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Last reply Jul 13, 2010 · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

Polarity & Scanning in V & H Transponders on C and KU Band Question

I recently had a 2 hour power failure in our area resulting in a complete loss of all Channels & Satellites on my Viewsat Sat Receiver on my 12 Footer Mesh Dish. I had a lot of older not working channels & about 15 Sats and many channels which had been changed and were no longer coming in, so a rescan was needed anyways.

In rescanning via a Blind Scan I used to always get duplicate channels when the Blind Scan of a Satellite goes through the V and H Transponders scan process. I thought I had it resolved when on redoing 97.0W - Galaxy 19 on KU Band I got about 249 Channels and no duplicates by switching over to V on my Uniden 9900 (which is slaved to my Viewsat FTA Rx via a V Box III) for the V scanning Tp's then switching back on the 9900 to H when the H Transponder channels were scanning in.

Here is the Confusing Part re Polarity:
But yesterday when I scanned in 95.0W- Galaxy 3C on C Band and even though all the Tp's are listed as V Tp's I could NOT get any channels to scan in until I switched the 9900 over to H Polarity on the front of the 9900? It also happened on Sat 101.0W which has all V Tp's. I am totally confused? What am I missing here re V and H Tp's or Polarity?? That is, don't you have to be on V Polarity for the V Tp's and on H Polarity for the H Tp's? Any comments / replies to end this confusion would be greatly appreciated.

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FaT Air

Jun 30, 2010

I bet the Uniden is running your polarity servo. If so - You'll have to scan one polarity at a time.
Select polarity with Uniden, scan that polarity, Switch polarity with the Uniden, scan that polarity.

jsattv

Jul 1, 2010

FaT Air said:
I bet the Uniden is running your polarity servo. If so - You'll have to scan one polarity at a time.
Select polarity with Uniden, scan that polarity, Switch polarity with the Uniden, scan that polarity.

Thanks a lot for the reply Fat Air. Yes the Uniden 9900 is running the Polarity servo and I do switch it over via the Uniden Remote from V to H Polarity. The Blind scan on the Viewsat usually first goes thru all the H Polarity Channels, then switches over to the V Polarity Channels. There is also a signal strength meter on the Viewsat for S and Q levels. What I do is switch the Uniden to V polarity for the V Scan, and then switch the Uniden over to H polarity for the H scan of channels. I guess my point is I am trying to understand how there can be Signalling Levels showing up on H scan when V Polarity only channels are being scanned?

delta_charlie

Jul 2, 2010

jsattv said:
Thanks a lot for the reply Fat Air. Yes the Uniden 9900 is running the Polarity servo and I do switch it over via the Uniden Remote from V to H Polarity. The Blind scan on the Viewsat usually first goes thru all the H Polarity Channels, then switches over to the V Polarity Channels. There is also a signal strength meter on the Viewsat for S and Q levels. What I do is switch the Uniden to V polarity for the V Scan, and then switch the Uniden over to H polarity for the H scan of channels. I guess my point is I am trying to understand how there can be Signalling Levels showing up on H scan when V Polarity only channels are being scanned?

Hi, I think what's going on is the Viewsat uses voltage change to the LNB to signal the vertical or horizontal polarity and assumes the polarity changed when it changed the voltage. When you use an analogue receiver to control the servo motor the polarity will not change with the voltage change so what ends up happing is the DVB receiver thinks it is scanning one polarity and has no idea the polarity did not move so it scans the channels on the wrong polarity.

To fix this simply blind scan one polarity (the same as what is set on the analogue receiver) at a time.

Hope this helps, DC

jsattv

Jul 3, 2010

delta_charlie said:
Hi, I think what's going on is the Viewsat uses voltage change to the LNB to signal the vertical or horizontal polarity and assumes the polarity changed when it changed the voltage. When you use an analogue receiver to control the servo motor the polarity will not change with the voltage change so what ends up happing is the DVB receiver thinks it is scanning one polarity and has no idea the polarity did not move so it scans the channels on the wrong polarity.

To fix this simply blind scan one polarity (the same as what is set on the analogue receiver) at a time.

Hope this helps, DC

Thanks for the comments delta_charlie. I am scanning in one polarity at a time & you are likely correct re the Viewsat. It starts with a H BlindScan then it goes to a V BlindScan. When this is happening I do switch the Uniden 9900 to the V or H Polarity that is being scanned in, and so far it is preventing duplicate channels from being rescanned in.

