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Hello all, I've been lurking around here for a while now. I had a 7.5' Perfect 10 dish that was used for C Band from the early 90's to about 2005. We had a huge hail storm come through, dish got destroyed, and I ended up going with DirecTV as the future of 4DTV didn't look good even back then.

Since then, I've built and moved into a new house. I used to love looking for news feeds when big events were going on, so I decided to step into the Ku FTA world. I just picked up a 90cm GeosatPro dish, Invacom LNBF and a used Coolsat 6000 of ebay. Up and running for around $250 total. It's amazing how cheap this equipment is!

The other thing that blows me away is USALS and how tolerant these dishes are to poor alignment. I installed several C Band dishes over the years, and finally got good at aligning them fast. If you have never done that, trust me, USALS is amazing. It took me about 5 minutes to have the dish tracking from 125W to 30W perfectly. I've spent hours peaking C Band dishes.

I do have to say, the way some folks talk around here, I expected the picture quality to be considerably better. There are channels that are downright unwatchable (i.e. Presstv). I have yet to see a feed that has been superior to some of the better DirecTV MPEG-4 standard definition channels. Some have been decent quality though. I have a very potent Linux box that resides next to the A/V rack, so I may pick up a Prof 7300 to play with picking up some HD content.

However, from what I can gather, it looks like the good stuff is really still on C Band. I know where there are a few good BUDs... I can get a black Paraclipse Classic 12' from a friend. I also know where there's a 10' Channel Master solid (with the heavily ribbed back) that doesn't look like it's being used. However, it seems that a lot of the birds are MUCH further East than they ever were back in the good old analog days. That said, it would be nice to find a dish with a H-H mount. I used to always look for dishes, and I'm quite sure I have never seen a Birdview in this area (a little North of Albany, NY). We'll see...

Is there any analog content at all left on Ku? I have a Drake 1824 I was going to drag out and hook to the loop out of the Coolsat to scan some of the birds.

In any case, just wanted to say hi and thank you, as I've picked up a lot of knowledge browsing this forum.
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I was actually just able to do some back to back comparisons with some SD feeds on 99W with their 720P counterparts on DirecTV. For the most part, it was really hard to tell the difference between the two. These are hands down the best feeds I have found yet though (quality and content). DirecTV seemed to have the edge on transient response. I attribute this to two things that sort of balance out; higher end receiving equipment at the feed destination which is subsequently uplinked, and the HDMI connection to my TV from the DirecTV STB vice component from the Coolsat. In any case, it is impressive for SD.

The Paraclipse is a standard polar mount/linear actuator. Those dishes were very popular in this area due to the frequent ice storms we get. They are strong enough to survive about anything. I know where several others are within 15 miles or so from me that I could probably get. I have never seen a Paraclipse with a H-H mount in person, though I know one of the members here has one. Moving the dish, setting the pole (in a LOT of concrete), and getting one tracking perfectly is not a trivial task though. However I know where countless other cheaper/smaller dishes are that I would not waste my time on due to the very S2 issues you mention phlatwound.

Back in the mid 90s I replaced the ancient 90ish degree LNB (that replaced the original LNA in the late 80s) on that Paraclipse with something high end and modern (Norsat 30 degree if memory serves correct). There were sparklies on only the most yellow of colors on the weakest birds with the old 90 degree LNB. With the 30 degree LNB, it was C Band perfection, and I was jealous.

I have LOS basically down to the horizon in the West (getting below F1 would have been easy in this location if that is a meaningful description) over to at least 30W.
guapoharry
:rolleyes:

edit: Are you talking about the auction? If so, this is what the feeds are...

Feed 1
Elementary Stream MPEG-2 Video
MPEG Video: Bitrate 3.437 Mbps Resolution 480 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Descriptor: Data Stream Alignment Descriptor
Alignment type: video access unit

MPEG1 Audio: Bitrate 256 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
MPEG1 Audio: Layer II Mode Stereo


Feed 2
MPEG Video: Bitrate 3.390 Mbps Resolution 720 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0

MPEG1 Audio: Bitrate 256 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
MPEG1 Audio: Layer II Mode Stereo

Feed 3
MPEG Video: Bitrate 3.082 Mbps Resolution 720 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0

MPEG1 Audio: Bitrate 256 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
MPEG1 Audio: Layer II Mode Stereo

Guess they couldn't cram three 720 feeds on that one transponder...
Anole
Nice pictures. Glad to have you more active in the FTA department. - :up

As for BUDs with H-H, just keep a look out.
I didn't expect to see any and found two within two months.
Thanks to the knowledge I gained on the forum, I recognized the tell-tale sight of a Birdview, AND a nice spun aluminum perf on an AJAK 180 motor!
A year before, I didn't follow up on a Paraclipse 12' on H-H, thinking it was too far away and too big a job!

Also, some creative members have whipped up their own H-H's.
Lot of fine brain-power here on the forum.
Everyone builds on the ideas posted by others, and some of the creations they've come up with are outstanding! - :up
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Yep, I was talking about the auction. Still on the cautious side about citing anything found in this forum based on the rules.

I'm curious about how you are extracting those data on the feeds?

I probably haven't found the good stuff yet, but out of all the "published" channels on Ku DVB, the only thing I have found that has come close to the quality of those auction feeds is ABCNow and Montana PBS. Things like RTV are reasonably poor quality even relative to what I get OTA.

This is all qualitative assessment by my untrained eye on a 52" Sony XBR, so take that for what it's worth. And don't get me wrong, it's free, I'm NOT complaining.

