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Last reply May 27, 2010 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

922 vs TiVo (HD, Series3)

I looked around, and couldn't find recent threads that focus on this topic, so, I thought I'd start a thread with some observations.

Why would I do this, given that TiVo HD only works with cable? Because I'm a recent convert from cable, and I suspect that others may find this perspective useful in making a decision on switching. Otherwise I admit it's an apples to oranges comparison.

Please note that I'm focusing more on design features, and the user experience - I'm not focusing on reported bugs at this time, as I assume they're correctable, and in general will be fixed.

Here we go:

Performance

922. No contest - very responsive
- Guide is much faster on 922
- Setting up recordings is faster on 922
- Setting up and prioritizing series recordings is mych faster on 922 - it used to take my TiVo HD 5 minutes to commit a list of season pass priority changes
- Cold startup is faster on the 922, by a good 5 minutes.
- I think some of the responsiveness comes from faster overall hardware
- I think part of the responsiveness of the guide may come from an RF remote as opposed to IR. Scrolling is faster in any direction when holding down navigation buttons

Guide

Speed - 922. My wife and I had reservations about this, because we both really like the TiVo guide. It offers a grid somewhat like the 922, but IMHO is too slow to be usable. The standard dual-list interface worked pretty well, and we were happy with it. The guide on the 922 is fast enough to be really usable
Usefulness - 922. The 922 shows the recording status of programs in the guide. TiVo doesn't. This is really helpful to me, when you have 45 series recordings and you're not quite sure if one program in the guide is going to record

Recording

User experience - tie. Overall, it's just as easy to set up a series recording or regular recording with either box.
Management - 922.
1. Conflict resolution is well thought out on the 922 - first, you're told about them - on the Tivo, you have to go to Find Programs/To Do List/View Recording History (or something like that), and the things that WON'T record in the future or DIDN'T record in the past show up there. The 922 shows a show with a red line through it in the daily recording list
2. Series management on the 922 is much faster. No lags, you get back to what you want to do (watch TV) much faster.

Web access/setup

Online program guide - so far, 922. TiVo's is improving, and it's close, but the Dish Remote Access program guide is pretty quick and comprehensive.
DVR integration - 922. It's nearly instantaneous - On the TiVo web site, changes are submitted, and your TiVo dials in when it dials in to get changes. You don't know when this happens until you get an e-mail confirmation. On the 922, it's just there.
Online conflict resolution - 922. TiVo doesn't even really offer anything in this area.

Network features

Remote viewing - 922. TiVo HD (don't know about the Premiere) does not have this feature at all
Online services -
1. OnDemand from your provider - 922. TiVo works a 1-way CableCard, and so cannot see OnDemand services from your cable provider.
2. Amazon VOD - TiVo. 922 currently lacks access to outside services.
3. Netflix - TiVo. 922 currently lacks access to outside services.
4. YouTube - TiVo. 922 currently lacks access to outside services.
5. Google TV - Future 922. This could be a real game changer for Dish, but I won't go too far there, as it currently doesn't exist.

Overall

Thus far, we're really liking the 922. This is not a bash on TiVo - they set the bar high, and it's taken a while for a set-top box to come close. On a features basis, the 922 clears the bar, and made it easier to make the switch.

Just my inflation adjusted $0.02.
Steve

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Scott Greczkowski

May 25, 2010

Actually on the 922 DISH will be adding support for HULU and Netflix and other streaming services. This was something they talked about at Team Summit.

In addition with GoogleTV this idea even goes further.

MikeD-C05

May 25, 2010

Scott Greczkowski said:
Actually on the 922 DISH will be adding support for HULU and Netflix and other streaming services. This was something they talked about at Team Summit.

In addition with GoogleTV this idea even goes further.

This is great news! I only hope they don't go back on this later. This will make the 922 truly the media hub of your home if they allow it to happen.

riffjim4069

May 25, 2010

We have three 622s sitting in the closet, but we certainly cannot use them in any form or fashion without Dish Network service. Anyway, just a few additional notes:

1. This comparison really should be between the 922 and the Tivo Premiere since the TivoHD is now an outdated model. The Premiere UI adds several enhancements, but the new UI is also slow due to one onboard procesor being disabled because of stability issues...which will hopefully be corrected soon. Personally, I love both the VIP and TivoHD/Premiere models but, as others have pointed out, it really is an apples to oranges comparison since both products cannot be directly compared.