To more explain the problem / confusion, - yesterday when I scanned in all 70 channels on Galaxy 17 - 91.0W on KU Band, - when the V Polarity was being scanned in I switched the Uniden 9900 over to V Polarity but here is what was coming in:
Searching V Freq S/R Pol
Freq 3560 3921 7250 H

The question is if V is being Searched or scanned in then how the heck can H Polarity show up? For Satellites such as 97.0W when V was being Searched the Pol also showed up as V, and the same thing happened with H Search and Freq Pol. But as you suggest maybe the Viewsat uses Voltage Change when it changes Polarity, but I'm not sure I totally understand this.

B.J.

Jul 4, 2010

jsattv said:
Thanks for the comments delta_charlie. I am scanning in one polarity at a time & you are likely correct re the Viewsat. It starts with a H BlindScan then it goes to a V BlindScan. When this is happening I do switch the Uniden 9900 to the V or H Polarity that is being scanned in, and so far it is preventing duplicate channels from being rescanned in.

To more explain the problem / confusion, - yesterday when I scanned in all 70 channels on Galaxy 17 - 91.0W on KU Band, - when the V Polarity was being scanned in I switched the Uniden 9900 over to V Polarity but here is what was coming in:
Searching V Freq S/R Pol
Freq 3560 3921 7250 H

The question is if V is being Searched or scanned in then how the heck can H Polarity show up? For Satellites such as 97.0W when V was being Searched the Pol also showed up as V, and the same thing happened with H Search and Freq Pol. But as you suggest maybe the Viewsat uses Voltage Change when it changes Polarity, but I'm not sure I totally understand this.

I assume that you did NOT delete all transponders before starting your scan. My guess is that your receiver had these wrong transponders in it's transponder list before you started the scan. I'm not familiar with your receiver, but usually these receivers scan for new freqs, and when they find freqs, they add it to the list of freqs it already has for that sat. Then, after it has scanned for freqs it goes through each freq, both the new ones and old ones, looking for channels. So for one thing, if you're trying to do both H and V on one scan, you'll probably have to switch from H to V during the freq scan, then again H to V during the channel search. So if in the past, you had run scans without changing polarity, the odds are that you have duplicate freqs in your list, and even if you are careful to switch now, those transponders will still be there, plus if you aren't changing polarities during the channel search, you'll only pick up channels of the polarity you left it on after the freq search.
If I understand what you're saying, your receiver must not have the option of scanning just H or V separately, which is unusual, and unfortunate, because it really complicates things. You might be best off just living with having duplicates. It's hard to avoid them if your receiver won't scan one polarity at a time.

jsattv

Jul 10, 2010

B.J. said:
I assume that you did NOT delete all transponders before starting your scan. My guess is that your receiver had these wrong transponders in it's transponder list before you started the scan. I'm not familiar with your receiver, but usually these receivers scan for new freqs, and when they find freqs, they add it to the list of freqs it already has for that sat. Then, after it has scanned for freqs it goes through each freq, both the new ones and old ones, looking for channels. So for one thing, if you're trying to do both H and V on one scan, you'll probably have to switch from H to V during the freq scan, then again H to V during the channel search. So if in the past, you had run scans without changing polarity, the odds are that you have duplicate freqs in your list, and even if you are careful to switch now, those transponders will still be there, plus if you aren't changing polarities during the channel search, you'll only pick up channels of the polarity you left it on after the freq search.
If I understand what you're saying, your receiver must not have the option of scanning just H or V separately, which is unusual, and unfortunate, because it really complicates things. You might be best off just living with having duplicates. It's hard to avoid them if your receiver won't scan one polarity at a time.

BJ, my Viewsat Receiver does have the capability of scanning in Both H and V Tp's separately. First I look up the most current list of Tp's and insert them in while deleting the old ones. Then I set the Uniden 9900 that my VBox III and Mesh Dish is connected to for the Polarity that the Viewsat is Blind Scanning in. So far have scanned in 19 Satellites, and approx 700 channels. Its amazing how much has changed on some Sats.

But I am considering a new Receiver with HD since I moved up to an HDTV last year, and my Viewsat also does NOT have ac-3 capability. Is AzBox one of the better ones? Is there lots of HD channels out there?

B.J.

