I think I heard Fox News was one of them.

I have my eyes on this bad puppy!!! I'm on the e-mail list so they can let me know when it's out!!!