I am a baseball fan, so I would love to see how the 1080i sports feeds really stack up to the DirecTV offerings. That will probably be the deciding factor in whether I plant a BUD or not. To my eye, the DirecTV HD on channels such as YES and ESPN is quite good, less so on some other channels. But everything is relative.
guapoharry
Yep, I was talking about the auction. Still on the cautious side about citing anything found in this forum based on the rules.

I'm curious about how you are extracting those data on the feeds?
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DVB card / USB adapter on a PC

TSReader Hardware Support

TSReader

There is a free lite version that has a time limited picture viewing restriction. But you can still get info about the streams. Some people complain justly about TSReader support, but I don't see anything else that matches it...

RTV used to be better on Ku but they changed to what it is now fairly recently... Since it's so crummy, I guess that means all of the affiliates have C-band or IP feeds now. Bet they wanted to avoid problems when it rains in Chattanooga.

User kingofku seemed to indicate he could improve the picture somehow. That is beyond me...
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Drift Away - Dobie Gray
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Throwing It All Away - Genesis
dishstaller
All I Need is a Miracle - Mike + The Mechanics
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Sweet Miracle - Rush
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Sweet Baby James - James Taylor
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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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MikeD-C05
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.
Scott Greczkowski
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH
I have the same wish.
B
I have the same wish.
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite
Scott Greczkowski
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite
They keep the satellite service too. But have. Full streaming version of dish. As sling tv sucks eggs.
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
He does not have the resources aka $$$ compared to Elon Musk as in reality, Elon can eat Charlie for lunch or even mop the floor with Charlie if he wanted to.
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ment to 20 yrs dam phone
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BradleyD
Dish should use both satellite and internet like they do now for all channels. Use either or or both.... like now but subscribers could choose something like internet only, or sat only, or both.
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Dish should use both satellite and internet like they do now for all channels. Use either or or both.... like now but subscribers could choose something like internet only, or sat only, or both.
They have sling tv wich sucks ass it needs a major upgrade
S
They keep the satellite service too. But have. Full streaming version of dish. As sling tv sucks eggs.
can you DVR every channel now or is still only certain ones you can DVR
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
RIP dude. Always liked his music. He was 83


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5Arbm47IQ
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FTA4PA
R.I.P.
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R.I.P.
Foxbat
Rest in Peace…
dfergie
R.I.P. …
Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?
Jimbo
You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?
No, I was actually referring to outside of the Top 8, but should have been Top 12 ...

I guess I should have looked at the bracket from last year first ...

I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .
Ronnie-
I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
AZ.
AZ.
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
Yep, wonder why we rank the top 25 in 2 poles still? Do the ranking change much if they are unranked or have many loses? They sure do, any given day never take your opponent as a cake walk.....
Jimbo
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time ....however .
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

They are trying to make this Basketball and its a far cry from the way that is played.

How long till they go to 32 teams ? Then they will say, well, the NFL is 32 teams, we can make more money that way .... except the NFL is 32 teams, that are a set number of teams and divisions, you don't have that in College ... oh but they will try.

They would have to choose what teams they would want in and thats it.
Hopefully that NEVER happens.

I can see the NCAA going away and the CFP taking that portion over and a Collective Bargaining agreement coming in the not to distant future.
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rvvaquero
The problem with rankings and playoffs is that they are designed to hype the game and make money. Period.

The only reason that BYU and Texas Tech were upsets is that they were hyped up in the standings in the first place. I love watching BYU and Bear Bachmeier. They are a fun and talented team, but not nearly so strong, fast, big, and skilled as a true top ten team. Does anyone truly believe they could compete with the likes of Georgia, Ohio State, Indiana, Alabama, etc.? Yet, they were ranked above those teams.

Each year, there are 10 to 12 teams who truly could compete for the championship if it depended on winning more than one game in a playoff. Including teams like James Madison, Tulane, BYU, etc. in a playoff has nothing to do with determining a national champion. It's just about money.
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Ronnie-
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time
Yes. As shown in a few posts now.


You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

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But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.


I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.


With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.
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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
Mister B
What bothers me is the total waste of broadcasting spectrum in this very crowded market. It has been almost three years now since KFOX converted their broadcast tower to ATSC 3.0 and moved all of their channels to other towers causing noticeable degradation of the picture quality.
I have a Sony TV with 3.0 capabilities but still use the 1.0 version of locals due to the fact that one or all of the 3.0 channels are often missing or unwatchable. In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.
The only thing that could motivate me to be interested in 3.0 would be if all of the minor networks (diginets) could be in at least 720P rather than blurry ultra-compressed 480i.
Three years is long enough to waste one of the few available RF frequencies in the area for this trial.
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.
navychop
In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.

They might notice the hand going into their pocket for their wallet.
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navychop
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.

QFT. Of course, my preference involves a curb and some kicking.
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It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
WHAT ABOUT THE INTERNET PART OF IT. NO ONE WANTS A BOX CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET EITHER.
navychop
Cough, cough. COVID vaccine implants.

:oldlaugh
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Foxbat
Cough, cough. COVID vaccine implants.

:oldlaugh
That would be handy. Download the latest RNA snippets that can be updated over 5G and no more shots! You're a Genius!
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Meta Clickbait, clicking and watching the Video on Clickbait.
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FTA4PA
R.I.P.
dishstaller
My Mom was a huge McMillan & Wife fan.

RIP
dfergie
Mcmillan and wife was where I remember her from, R.I.P. ...
M
R.I.P.
Foxbat
Rest in Peace… I had forgotten she was Kate in "Kate and Allie", teamed with Jane Curtin.
TheForce
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Last reply · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone
Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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Foxbat
IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.
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But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.
S
IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.
​

But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

hope you have apple care a screen job is 1000.00 :oops:. can we say over priced garbage!!!
harshness
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.
comfortably_numb
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.

Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
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