Jul 10, 2010

jsattv said:
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But I am considering a new Receiver with HD since I moved up to an HDTV last year, and my Viewsat also does NOT have ac-3 capability. Is AzBox one of the better ones? Is there lots of HD channels out there?

There is no one HD receiver that does it all, and there is no receiver that doesn't have bugs, so which is best kind of depends on a tradeoff between what you want to watch and the bugs in the receiver that get's those things.

I have an Azbox elite, Diamond 9000, and Coolsat 8100 STBs, and add to that several PC based receivers like the Twinhan 1020a, TT3200, Broadlogic 1030, and Genpix Skywalker 1, all of which give me HD capability, however to watch HD via the PC receivers, I need to stream to either the Azbox, a ROKU HD1000, or PopCornHour.
Of the STBs, despite the fact that they have yet to come out with anything but beta software for the receiver, and people have been complaining about the receiver's bugs right and left, it is my favorite receiver, mainly because it is the easiest to manually program in DVB-S2 transponders, and it does 4.2.2 HD. The Azbox does have some limitations, primarily that it can't record or play streams of high bitrate HD. I have hopes that someday this will be fixed, but have been waiting over a year, and no fix yet, so it may never come. If it could play high bitrate streams, that would be great, because it would replace both my Roku and PopcornHour.
The Azbox Elite doesn't have blind scan, but people have been reporting all sorts of bugs with the newer models that do have blind scan. I really believe that 90% of the problems people report are due to the way people are using their receivers, as some people don't seem to have any problems, however it's hard to recommend one of those receivers until the source of the problems is determined.
Anyway, to me, 4.2.2 is important, so Azbox is the only answer, other than getting a much faster computer. If you're not interested in 4.2.2, then one of the other STBs, like Pansat or one of the newer STBs might be a better choice. Personally, I do 90% of my actual sat viewing by streaming from my PC cards, mainly because I tend to record things for later viewing, or delay live viewing, neither of which I can do with an STB until Azbox fixes their bitrate limit.

Anyway, Azbox is the most capable receiver out there, but be prepared for confusing behavior or bugs.

jsattv

Jul 11, 2010

B.J. said:
There is no one HD receiver that does it all, and there is no receiver that doesn't have bugs, so which is best kind of depends on a tradeoff between what you want to watch and the bugs in the receiver that get's those things.

I have an Azbox elite, Diamond 9000, and Coolsat 8100 STBs, and add to that several PC based receivers like the Twinhan 1020a, TT3200, Broadlogic 1030, and Genpix Skywalker 1, all of which give me HD capability, however to watch HD via the PC receivers, I need to stream to either the Azbox, a ROKU HD1000, or PopCornHour.
Of the STBs, despite the fact that they have yet to come out with anything but beta software for the receiver, and people have been complaining about the receiver's bugs right and left, it is my favorite receiver, mainly because it is the easiest to manually program in DVB-S2 transponders, and it does 4.2.2 HD. The Azbox does have some limitations, primarily that it can't record or play streams of high bitrate HD. I have hopes that someday this will be fixed, but have been waiting over a year, and no fix yet, so it may never come. If it could play high bitrate streams, that would be great, because it would replace both my Roku and PopcornHour.
The Azbox Elite doesn't have blind scan, but people have been reporting all sorts of bugs with the newer models that do have blind scan. I really believe that 90% of the problems people report are due to the way people are using their receivers, as some people don't seem to have any problems, however it's hard to recommend one of those receivers until the source of the problems is determined.
Anyway, to me, 4.2.2 is important, so Azbox is the only answer, other than getting a much faster computer. If you're not interested in 4.2.2, then one of the other STBs, like Pansat or one of the newer STBs might be a better choice. Personally, I do 90% of my actual sat viewing by streaming from my PC cards, mainly because I tend to record things for later viewing, or delay live viewing, neither of which I can do with an STB until Azbox fixes their bitrate limit.

Anyway, Azbox is the most capable receiver out there, but be prepared for confusing behavior or bugs.

Thanks for the very detailed response B.J. Wow what an impressive array of Receivers you have. One other question, if you don't have Blindscan with your Azbox Elite then how the heck can you scan in the Satellite Channels? Also as you noted and from reading at at Ricks Sat there have been problems with the External Power Supply on the newest Azbox with Blindscan?

B.J.

