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Prof 7301 Problem

Hi
I recently purchased and installed a prof 7301 in my computer. I am running win 7 x64 and have installed the 1.1.2.0 x64 win7 driver from prof's website. According to my device manager, the card is recognized and working properly. My problem is that when I try to run dvbdream, the device manager recgonizes the card using prof's bda_prof.dev module. When I click on my card and tell dvbdream to start it, I get an error. Everytime since when I try to start up dvbdream, the program just closes and will not run. Below is a copy from the dvbdream log of when it crashes. It appears to be due to the bda_prof.dev module, but I do not honestly know what all of this mean. Any help on how to get things up and running would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks





EurekaLog 5.1.12

Application:
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1.1 Start Date : Sun, 4 Jul 2010 12:36:42 -0400
1.2 Name/Description: dvbdream.exe
1.3 Version Number : 1.5.3.0
1.4 Parameters :
1.5 Compilation Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:08:44 -0400

Exception:
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2.1 Date : Sun, 4 Jul 2010 12:37:20 -0400
2.2 Address: 10002883
2.3 Module : bda_prof.dev
2.4 Type : EAccessViolation
2.5 Message: Access violation at address 10002883 in module 'bda_prof.dev'. Read of address 00000000.

Active Controls:
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3.1 Form Class : MozillaUIWindowClass
3.2 Form Text : Prof 7301, 7500 and 8000 Tuners - Page 8 - SatelliteGuys.US - Mozilla Firefox
3.3 Control Class: TBitBtn
3.4 Control Text : &Ok

Computer:
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4.1 Name : WES-PC
4.2 User : Wes
4.3 Total Memory : 4096 Mb
4.4 Free Memory : 3907 Mb
4.5 Total Disk : 279.36 Gb
4.6 Free Disk : 45.06 Gb
4.7 System Up Time: 9 hours, 36 minutes, 6 seconds
4.8 Processor : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz
4.9 Display Mode : 2048 x 1152, 32 bit

Operating System:
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5.1 Type : Microsoft Windows Vista
5.2 Build # : 7600
5.3 Update :
5.4 Language: English

Network:
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6.1 IP Address: 000.000.000.000 - 192.168.001.129
6.2 Submask : 000.000.000.000 - 255.255.255.000
6.3 Gateway : 000.000.000.000 - 192.168.001.001
6.4 DNS 1 : 000.000.000.000 - 192.168.001.001
6.5 DNS 2 : 000.000.000.000 - 000.000.000.000
6.6 DHCP : ON - ON