2. Recording/Search/Season Pass - all go to Tivo. To be honest, I experienced very few problems with the functions on our 622s and, from what I have seen, the 922s function very similar. However, all my Tivo recordings and scheduling conflicts have been 100% reliable.

3. TivoHD/Premiere has only two tuners. While this is not often a problem, it is sometimes highly annoying when there are three shows I wanted to watch/record. I am very disappointed the new Premiere model didn't include a third tuner since the new MoxiHD also support three tuners.

4. Web Access - the Premiere model fully integrates guide and search data through the web. For example, search results can include video from Netflix, Youtube, Amazon, etc. and is configurable. It's really pretty slick, but once again the new UI is slow due to the disabled processor issue coupled with the fact its new Flash platform needs to be optimized. Additionally, Tivo recordings can be scheduled through their website and there are Tivo iphone apps. Plus, I have my Slingbox Classic connected to my Tivo and can access it from just about anywhere.

5. Tivo service can be used just for OTA ($10-12 monthsly subscription) whereas you'll need to subscribe to a Dish Network program package with the 922. The TivoHD/Premiere is the preferred option for those wanted a premium DVR for OTA only. Of course, there is always the DTVPAL DVR without subscription fees, but it doesn't do name-based recording and is certainly not in the same class as a Tivo or 922.

6. The Tivo Premiere is far more energy effieicent than a 922. It uses 26 watts vice an estimated 50-60 for the 922. http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-forum/209060-another-hidden-5-month-dvr-cost.html - yeah, this isn't a user experience issue, but this could be a significant factor if you have three or four DVRs in service like we do.

Jhon69

May 25, 2010

riffjim4069 said:
We have three 622s sitting in the closet, but we certainly cannot use them in any form or fashion without Dish Network service. Anyway, just a few additional notes:

1. This comparison really should be between the 922 and the Tivo Premiere since the TivoHD is now an outdated model. The Premiere UI adds several enhancements, but the new UI is also slow due to one onboard procesor being disabled because of stability issues...which will hopefully be corrected soon. Personally, I love both the VIP and TivoHD/Premiere models but, as others have pointed out, it really is an apples to oranges comparison since both products cannot be directly compared.

2. Recording/Search/Season Pass - all go to Tivo. To be honest, I experienced very few problems with the functions on our 622s and, from what I have seen, the 922s function very similar. However, all my Tivo recordings and scheduling conflicts have been 100% reliable.

3. TivoHD/Premiere has only two tuners. While this is not often a problem, it is sometimes highly annoying when there are three shows I wanted to watch/record. I am very disappointed the new Premiere model didn't include a third tuner since the new MoxiHD also support three tuners.

4. Web Access - the Premiere model fully integrates guide and search data through the web. For example, search results can include video from Netflix, Youtube, Amazon, etc. and is configurable. It's really pretty slick, but once again the new UI is slow due to the disabled processor issue coupled with the fact its new Flash platform needs to be optimized. Additionally, Tivo recordings can be scheduled through their website and there are Tivo iphone apps. Plus, I have my Slingbox Classic connected to my Tivo and can access it from just about anywhere.

5. Tivo service can be used just for OTA ($10-12 monthsly subscription) whereas you'll need to subscribe to a Dish Network program package with the 922. The TivoHD/Premiere is the preferred option for those wanted a premium DVR for OTA only. Of course, there is always the DTVPAL DVR without subscription fees, but it doesn't do name-based recording and is certainly not in the same class as a Tivo or 922.

6. The Tivo Premiere is far more energy effieicent than a 922. It uses 26 watts vice an estimated 50-60 for the 922. http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-forum/209060-another-hidden-5-month-dvr-cost.html - yeah, this isn't a user experience issue, but this could be a significant factor if you have three or four DVRs in service like we do.

Think The 922 should receive a little slack when comparing energy usage as the 922 will be able to operate functions for more than one TV.

new TVs now have internet compatibility built in.

riffjim4069

May 26, 2010

Jhon69 said:
Think The 922 should receive a little slack when comparing energy usage as the 922 will be able to operate functions for more than one TV.

new TVs now have internet compatibility built in.

I don't buy the 2nd TV argument, but I certainly cut them a little slack since they need to power the LNBs.