Jul 11, 2010

jsattv said:
Thanks for the very detailed response B.J. Wow what an impressive array of Receivers you have. One other question, if you don't have Blindscan with your Azbox Elite then how the heck can you scan in the Satellite Channels? Also as you noted and from reading at at Ricks Sat there have been problems with the External Power Supply on the newest Azbox with Blindscan?

Re array of receivers, not really that many. Many people here have two or three times that many, plus the above are only the ones that do HD.
Re finding signals without blind scan, I do have a couple blind scan receivers, but they only do DVB-S. To find DVB-S2 signals (and other modes like DCII, DSS or turbo FEC, etc), I use my Broadlogic 1030 receiver with a program called BLSCAN, which was written by a fellow named Hans ? (can't spell his last name, but he wrote DVBAPPS). It will do a SLOW scan of the whole sat, generating a text file, which I load into a VB program I wrote, which will generate a spectrum plot of the sat band, and it will allow you to determine the frequency, and get a rough approximation of the SR. Then I tune my analog receiver to each frequency and use a shortwave receiver to tell me the exact SR of the signal. I then manually enter the S2 signals into the Azbox, and via trial and error find the FEC/pilot parameters.

A bit time consuming. Usually takes me about 8 minutes per polarity to do the scans, then another 4-5 minnutes to find the SR of each new signal I find.
However most transponders I just find on Lyngsat and other lists. An S2 blind scan capability would be a lot easier, but I'd still do the above, because blind scan receivers generally miss a lot of transponders, plus not all the signals are DVB or DVB-S2.

jsattv

Jul 12, 2010

B.J. said:
Re array of receivers, not really that many. Many people here have two or three times that many, plus the above are only the ones that do HD.
Re finding signals without blind scan, I do have a couple blind scan receivers, but they only do DVB-S. To find DVB-S2 signals (and other modes like DCII, DSS or turbo FEC, etc), I use my Broadlogic 1030 receiver with a program called BLSCAN, which was written by a fellow named Hans ? (can't spell his last name, but he wrote DVBAPPS). It will do a SLOW scan of the whole sat, generating a text file, which I load into a VB program I wrote, which will generate a spectrum plot of the sat band, and it will allow you to determine the frequency, and get a rough approximation of the SR. Then I tune my analog receiver to each frequency and use a shortwave receiver to tell me the exact SR of the signal. I then manually enter the S2 signals into the Azbox, and via trial and error find the FEC/pilot parameters.

A bit time consuming. Usually takes me about 8 minutes per polarity to do the scans, then another 4-5 minnutes to find the SR of each new signal I find.
However most transponders I just find on Lyngsat and other lists. An S2 blind scan capability would be a lot easier, but I'd still do the above, because blind scan receivers generally miss a lot of transponders, plus not all the signals are DVB or DVB-S2.

BJ thanks for the reply, scanning in your Satellite Tp's sounds pretty complicated. For now I think I'll look for an HD Rx with Blindscan. So is the the Azbox Ultra HD the one of choice with all the other goodies? Or what would I be missing? An external power supply seems like something I would not miss anyways.

B.J.

Jul 13, 2010

I don't know much about the Ultra. Perhaps someone who owns one might help. All I know is that it has a USB port up front, which is nice, however it has a non-removable single tuner, which is different from the other models.

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DIRECTV's video subscriber base is the third-largest traditional multi-channel video programming distributor (MVPD) in the U.S. with about 8.2 million subscribers at the end of 1Q26.

The last time it was reported, it was 8.8M at the end of 2Q25, so only a 600,000 loss for 3 quarters, which is a major improvement, since for many years before that, it was losing 500,000 a quarter, 2 Million a year.

It is now losing less than Dish/Sling combined, I believe the Genre Packs are helping to retain and get subscribers.

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raoul5788

May 19, 2026

They have one less as of May 15th. I just couldn't justify almost $150 a month any more. I went to Fubo. Edit: And I've been a Directv customer for 30 years!

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b4pjoe

May 19, 2026

raoul5788 said:
They have one less as of May 15th. I just couldn't justify almost $150 a month any more. I went to Fubo.

Fubo would be a non starter for me. Missing channels:

NBCUniversal Channels: NBC local affiliates, USA Network, Bravo, CNBC, MSNBC, E!, Syfy, Telemundo, and the Golf Channel.
NBC Sports: Regional sports networks like NBC Sports Bay Area, Boston, California, and Philadelphia are also off the air.
Warner Bros. Discovery Channels: TBS, TNT, TruTV, CNN, Discovery Channel, TLC, HGTV, Food Network, and Animal Planet.
A&E Networks: A&E, History, Lifetime, and Vice.
AMC Networks: AMC, IFC, SundanceTV, and WE tv

Plus most of its live TV channels and sports broadcasts are currently delivered in 720p.

