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Last reply Jul 13, 2010 · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

Polarity & Scanning in V & H Transponders on C and KU Band Question

I recently had a 2 hour power failure in our area resulting in a complete loss of all Channels & Satellites on my Viewsat Sat Receiver on my 12 Footer Mesh Dish. I had a lot of older not working channels & about 15 Sats and many channels which had been changed and were no longer coming in, so a rescan was needed anyways.

In rescanning via a Blind Scan I used to always get duplicate channels when the Blind Scan of a Satellite goes through the V and H Transponders scan process. I thought I had it resolved when on redoing 97.0W - Galaxy 19 on KU Band I got about 249 Channels and no duplicates by switching over to V on my Uniden 9900 (which is slaved to my Viewsat FTA Rx via a V Box III) for the V scanning Tp's then switching back on the 9900 to H when the H Transponder channels were scanning in.

Here is the Confusing Part re Polarity:
But yesterday when I scanned in 95.0W- Galaxy 3C on C Band and even though all the Tp's are listed as V Tp's I could NOT get any channels to scan in until I switched the 9900 over to H Polarity on the front of the 9900? It also happened on Sat 101.0W which has all V Tp's. I am totally confused? What am I missing here re V and H Tp's or Polarity?? That is, don't you have to be on V Polarity for the V Tp's and on H Polarity for the H Tp's? Any comments / replies to end this confusion would be greatly appreciated.

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FaT Air

Jun 30, 2010

I bet the Uniden is running your polarity servo. If so - You'll have to scan one polarity at a time.
Select polarity with Uniden, scan that polarity, Switch polarity with the Uniden, scan that polarity.

jsattv

Jul 1, 2010

FaT Air said:
I bet the Uniden is running your polarity servo. If so - You'll have to scan one polarity at a time.
Select polarity with Uniden, scan that polarity, Switch polarity with the Uniden, scan that polarity.

Thanks a lot for the reply Fat Air. Yes the Uniden 9900 is running the Polarity servo and I do switch it over via the Uniden Remote from V to H Polarity. The Blind scan on the Viewsat usually first goes thru all the H Polarity Channels, then switches over to the V Polarity Channels. There is also a signal strength meter on the Viewsat for S and Q levels. What I do is switch the Uniden to V polarity for the V Scan, and then switch the Uniden over to H polarity for the H scan of channels. I guess my point is I am trying to understand how there can be Signalling Levels showing up on H scan when V Polarity only channels are being scanned?

delta_charlie

Jul 2, 2010

jsattv said:
Thanks a lot for the reply Fat Air. Yes the Uniden 9900 is running the Polarity servo and I do switch it over via the Uniden Remote from V to H Polarity. The Blind scan on the Viewsat usually first goes thru all the H Polarity Channels, then switches over to the V Polarity Channels. There is also a signal strength meter on the Viewsat for S and Q levels. What I do is switch the Uniden to V polarity for the V Scan, and then switch the Uniden over to H polarity for the H scan of channels. I guess my point is I am trying to understand how there can be Signalling Levels showing up on H scan when V Polarity only channels are being scanned?

Hi, I think what's going on is the Viewsat uses voltage change to the LNB to signal the vertical or horizontal polarity and assumes the polarity changed when it changed the voltage. When you use an analogue receiver to control the servo motor the polarity will not change with the voltage change so what ends up happing is the DVB receiver thinks it is scanning one polarity and has no idea the polarity did not move so it scans the channels on the wrong polarity.

To fix this simply blind scan one polarity (the same as what is set on the analogue receiver) at a time.

Hope this helps, DC

jsattv

Jul 3, 2010

delta_charlie said:
Hi, I think what's going on is the Viewsat uses voltage change to the LNB to signal the vertical or horizontal polarity and assumes the polarity changed when it changed the voltage. When you use an analogue receiver to control the servo motor the polarity will not change with the voltage change so what ends up happing is the DVB receiver thinks it is scanning one polarity and has no idea the polarity did not move so it scans the channels on the wrong polarity.

To fix this simply blind scan one polarity (the same as what is set on the analogue receiver) at a time.

Hope this helps, DC

Thanks for the comments delta_charlie. I am scanning in one polarity at a time & you are likely correct re the Viewsat. It starts with a H BlindScan then it goes to a V BlindScan. When this is happening I do switch the Uniden 9900 to the V or H Polarity that is being scanned in, and so far it is preventing duplicate channels from being rescanned in.