DishSubLA

May 27, 2010

I have a TiVo original Series 3 for OTA, and it is a good product, but Dish DVR's are better overall. The OP's critique was right on. TiVo has the same problems Dish does relating to the info not being accurate, so my TiVo keeps trying to record every instance of BBC Newsnight instead of just the new episode rather than the 4 repeat broadcasts.

A few things I do love about the TiVo series 3 is the OLED display. Every DVR made should have this. I can't tell you the number of times I see my Dish DVR red light on, but I want to know what it is recording, especially when I think it should not be recording, and it, in fact, is recording a repeat showing rather than just the new episode already recorded, even after I had manually canceled the repeat showing from the Daily Schedule. I LOVE THE OLED DISPLAY! Pity TiVo eliminated that feature from all future boxes.

And I love the CNET and Revision 3 podcasts the TiVo reacords for me. In fact, they constitute the majority of my recordings, now, although it is still an important OTA DVR for me.

I must say, however, that if the Moxi had OTA, I would have gone with it instead. If I every am forced back to cable, I will pay to get the Moxi HD 3 tuner over a TiVo, any day, and the Moxi Mate. As for the Premiere, even the TiVo fanboys consider it a fair disappointment. I for one am glad the Premiere was under-whelming, because it means my old Series 3 is still TiVo state of the art

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meStevo

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Last reply 9 minutes ago · posted in The Sports Section

NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

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HipKat

Tuesday at 4:27 PM

Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.

Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.

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Howard Simmons

Wednesday at 11:24 AM

HipKat said:
Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.

Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.

Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

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meStevo

Wednesday at 12:14 PM

Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').

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Yespage

Wednesday at 1:31 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

Well you see him more because he is incredibly talented. And yes, typically players try to spin things being in their favor. This isn't cricket where sportsmanship (except in Australia) is expected.

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HipKat

Wednesday at 8:13 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

He wants to be Brady

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HipKat

Wednesday at 8:14 PM

meStevo said:
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').

The only people who deny what Brady got from the officials are Brady fans

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gms49ers

Thursday at 10:02 AM

The NFL, for some time, has protected the marquee quarterbacks. Brady, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow - they all get the calls.
The lower tier QBs don't seem to get the same benefit. For instance, some of the hits that Darnold took from Chicago on Monday night would have been a flag frenzy if any of the marquee QBs were hit like that. And I am not in any way a fan of anything Seahawks related. I am a fan of balanced officiating - and that hasn't been the case for a while.

My team is not immune to this - Fred Warner laid some vicious hits in the Commanders game that I thought should have been flagged - one was, but they picked it up.

Not a good look on NFL officials.

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Yespage

9 minutes ago

HipKat said:
The only people who deny what Brady got from the officials are Brady fans

I doubt that. The Patriots offense shifted to a more quick release setup to lessen risk of him getting hit in the second half of his career. And Brady also won 3 Super Bowls before he was considered a GOAT player to be protected by the refs. No one really knew who Brady even was with the tuck call. That was all about Belichick knowing which refs to hog tie family members of to get critical calls when needed.

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b4pjoe

Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply 17 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Paramount+ and HBO Max to merge

HBO Max and Paramount+ to Combine Into One Streaming Platform, Paramount Says HBO Brand Will 'Operate With Independence'

Paramount+ right now is at $13.99 for the ad-free with Showtime content and HBO MAX is now $22.99 for the 4K ad-free plan so together they are $36.98. By the time this goes through the approval process which I am sure will fly right through you would probably looking at $50 per month for the ad-free 4K plan combined.

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Jimbo

Oct 6, 2026

b4pjoe said:
The name is being changed to Skydance and all of Paramount+, Showtime, DIscovery+, and HBO MAX streaming content is rumored to be merged into one streaming service.

So, what happens if you only want 1 or 2 of those, can you still get them individually ?

Juan

Oct 7, 2026

Jimbo said:
So, what happens if you only want 1 or 2 of those, can you still get them individually ?

The samething when you only wanted one or 2 channels on cable

Jimbo

Oct 7, 2026

Juan said:
The samething when you only wanted one or 2 channels on cable

Not hardly ....
I'm not trying to get 200 channels.

Juan

Oct 7, 2026

Jimbo said:
Not hardly ....
I'm not trying to get 200 channels.