Jimbo

May 19, 2026

b4pjoe said:
Fubo would be a non starter for me. Missing channels:

NBCUniversal Channels: NBC local affiliates, USA Network, Bravo, CNBC, MSNBC, E!, Syfy, Telemundo, and the Golf Channel.

NBC Sports: Regional sports networks like NBC Sports Bay Area, Boston, California, and Philadelphia are also off the air.

Warner Bros. Discovery Channels: TBS, TNT, TruTV, CNN, Discovery Channel, TLC, HGTV, Food Network, and Animal Planet.

A&E Networks: A&E, History, Lifetime, and Vice.

AMC Networks: AMC, IFC, SundanceTV, and WE tv

Plus most of its live TV channels and sports broadcasts are currently delivered in 720p.

YouTube TV

raoul5788

May 19, 2026

b4pjoe said:
Fubo would be a non starter for me. Missing channels:

NBCUniversal Channels: NBC local affiliates, USA Network, Bravo, CNBC, MSNBC, E!, Syfy, Telemundo, and the Golf Channel.

NBC Sports: Regional sports networks like NBC Sports Bay Area, Boston, California, and Philadelphia are also off the air.

Warner Bros. Discovery Channels: TBS, TNT, TruTV, CNN, Discovery Channel, TLC, HGTV, Food Network, and Animal Planet.

A&E Networks: A&E, History, Lifetime, and Vice.

AMC Networks: AMC, IFC, SundanceTV, and WE tv

Plus most of its live TV channels and sports broadcasts are currently delivered in 720p.

Understandable. It's always a choice of price vs channels. The $60/month difference made my choice easier.

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Arctic_fox

Today at 12:41 AM

Jimbo said:
YouTube TV

YTTV don't carry the Regional sports channels

dishrich

Today at 1:20 AM

Arctic_fox said:
YTTV don't carry the Regional sports channels

It does still carry the NBC Sports branded RSN's, but obviously in those limited markets...

so2344

Last reply Today at 12:36 AM · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Came back to DirectTV Satellite - Gemini question

Recently came back to DirectTV Satellite service and have two boxes, Gemini and a main HR54.

DirecTV is charging me two "TV access fees" of $10 each, but can only watch TV on the one without the server. Is there anything I can do to fix this?

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FHSPSU67

Apr 25, 2026

First receiver should be free. It is for me.

b4pjoe

Apr 25, 2026

FHSPSU67 said:
First receiver should be free. It is for me.

It is for me too. Back when they merged DIRECTV via Internet and DIRECTV Stream into one service they raised the TV access fee from $7.00 to $10.00 from both streaming and satellite and they eliminated the first receiver free for new customers only. Existing customers weren't affected by the new price and the elimination of the first receiver free policy.

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so2344

May 11, 2026

b4pjoe said:
It is for me too. Back when they merged DIRECTV via Internet and DIRECTV Stream into one service they raised the TV access fee from $7.00 to $10.00 from both streaming and satellite and they eliminated the first receiver free for new customers only. Existing customers weren't affected by the new price and the elimination of the first receiver free policy.

All of this makes me want to cancel satellite again! Customer service said we were getting billed for an old receiver but the call got cut off.

Will call back and try to get this resolved. As of now, only one TV can access satellite service. Would hope they can send another Gemini to be co-located w the main HR54.

so2344

May 28, 2026

Update: after 20 mins on phone with a non North American call center agent, they are sending a tech out. The tech support couldn't understand that the HR54 was at a different TV than the Gemini.

Arctic_fox

Today at 12:36 AM

so2344 said:
Update: after 20 mins on phone with a non North American call center agent, they are sending a tech out. The tech support couldn't understand that the HR54 was at a different TV than the Gemini.

this is why we canceled support and the csr's are garbage even the american ones. it's still under the att system!!!

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Three Tuners?

I have a Hopper with Sling. (Don't know exact model.) A couple nights ago, I went into the DVR screen, and noted that it was recording three programs. Yet I was able to view live TV (that was not one of the channels being recorded.) Did something change? In the past, it would only let me watch one of the channels being recorded, or any recording in the DVR menu. Maybe it was streaming, although there was no indication of that?