To more explain the problem / confusion, - yesterday when I scanned in all 70 channels on Galaxy 17 - 91.0W on KU Band, - when the V Polarity was being scanned in I switched the Uniden 9900 over to V Polarity but here is what was coming in:
Searching V Freq S/R Pol
Freq 3560 3921 7250 H

The question is if V is being Searched or scanned in then how the heck can H Polarity show up? For Satellites such as 97.0W when V was being Searched the Pol also showed up as V, and the same thing happened with H Search and Freq Pol. But as you suggest maybe the Viewsat uses Voltage Change when it changes Polarity, but I'm not sure I totally understand this.

B.J.

Jul 4, 2010

jsattv said:
Thanks for the comments delta_charlie. I am scanning in one polarity at a time & you are likely correct re the Viewsat. It starts with a H BlindScan then it goes to a V BlindScan. When this is happening I do switch the Uniden 9900 to the V or H Polarity that is being scanned in, and so far it is preventing duplicate channels from being rescanned in.

To more explain the problem / confusion, - yesterday when I scanned in all 70 channels on Galaxy 17 - 91.0W on KU Band, - when the V Polarity was being scanned in I switched the Uniden 9900 over to V Polarity but here is what was coming in:
Searching V Freq S/R Pol
Freq 3560 3921 7250 H

The question is if V is being Searched or scanned in then how the heck can H Polarity show up? For Satellites such as 97.0W when V was being Searched the Pol also showed up as V, and the same thing happened with H Search and Freq Pol. But as you suggest maybe the Viewsat uses Voltage Change when it changes Polarity, but I'm not sure I totally understand this.

I assume that you did NOT delete all transponders before starting your scan. My guess is that your receiver had these wrong transponders in it's transponder list before you started the scan. I'm not familiar with your receiver, but usually these receivers scan for new freqs, and when they find freqs, they add it to the list of freqs it already has for that sat. Then, after it has scanned for freqs it goes through each freq, both the new ones and old ones, looking for channels. So for one thing, if you're trying to do both H and V on one scan, you'll probably have to switch from H to V during the freq scan, then again H to V during the channel search. So if in the past, you had run scans without changing polarity, the odds are that you have duplicate freqs in your list, and even if you are careful to switch now, those transponders will still be there, plus if you aren't changing polarities during the channel search, you'll only pick up channels of the polarity you left it on after the freq search.
If I understand what you're saying, your receiver must not have the option of scanning just H or V separately, which is unusual, and unfortunate, because it really complicates things. You might be best off just living with having duplicates. It's hard to avoid them if your receiver won't scan one polarity at a time.

jsattv

Jul 10, 2010

B.J. said:
I assume that you did NOT delete all transponders before starting your scan. My guess is that your receiver had these wrong transponders in it's transponder list before you started the scan. I'm not familiar with your receiver, but usually these receivers scan for new freqs, and when they find freqs, they add it to the list of freqs it already has for that sat. Then, after it has scanned for freqs it goes through each freq, both the new ones and old ones, looking for channels. So for one thing, if you're trying to do both H and V on one scan, you'll probably have to switch from H to V during the freq scan, then again H to V during the channel search. So if in the past, you had run scans without changing polarity, the odds are that you have duplicate freqs in your list, and even if you are careful to switch now, those transponders will still be there, plus if you aren't changing polarities during the channel search, you'll only pick up channels of the polarity you left it on after the freq search.
If I understand what you're saying, your receiver must not have the option of scanning just H or V separately, which is unusual, and unfortunate, because it really complicates things. You might be best off just living with having duplicates. It's hard to avoid them if your receiver won't scan one polarity at a time.

BJ, my Viewsat Receiver does have the capability of scanning in Both H and V Tp's separately. First I look up the most current list of Tp's and insert them in while deleting the old ones. Then I set the Uniden 9900 that my VBox III and Mesh Dish is connected to for the Polarity that the Viewsat is Blind Scanning in. So far have scanned in 19 Satellites, and approx 700 channels. Its amazing how much has changed on some Sats.

But I am considering a new Receiver with HD since I moved up to an HDTV last year, and my Viewsat also does NOT have ac-3 capability. Is AzBox one of the better ones? Is there lots of HD channels out there?

B.J.

Jul 10, 2010

jsattv said:
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But I am considering a new Receiver with HD since I moved up to an HDTV last year, and my Viewsat also does NOT have ac-3 capability. Is AzBox one of the better ones? Is there lots of HD channels out there?

There is no one HD receiver that does it all, and there is no receiver that doesn't have bugs, so which is best kind of depends on a tradeoff between what you want to watch and the bugs in the receiver that get's those things.