But Paramount has a different agenda..to empty your wallet

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dishstaller

Oct 7, 2026

Juan said:
But Paramount has a different agenda..to empty your wallet

There's a lot of that going around these days. It seems every time I turn around my Youtube Premium is going up another dollar.

slow_poke_pete

Oct 14, 2026

dishstaller said:
There's a lot of that going around these days. It seems every time I turn around my Youtube Premium is going up another dollar.

use an adblocker :biggrin

b4pjoe

Oct 14, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
use an adblocker

There on no ad blockers on my TV. Some people prefer watching content on a TV. :eeek

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ncted

Oct 14, 2026

b4pjoe said:
There on no ad blockers on my TV. Some people prefer watching content on a TV.

There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.

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MikeD-C05

Oct 14, 2026

ncted said:
There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.

Do say, How?

b4pjoe

Oct 14, 2026

ncted said:
There are ways to block ads for your TV and other devices on your home network if you are willing to put in the effort.

I am not willing as they keep changing the data and you keep having to block everything all over again. That is why I get the ad-free versions of the streaming services I use which includes Youtube.

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dishstaller

Oct 14, 2026

b4pjoe said:
I am not willing as they keep changing the data and you keep having to block everything all over again. That is why I get the ad-free versions of the streaming services I use which includes Youtube.

That is pretty much my take as well. At this point in my life I am willing to spend $$ to make my life more simple.

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osu1991

Oct 14, 2026

MikeD-C05 said:
Do say, How?

Pihole

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osu1991

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DC Studios Shocker: James Gunn, Peter Safran Stepping Down with Marvel Alum Jeremy Latcham to Take Over

The duo were believed to be safe amid the Skydance takeover of Warner Bros., but now have a former Kevin Feige protege taking over their division.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

DC Shocker: James Gunn, Peter Safran Out as Co-Chairmen, Marvel Veteran Jeremy Latcham to Lead Comic Book Studio

James Gunn and Peter Safran are stepping down as co-presidents of DC Studios, and they will be replaced by Jeremy Latcham.

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And it begins. Looking to trim $2 billion there will be a lot of people out of jobs.

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Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 29 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...

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Foxbat

Friday at 4:26 PM

Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.

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savarese04

Saturday at 1:58 PM

Foxbat said:
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.

similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 7:53 AM

savarese04 said:
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.

Chances are, they told you about how hard and long it would take for them to place that fiber to your area ... Poles needed to be placed and what not ...

ncted

Yesterday at 8:54 AM

Jimbo said:
Chances are, they told you about how hard and long it would take for them to place that fiber to your area ... Poles needed to be placed and what not ...

Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:36 AM

ncted said:
Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.

People that Own the poles ?
That would be ATT Or the Power Company depending on the situation ... easily figured out by looking at the Tag on All Poles.

navychop

Yesterday at 10:09 AM

ncted said:
Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.

Might not be an option, due to easements. I can't see governments allowing public property (easements) for exclusive use by just one company.

I $uppo$e there'$ a way….

ncted

Today at 9:35 AM

Jimbo said:
People that Own the poles ?
That would be ATT Or the Power Company depending on the situation ... easily figured out by looking at the Tag on All Poles.

Sorry, Companies or whoever. Power company, cable company, competing phone companies, governments. AT&T sued Nashville a while back because of how pole attachment works there.

Jimbo

Today at 9:40 AM

ncted said:
Sorry, Companies or whoever. Power company, cable company, competing phone companies, governments. AT&T sued Nashville a while back because of how pole attachment works there.

Really ?
The poles always have a tag on them showing who owns them, up here its either the Power Company or the Phone company ...

edit:
Utility and telephone poles in Nashville, Tennessee are owned primarily by two entities: [1]

Nashville Electric Service (NES): Owns approximately 80% of the utility and telephone poles across its Davidson County service area.
- AT&T: Owns the remaining 20% of the poles (roughly 104,000 poles). [1, 2, 3]

Other telecom and cable providers, such as Comcast or Google Fiber, do not typically own the physical poles; instead, they rent attachment space on NES- or AT&T-owned poles through pole-attachment agreements. [1, 2]

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reubenray

Today at 1:09 PM

In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.

Jimbo

29 minutes ago

reubenray said:
In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.

Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.

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Bruce

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Last reply 34 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

How things have changed

I was reading this article

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…

thehill.com

That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.

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Bruce

Today at 5:36 AM

According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

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Jimbo

Today at 8:00 AM

Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.

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Bruce

Today at 8:17 AM

Jimbo said:
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.

Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?

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AZ.

Today at 8:25 AM

Bruce said:
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?

Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.

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Bruce

Today at 11:08 AM

AZ. said:
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.

But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.

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Bobby

Today at 11:20 AM

Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.

Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.

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AZ.

Today at 1:09 PM

Bobby said:
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.

Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.

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TRG

Today at 2:01 PM

Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish

Bruce

Today at 2:14 PM

AZ. said:
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.

Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.

Jimbo

36 minutes ago

TRG said:
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees.

Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...

Jimbo

35 minutes ago

Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.

Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?

Jimbo

34 minutes ago

Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.

True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .

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Antenna Man

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SiliconDust HDHomerun Network Tuner and DVR Review

Time for another AWESOME video from Tyler the Antenna Man!

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Last reply Today at 4:41 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
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Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

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Last reply Today at 4:38 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Today at 12:34 PM

College Football Playoff, ESPN agree to 5-year, $1.7 billion deal expanding field to 24 teams starting in 2027

The CFP field will have 12 teams this year, before doubling in 2027.

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ESPN and the College Football Playoff (CFP) have agreed to a 5-year deal to expand the playoff from 12 to 24 teams.

The deal, worth $1.7 billion per ESPN's Heather Dinich, keeps ESPN as the broadcast partner.

The CFP announced the deal on Monday.

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cp2k

Today at 1:30 PM

Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.

Jimbo

Today at 2:00 PM

cp2k said:
Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.

Until the Big Ten changed thier alignment, (a couple years ago) ... it was not like that at all, the East side won most years the west side represented the Big Ten, but they may have been the team with the 4th best record ...
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

The biggest issue with the Conference Now is the Number of TEAMS .... WAY to Many.
It would take 2-3 YEARS to do a round robin where everyone would play one another ... How do you know how good a team is when teams don't play the same teams ?

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meStevo

Today at 4:38 PM

Jimbo said:
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

Surprised you haven't made this claim yet.

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Today at 4:36 PM

But thing is, a lot of these projects are still moving forward. If they hit snags in TX, Loozianna has open arms

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Last reply Today at 3:18 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Stay (Just a Little Bit Longer) - Maurice Williams and the Zodiacs

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Soul Man - The Blues Brothers

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Heart Full Of Soul - Rush

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Last reply Today at 3:16 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Green Dot on WJ4?

Wireless Joey 4. Yesterday, I noticed a little green dot on a small black field in the upper right hand corner of the screen, regardless of channel, recordings, etc. A restart got rid of it, but I am curious as to what It meant and what I did to get it there.

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Redneck_Randy

Today at 8:34 AM

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The little green dot inside a small black field in the upper right-hand corner of your screen is an Android privacy indicator confirming that the voice remote's microphone is actively listening. Because the Joey 4 runs on an Android

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bnewt

Today at 9:16 AM

That's no good

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Almighty1

Today at 3:05 PM

The green dot on Android TV is supposed to show as long as an app or background service is actively using the microphone or camera. [1, 2]

What Normal Behavior Looks Like

- When active: It appears (often with a small microphone or camera icon that fades into a simple green dot) the moment a voice search, assistant command, or streaming app requests audio input.
- When it disappears: It should vanish a few seconds after you finish your command or after the app stops using the microphone. [1]

Why It Might Stay On (Persistent Dot)
If the green dot stays on indefinitely or won't go away, it usually means:

- An app (such as a voice search tool, media player, or background utility) has a hung process or is keeping the microphone channel open.
- A remote control or voice-recognition service is stuck. [1]

How to Fix or Check It

- Restart your TV: Unplug the power cable for about 30 seconds and plug it back in to clear out stuck background apps.
- Check app permissions: Go to your TV's Settings > Privacy or Device Preferences > Microphone to see which apps have access, and revoke permission for any suspicious or unnecessary apps. [1, 2]

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Scott Greczkowski

Today at 3:16 PM

Its a bug. I had it happen to mine. The mic is not listening, and if your worried about that remove the batteries from your remote as thats where the mic is.

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