Apologies if this has been covered; I searched and didn't find anything.

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Cactus Jack

Jun 3, 2026

So I tested.

Started recording three non-network shows and tried to watch live TV, would not do it, because all three tuners were in use.

Started recording two non-network shows and one network show. Still would not let me tune live TV.

Started recording one non-network show and two network shows, then it allowed live TV.

I would assume then that previously I was recording two or three network shows when it allowed live TV; I honestly don't remember what it was doing, and I didn't think to check.

Thanks for replies, everyone.

PS - How does one know whether a program is streaming? Is there a way to force streaming?

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Bobby

Jun 3, 2026

Cactus Jack said:
So I tested.

Started recording three non-network shows and tried to watch live TV, would not do it, because all three tuners were in use.

Started recording two non-network shows and one network show. Still would not let me tune live TV.

Started recording one non-network show and two network shows, then it allowed live TV.

I would assume then that previously I was recording two or three network shows when it allowed live TV; I honestly don't remember what it was doing, and I didn't think to check.

Thanks for replies, everyone.

PS - How does one know whether a program is streaming? Is there a way to force streaming?

There is no way to force streaming. It is a satellite channel or streaming channel except for the rare occasion that the satellite signal fails. If that happens some, not all, channels will automatically change to streaming. You can tell if the channel is streaming by pressing guide on the remote. if it is a streaming channel the guide will clearly show it that way.

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navychop

Jun 3, 2026

Cough, cough, Hopper3!

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Cactus Jack

Jun 5, 2026

Bobby said:
There is no way to force streaming. It is a satellite channel or streaming channel except for the rare occasion that the satellite signal fails. If that happens some, not all, channels will automatically change to streaming. You can tell if the channel is streaming by pressing guide on the remote. if it is a streaming channel the guide will clearly show it that way.

Thanks, Bobby.

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Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 11:50 PM

chokes hopper 3 all the way... 16 tuners vs 3 tuners is a night and day difference. along with a faster processor. i would call in and see if they would upgrade me or you can buy a hopper 3 from solid signal.

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Smuuth

Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply Yesterday at 10:15 PM · posted in SatelliteGuys Classifieds

WANTED DirecTV LCC

Anyone have a DirecTV Local Channel Connector that you'd like to get rid of at a reasonable price? DirecTV is currently in a contract dispute with owner of my local ABC affiliate.

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b4pjoe

Jun 2, 2026

Smuuth said:
Anyone have a DirecTV Local Channel Connector that you'd like to get rid of at a reasonable price? DirecTV is currently in a contract dispute with owner of my local ABC affiliate.

You should ask DIRECTV for one if you are affected by the dispute. I know in the past they have given them out during a dispute. Not sure if they still do that but it is free to ask.

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Smuuth

Jun 2, 2026

b4pjoe said:
You should ask DIRECTV for one if you are affected by the dispute. I know in the past they have given them out during a dispute. Not sure if they still do that but it is free to ask.

I already asked, but the CS agent said they wouldn't do it. They said the only thing they could do is $10/month bill credit.

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Jimbo

Jun 3, 2026

Smuuth said:
I already asked, but the CS agent said they wouldn't do it. They said the only thing they could do is $10/month bill credit.

Take the $10 and Call Back ...

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Smuuth

Monday at 10:22 AM

Jimbo said:
Take the $10 and Call Back ...

I did that. The response was that the LCC is not available. Escalated the issue to a tech support person with the same results.

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Jimbo

Monday at 10:39 AM

Smuuth said:
I did that. The response was that the LCC is not available. Escalated the issue to a tech support person with the same results.

Could be out of them I guess ... I'd keep trying, every 3-4 days.

If they are not out of them as them WHY you can't get one, seeing Your in a Dispute. Thats what they are for.
I would make them give you a real answer, don't let them off the hook.

I had one, and it worked well, but I believe I gave it to another D* friend (also had a AM21), I know I gave them away ...

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Smuuth

Monday at 10:44 AM

Jimbo said:
Could be out of them I guess ... I'd keep trying, every 3-4 days.

If they are not out of them as them WHY you can't get one, seeing Your in a Dispute. Thats what they are for.

According to the tech support guy, they don't have any in stock. He said I should receive an email when and if they have them. I even told him I would accept a refurbished unit.