Call Stack Information:
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|Address |Module |Unit |Class|Procedure/Method |Line |
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| Running Thread: ID=2412; Priority=0; Class=; [Main] |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|00530A57|dvbdream.exe|DVBDevice.pas| |DevStartDevice |560[29] |
|005309A4|dvbdream.exe|DVBDevice.pas| |DevStartDevice |531[0] |
|005B243C|dvbdream.exe|dvbdream.dpr | |InitDevice |629[34] |
|005B2320|dvbdream.exe|dvbdream.dpr | |InitDevice |596[1] |
|005B4D6E|dvbdream.exe|dvbdream.dpr | | |1478[203]|
|75CF3675|kernel32.dll| | |BaseThreadInitThunk| |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Modules Information:
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|Handle |Name |Description |Version |Size |Modified |Path |
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|00400000|dvbdream.exe | |1.5.3.0 |3597824 |2010-05-28 21:08:44|C:\dvbdream |
|04E80000|psiparser.dll | |1.1.0.0 |4142137 |2010-05-16 19:04:24|C:\dvbdream |
|10000000|bda_prof.dev | | |45056 |2010-07-04 02:35:36|C:\dvbdream\Devices |
|10100000|lgscroll.dll |Logitech Scroll Enabler (UNICODE) |4.80.103.0 |38912 |2009-07-20 05:00:00|C:\Program Files\Logitech\SetPoint\x86 |
|10D00000|GameHook.dll |Logitech Gaming Hook (UNICODE) |4.80.103.0 |57344 |2009-07-20 05:00:00|C:\Program Files\Logitech\SetPoint\x86 |
|6BD10000|psisrndr.ax |Microsoft Transport Information Filter for MPEG2 based networks.|6.6.7600.16385 |75776 |2009-07-13 21:14:12|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6BD30000|mpg2splt.ax |DirectShow MPEG-2 Splitter. |6.6.7600.16590 |199680 |2010-05-09 05:13:32|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6BD70000|MSVFW32.dll |Microsoft Video for Windows DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |120320 |2009-07-13 21:15:52|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6BDA0000|qcap.dll |DirectShow Runtime. |6.6.7600.16385 |190976 |2009-07-13 21:16:14|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6BDE0000|msvidctl.dll |ActiveX control for streaming video |6.5.7600.16385 |2291712 |2009-07-13 21:15:52|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6C020000|quartz.dll |DirectShow Runtime. |6.6.7600.16490 |1328640 |2009-12-19 05:02:50|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6C1A0000|d3d9.dll |Direct3D 9 Runtime |6.1.7600.16385 |1826816 |2009-07-13 21:15:10|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6C370000|ksproxy.ax |WDM Streaming ActiveMovie Proxy |6.1.7600.16385 |194048 |2009-07-13 21:14:12|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6C3B0000|ATL.DLL |ATL Module for Windows XP (Unicode) |3.5.2284.0 |70144 |2009-07-13 21:14:58|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6C3D0000|MSDvbNP.ax |Microsoft Network Provider for MPEG2 based networks. |6.6.7600.16385 |59904 |2009-07-13 21:14:12|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6C3F0000|tiptsf.dll |Tablet PC Input Panel Text Services Framework |6.1.7600.16385 |348160 |2009-07-13 21:16:18|C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\microsoft shared\ink |
|6CB20000|bdaplgin.ax |Microsoft BDA Device Control Plug-in for MPEG2 based networks. |6.1.7600.16385 |74240 |2009-07-13 21:14:12|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6CB40000|epgparser.dll | | |64512 |2010-05-01 21:54:44|C:\dvbdream |
|6CB60000|ds_mng.dll | | |40448 |2010-05-16 17:49:10|C:\dvbdream |
|6F6D0000|vidcap.ax |Video Capture Interface Server |6.1.7600.16385 |23040 |2009-07-13 21:14:12|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6F6E0000|recmng.dll | | |17920 |2010-05-16 19:44:12|C:\dvbdream |
|6F940000|RICHED32.DLL |Wrapper Dll for Richedit 1.0 |6.1.7600.16385 |8192 |2009-07-13 21:16:14|C:\Windows\system32 |
|6F950000|d3d8thk.dll |Microsoft Direct3D OS Thunk Layer |6.1.7600.16385 |11264 |2009-07-13 21:15:10|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|6FAC0000|des.dll | | |23481 |2006-02-19 12:59:46|C:\dvbdream |
|71B40000|RICHED20.dll |Rich Text Edit Control, v3.1 |5.31.23.1229 |473600 |2009-07-13 21:16:14|C:\Windows\system32 |
|71EB0000|slc.dll |Software Licensing Client Dll |6.1.7600.16385 |27136 |2009-07-13 21:16:16|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|722B0000|dvbstr.dll | | |14336 |2009-05-30 11:58:24|C:\dvbdream |
|722C0000|pes2mpg.dll | | |14848 |2009-06-06 11:07:58|C:\dvbdream |
|73570000|apphelp.dll |Application Compatibility Client Library |6.1.7600.16385 |292352 |2009-07-13 21:14:54|C:\Windows\system32 |
|735C0000|msdmo.dll |DMO Runtime |6.6.7600.16385 |30208 |2009-07-13 21:15:44|C:\Windows\system32 |
|735D0000|PROPSYS.dll |Microsoft Property System |7.0.7600.16385 |988160 |2009-07-13 21:16:14|C:\Windows\system32 |
|736D0000|devenum.dll |Device enumeration. |6.6.7600.16385 |66560 |2009-07-13 21:15:12|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|73820000|MSVCR90.dll |Microsoft® C Runtime Library |9.0.30729.4926 |652608 |2009-06-10 17:14:58|C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.vc90.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.30729.4926_none_508ed732bcbc0e5a |
|738F0000|dwmapi.dll |Microsoft Desktop Window Manager API |6.1.7600.16385 |67072 |2009-07-13 21:15:14|C:\Windows\system32 |