I have an Azbox elite, Diamond 9000, and Coolsat 8100 STBs, and add to that several PC based receivers like the Twinhan 1020a, TT3200, Broadlogic 1030, and Genpix Skywalker 1, all of which give me HD capability, however to watch HD via the PC receivers, I need to stream to either the Azbox, a ROKU HD1000, or PopCornHour.
Of the STBs, despite the fact that they have yet to come out with anything but beta software for the receiver, and people have been complaining about the receiver's bugs right and left, it is my favorite receiver, mainly because it is the easiest to manually program in DVB-S2 transponders, and it does 4.2.2 HD. The Azbox does have some limitations, primarily that it can't record or play streams of high bitrate HD. I have hopes that someday this will be fixed, but have been waiting over a year, and no fix yet, so it may never come. If it could play high bitrate streams, that would be great, because it would replace both my Roku and PopcornHour.
The Azbox Elite doesn't have blind scan, but people have been reporting all sorts of bugs with the newer models that do have blind scan. I really believe that 90% of the problems people report are due to the way people are using their receivers, as some people don't seem to have any problems, however it's hard to recommend one of those receivers until the source of the problems is determined.
Anyway, to me, 4.2.2 is important, so Azbox is the only answer, other than getting a much faster computer. If you're not interested in 4.2.2, then one of the other STBs, like Pansat or one of the newer STBs might be a better choice. Personally, I do 90% of my actual sat viewing by streaming from my PC cards, mainly because I tend to record things for later viewing, or delay live viewing, neither of which I can do with an STB until Azbox fixes their bitrate limit.

Anyway, Azbox is the most capable receiver out there, but be prepared for confusing behavior or bugs.

jsattv

Jul 11, 2010

B.J. said:
There is no one HD receiver that does it all, and there is no receiver that doesn't have bugs, so which is best kind of depends on a tradeoff between what you want to watch and the bugs in the receiver that get's those things.

I have an Azbox elite, Diamond 9000, and Coolsat 8100 STBs, and add to that several PC based receivers like the Twinhan 1020a, TT3200, Broadlogic 1030, and Genpix Skywalker 1, all of which give me HD capability, however to watch HD via the PC receivers, I need to stream to either the Azbox, a ROKU HD1000, or PopCornHour.
Of the STBs, despite the fact that they have yet to come out with anything but beta software for the receiver, and people have been complaining about the receiver's bugs right and left, it is my favorite receiver, mainly because it is the easiest to manually program in DVB-S2 transponders, and it does 4.2.2 HD. The Azbox does have some limitations, primarily that it can't record or play streams of high bitrate HD. I have hopes that someday this will be fixed, but have been waiting over a year, and no fix yet, so it may never come. If it could play high bitrate streams, that would be great, because it would replace both my Roku and PopcornHour.
The Azbox Elite doesn't have blind scan, but people have been reporting all sorts of bugs with the newer models that do have blind scan. I really believe that 90% of the problems people report are due to the way people are using their receivers, as some people don't seem to have any problems, however it's hard to recommend one of those receivers until the source of the problems is determined.
Anyway, to me, 4.2.2 is important, so Azbox is the only answer, other than getting a much faster computer. If you're not interested in 4.2.2, then one of the other STBs, like Pansat or one of the newer STBs might be a better choice. Personally, I do 90% of my actual sat viewing by streaming from my PC cards, mainly because I tend to record things for later viewing, or delay live viewing, neither of which I can do with an STB until Azbox fixes their bitrate limit.

Anyway, Azbox is the most capable receiver out there, but be prepared for confusing behavior or bugs.

Thanks for the very detailed response B.J. Wow what an impressive array of Receivers you have. One other question, if you don't have Blindscan with your Azbox Elite then how the heck can you scan in the Satellite Channels? Also as you noted and from reading at at Ricks Sat there have been problems with the External Power Supply on the newest Azbox with Blindscan?

B.J.

Jul 11, 2010

jsattv said:
Thanks for the very detailed response B.J. Wow what an impressive array of Receivers you have. One other question, if you don't have Blindscan with your Azbox Elite then how the heck can you scan in the Satellite Channels? Also as you noted and from reading at at Ricks Sat there have been problems with the External Power Supply on the newest Azbox with Blindscan?

Re array of receivers, not really that many. Many people here have two or three times that many, plus the above are only the ones that do HD.
Re finding signals without blind scan, I do have a couple blind scan receivers, but they only do DVB-S. To find DVB-S2 signals (and other modes like DCII, DSS or turbo FEC, etc), I use my Broadlogic 1030 receiver with a program called BLSCAN, which was written by a fellow named Hans ? (can't spell his last name, but he wrote DVBAPPS). It will do a SLOW scan of the whole sat, generating a text file, which I load into a VB program I wrote, which will generate a spectrum plot of the sat band, and it will allow you to determine the frequency, and get a rough approximation of the SR. Then I tune my analog receiver to each frequency and use a shortwave receiver to tell me the exact SR of the signal. I then manually enter the S2 signals into the Azbox, and via trial and error find the FEC/pilot parameters.