Jimbo

Monday at 10:45 AM

Smuuth said:
According to the tech support guy, they don't have any in stock. He said I should receive an email when and if they have them. I even told him I would accept a refurbished unit.

I'm not sure your going to find any Refurbished ones as D* doesn't ask for them back.

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Smuuth

Monday at 10:48 AM

Jimbo said:
I'm not sure your going to find any Refurbished ones as D* doesn't ask for them back.

Yeah, I know. At one point, I even had 3 AM21s but gave them away when I got rid of my last HR54 and switched to the HS17.

Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 10:00 PM

Good luck they haven't made them in years. you could poke around on ebay and see if there's any on there. if not why not a tablo or a zapper box with an antenna connected to it

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Smuuth

Yesterday at 10:09 PM

Arctic_fox said:
Good luck they haven't made them in years. you could poke around on ebay and see if there's any on there. if not why not a tablo or a zapper box with an antenna connected to it

I have my OTA antenna connected to my television directly already so watching is not the issue. The reason I want the LCC is so I could record programs if I'm not at home to watch them live, especially since ABC is carrying both the NBA and NHL playoffs.
I have an active search on eBay and there is one there but he wants $180 plus shipping and I am not going to pay that.

Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 10:12 PM

Smuuth said:
I have my OTA antenna connected to my television directly already so watching is not the issue. The reason I want the LCC is so I could record programs if I'm not at home to watch them live, especially since ABC is carrying both the NBA and NHL playoffs.
I have an active search on eBay and there is one there but he wants $180 plus shipping and I am not going to pay that.

a tablo box is cheaper

Amazon.com

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Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 10:15 PM

why invest in hardware that's going to be boat anchors in a few years?

zippyfrog

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 10:05 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 1:28 PM

Does cable charge box rent?

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RJT79

Yesterday at 4:47 PM

telstar_1 said:
Does cable charge box rent?

The cable company I was with years ago did charge $9.99 for a receiver.

RJ T.
From Illinois

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RJT79

Yesterday at 5:03 PM

zippyfrog said:
Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

I went to try to add the Heartland channel as dummy to see what it would do for me as I own my receiver and have DISH Outdoors and this is what mine shows. (Note however I had to take the 2nd receiver I told you I added the other day off because I was told you can only have 1 receiver when you have a one outlet on the Dish Playmaker and was having issues with the 2nd receiver and I didn't know that and that was done yesterday as well so I am back to one receiver.)

Let's upgrade your package.

Your monthly bill will increase by $6.00 per month.

Breakdown

June 11, 2026 - July 11, 2026
You are changing your programming in the middle of the bill cycle. The bill shown below is your bill for next month including prorations and credits. Your following bill will return to the fixed rate. This bill will take effect from now until July 11, 2026.
Monthly Services
$86.99
Flex Pack
$72.99
Local Channels
$14.00
Add-Ons
$68.98
National Action Pack
$12.00
Regional Action Pack
$12.00
News Pack
$10.00
Paramount+ with Showtime
$10.00
Drama and Classics Pack
$6.00
Heartland Pack
$6.00
Starz Encore Movies
$6.00
On DISH Magazine
$4.99
Starz 2 Mo ($11)
$1.99
Prorated Charges
$7.93
Heartland Pack Jun 11 - Jul 20
$7.93
Order Total
$7.93
Prorated Total
$7.93
Due Today
$7.93

Transition Bill Total
$156.10
Proposed Changes
Your monthly bill will increase by $6.00 per month
Monthly Services
$86.99
Add-Ons
$68.98
FCC Regulatory Surcharge
$0.13
Taxes & Surcharges
$0.00

Monthly Total
$156.10
Prorated Total
$7.93
Order Total
$7.93

Due Today
$7.93

Sounds like an issue with DISH Billing

RJ T.
From Illinois

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zippyfrog

Yesterday at 5:19 PM

I asked again, and the rep I talked to said it is a glitch and that "Access for TV" shouldn't be there - the rep pulled up my future month bills and that charge isn't on it. So I am not going to worry about it right now, but it will be interesting to see when the price changes happen later this year. Will this line item show up? The fact that it is a specific item that is different from anything makes me think it is more than a glitch. But we shall see.