A bit time consuming. Usually takes me about 8 minutes per polarity to do the scans, then another 4-5 minnutes to find the SR of each new signal I find.
However most transponders I just find on Lyngsat and other lists. An S2 blind scan capability would be a lot easier, but I'd still do the above, because blind scan receivers generally miss a lot of transponders, plus not all the signals are DVB or DVB-S2.

jsattv

Jul 12, 2010

B.J. said:
Re array of receivers, not really that many. Many people here have two or three times that many, plus the above are only the ones that do HD.
Re finding signals without blind scan, I do have a couple blind scan receivers, but they only do DVB-S. To find DVB-S2 signals (and other modes like DCII, DSS or turbo FEC, etc), I use my Broadlogic 1030 receiver with a program called BLSCAN, which was written by a fellow named Hans ? (can't spell his last name, but he wrote DVBAPPS). It will do a SLOW scan of the whole sat, generating a text file, which I load into a VB program I wrote, which will generate a spectrum plot of the sat band, and it will allow you to determine the frequency, and get a rough approximation of the SR. Then I tune my analog receiver to each frequency and use a shortwave receiver to tell me the exact SR of the signal. I then manually enter the S2 signals into the Azbox, and via trial and error find the FEC/pilot parameters.

A bit time consuming. Usually takes me about 8 minutes per polarity to do the scans, then another 4-5 minnutes to find the SR of each new signal I find.
However most transponders I just find on Lyngsat and other lists. An S2 blind scan capability would be a lot easier, but I'd still do the above, because blind scan receivers generally miss a lot of transponders, plus not all the signals are DVB or DVB-S2.

BJ thanks for the reply, scanning in your Satellite Tp's sounds pretty complicated. For now I think I'll look for an HD Rx with Blindscan. So is the the Azbox Ultra HD the one of choice with all the other goodies? Or what would I be missing? An external power supply seems like something I would not miss anyways.

B.J.

Jul 13, 2010

I don't know much about the Ultra. Perhaps someone who owns one might help. All I know is that it has a USB port up front, which is nice, however it has a non-removable single tuner, which is different from the other models.

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DISH Has Made it Impossible to be a VIP211k Owner

For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

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Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

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Nebugeater said:
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

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tparker said:
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

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Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

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Nebugeater said:
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Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

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dishstaller said:
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.

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Yesterday at 5:37 PM

They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.

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Although my VIP211K hasn't been subscribed or connected to a dish in probably 5 years since canceling service, my 1 TB HDD full of programming still works fine.

Upon occasion I power it up to watch something I recorded as far back as 2010. The last time I had it going in September it even let me rescan the local OTA channels which I think it refused at some earlier time. I will use it until the day it fails but this topic makes me think some software download is responsible for current subscribers.

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Last reply Yesterday at 7:37 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

NBA League Pass

Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?

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zippyfrog

Wednesday at 4:54 AM

I found my answer...when I log into the NBA app on my phone and try to watch, it gives me a more clear answer that it acknowledges I have paid for NBA League Pass from Dish and it is linked, but I need an "upgraded" subscription to League Pass for the preseason games. So I guess it is by design that Dish does not show the preseason games on League pass and that the contract Dish has signed for league pass is explicitly for the regular season games. (I know the description for League Pass says regular season games, but I thought that was only by satellite and the preseason would have worked)

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Darrell S

Yesterday at 7:37 PM

I plan on doing what I did last season. I ordered the more expensive arena feed version from the NBA website. It's worth it because you get to watch what's going on in the arena instead of just staring at the ad break slide on the Dish version. The main advantage to ordering from the website is you can go on a month by month basis and cancel if you get tired of it.

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Ramy

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Last reply Yesterday at 6:20 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Thursday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Thursday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Thursday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Thursday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Thursday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Thursday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

Yespage

Yesterday at 10:04 AM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.

AZ. said:
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.

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meStevo

Yesterday at 6:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one

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Former member 209992

Last reply Yesterday at 5:37 PM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Thursday at 3:39 PM

Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

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Foxbat

Thursday at 3:42 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

WTF… …What the Foxbat!

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 12:29 AM

Foxbat said:
WTF… …What the Foxbat!

wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 12:38 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you

I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 6:03 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:31 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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Not likely since that place closed down.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 5:37 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Not likely since that place closed down.

You're no fun.

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Therm

Last reply Yesterday at 4:01 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:56 PM

I really dislike change for the sake of change