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RJT79

Yesterday at 5:29 PM

zippyfrog said:
I asked again, and the rep I talked to said it is a glitch and that "Access for TV" shouldn't be there - the rep pulled up my future month bills and that charge isn't on it. So I am not going to worry about it right now, but it will be interesting to see when the price changes happen later this year. Will this line item show up? The fact that it is a specific item that is different from anything makes me think it is more than a glitch. But we shall see.

I am hoping they don't add this down the road. Things are expensive the way it is now. Even DIRECTV allows the first receiver free. This would go against DISH and DISH is already loosing subscribers I wouldn't think they would do these kind of tricks but you never know. Always look at your bills for unknow charges. I heard horror stories of people getting charged for things they didn't know were there.

RJ T.
From Illinois

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Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 10:05 PM

telstar_1 said:
Does cable charge box rent?

yes big cable charges crazy dvr fee's and box rental fee's

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teachtom

Last reply Yesterday at 9:21 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Problem when I switch from Bonus View channels back to regular Dish channels

Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks

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HipKat

Yesterday at 5:07 PM

teachtom said:
Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks

First off, great TV. I'm torn between the 77C5 or the 77G5.
It sounds like the handshake between the Receiver and the TV is having a problem. Are you using the free cable that came with the Joey or a higher speed HDMI cable?? That's the f irst place I'd look

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RJT79

Yesterday at 5:17 PM

teachtom said:
Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks

First off, The analog to digital switch, also known as the digital television transition, is the process of converting older analog television broadcasting technology to digital broadcasting. It's used through coaxial cable for the an antenna during the mandatory switch from Analog to Digital on June 12, 2009. You either had to get a converter for your analog (Tube TV) or use a converter box that has the analog or digital tuner or an HDTV which your is and has the tuner built in. Your TV is HD and using an HDMI Cable and nothing is connected by coaxial cable so this wouldn't apply.

In my theory it probably means a new TV. I had a TV go out on my switching between the Smart Screen from the HDMI inputs before because they went faulty. Sometimes electrical surges can cause this. If you have an older home or rent an older home or apartment sometimes the electrical outlets are not grounded and these days HDTV's need a ground which can cause them to malfunction and go bad quicker. Never plug it directly in an outlet. It will damage the TV.

Hope I could be of some assistance.

RJ T.
From Illinois

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teachtom

Yesterday at 7:33 PM

RJT79 said:
First off, The analog to digital switch, also known as the digital television transition, is the process of converting older analog television broadcasting technology to digital broadcasting. It's used through coaxial cable for the an antenna during the mandatory switch from Analog to Digital on June 12, 2009. You either had to get a converter for your analog (Tube TV) or use a converter box that has the analog or digital tuner or an HDTV which your is and has the tuner built in. Your TV is HD and using an HDMI Cable and nothing is connected by coaxial cable so this wouldn't apply.

In my theory it probably means a new TV. I had a TV go out on my switching between the Smart Screen from the HDMI inputs before because they went faulty. Sometimes electrical surges can cause this. If you have an older home or rent an older home or apartment sometimes the electrical outlets are not grounded and these days HDTV's need a ground which can cause them to malfunction and go bad quicker. Never plug it directly in an outlet. It will damage the TV.

Hope I could be of some assistance.

RJ T.
From Illinois

Thank you for the information. I do keep the TV plugged into a surge protector, but we have had pretty strong thunderstorms/lightning in the last month so that have contributed to my problem.The house was built in 2009 so everything seems to be grounded correctly. We have had a power surge also. Seems like no one fixes anything any more, so just get a new one or live with the problem. Thanks

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teachtom

Yesterday at 7:39 PM

HipKat said:
First off, great TV. I'm torn between the 77C5 or the 77G5.
It sounds like the handshake between the Receiver and the TV is having a problem. Are you using the free cable that came with the Joey or a higher speed HDMI cable?? That's the f irst place I'd look

I think the HDMI cable is good, i used one of my own from my 4K atmos system, i'll switch it with another just to check. Also I have a bid in at Greentoe for 77" G5. Thanks

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HipKat

Yesterday at 8:17 PM

teachtom said:
I think the HDMI cable is good, i used one of my own from my 4K atmos system, i'll switch it with another just to check. Also I have a bid in at Greentoe for 77" G5. Thanks

I hope that works. I'm waiting til Black Friday sales

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Darrell S

Yesterday at 9:21 PM

I've had this problem with my older Sony TV. It happens when I just punch in a regular channel number. The only way it works right for me is to push guide and select a regular channel from the guide screen.

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