|73910000|uxtheme.dll |Microsoft UxTheme Library |6.1.7600.16385 |245760 |2009-07-13 21:11:26|C:\Windows\system32 |
|73AE0000|olepro32.dll | |6.1.7600.16385 |90112 |2009-07-13 21:16:14|C:\Windows\system32 |
|73B60000|SHFolder.dll |Shell Folder Service |6.1.7600.16385 |7168 |2009-07-13 21:16:16|C:\Windows\system32 |
|73B70000|comctl32.dll |User Experience Controls Library |6.10.7600.16385 |1680896 |2009-07-13 21:03:52|C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7600.16385_none_421189da2b7fabfc|
|73EC0000|version.dll |Version Checking and File Installation Libraries |6.1.7600.16385 |21504 |2009-07-13 21:16:18|C:\Windows\system32 |
|73EE0000|MSVCR80.dll |Microsoft® C Runtime Library |8.0.50727.4927 |632656 |2009-06-10 17:23:12|C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.vc80.crt_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_8.0.50727.4927_none_d08a205e442db5b5 |
|74060000|ntmarta.dll |Windows NT MARTA provider |6.1.7600.16385 |121856 |2009-07-13 21:16:12|C:\Windows\system32 |
|740D0000|wsock32.dll |Windows Socket 32-Bit DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |15360 |2009-07-13 21:16:22|C:\Windows\system32 |
|74930000|midimap.dll |Microsoft MIDI Mapper |6.1.7600.16385 |16896 |2009-07-13 21:15:42|C:\Windows\system32 |
|74940000|MSACM32.dll |Microsoft ACM Audio Filter |6.1.7600.16385 |72192 |2009-07-13 21:15:44|C:\Windows\system32 |
|74960000|wdmaud.drv |Winmm audio system driver |6.1.7600.16385 |172032 |2009-07-13 21:14:10|C:\Windows\system32 |
|74FC0000|msacm32.drv |Microsoft Sound Mapper |6.1.7600.16385 |20992 |2009-07-13 21:14:10|C:\Windows\system32 |
|74FD0000|AVRT.dll |Multimedia Realtime Runtime |6.1.7600.16385 |14336 |2009-07-13 21:15:00|C:\Windows\system32 |
|75010000|ksuser.dll |User CSA Library |6.1.7600.16385 |4608 |2009-07-13 21:15:36|C:\Windows\system32 |
|75140000|AUDIOSES.DLL |Audio Session |6.1.7600.16385 |195584 |2009-07-13 21:14:58|C:\Windows\system32 |
|75180000|MMDevAPI.DLL |MMDevice API |6.1.7600.16385 |213504 |2009-07-13 21:15:42|C:\Windows\system32 |
|754C0000|POWRPROF.dll |Power Profile Helper DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |145408 |2009-07-13 21:16:14|C:\Windows\system32 |
|754F0000|winmm.dll |MCI API DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |194048 |2009-07-13 21:16:20|C:\Windows\system32 |
|75530000|dsound.dll |DirectSound |6.1.7600.16385 |453632 |2009-07-13 21:15:14|C:\Windows\system32 |
|755B0000|winspool.drv |Windows Spooler Driver |6.1.7600.16385 |319488 |2009-07-13 21:14:10|C:\Windows\system32 |
|756E0000|CRYPTBASE.dll |Base cryptographic API DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |36864 |2009-07-13 21:15:08|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|756F0000|SspiCli.dll |Security Support Provider Interface |6.1.7600.16484 |96768 |2009-12-11 03:36:34|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|75750000|GDI32.dll |GDI Client DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |310784 |2009-07-13 21:11:22|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|757E0000|CLBCatQ.DLL |COM+ Configuration Catalog |2001.12.8530.16385|522240 |2009-07-13 21:15:04|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|75870000|WINTRUST.dll |Microsoft Trust Verification APIs |6.1.7600.16493 |172032 |2009-12-29 02:55:36|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|758A0000|iertutil.dll |Run time utility for Internet Explorer |8.0.7600.16385 |2058240 |2009-07-13 21:15:30|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|75AA0000|PSAPI.DLL |Process Status Helper |6.1.7600.16385 |6144 |2009-07-13 21:16:14|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|75AB0000|ole32.dll |Microsoft OLE for Windows |6.1.7600.16385 |1412608 |2009-07-13 21:16:14|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|75C10000|Normaliz.dll |Unicode Normalization DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |2048 |2009-07-13 21:09:02|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|75C20000|LPK.dll |Language Pack |6.1.7600.16385 |25600 |2009-07-13 21:11:24|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|75C30000|msvcrt.dll |Windows NT CRT DLL |7.0.7600.16385 |690688 |2009-07-13 21:15:52|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|75CE0000|kernel32.dll |Windows NT BASE API Client DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |836608 |2009-07-13 21:11:24|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|75DE0000|user32.dll |Multi-User Windows USER API Client DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |833024 |2009-07-13 21:11:26|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|75EE0000|urlmon.dll |OLE32 Extensions for Win32 |8.0.7600.16588 |1225216 |2010-05-06 08:42:06|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|76020000|sechost.dll |Host for SCM/SDDL/LSA Lookup APIs |6.1.7600.16385 |92160 |2009-07-13 21:16:14|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
|76040000|KERNELBASE.dll|Windows NT BASE API Client DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |269824 |2009-07-13 21:11:24|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|76090000|CFGMGR32.dll |Configuration Manager DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |145920 |2009-07-13 21:15:04|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|760C0000|IMM32.DLL |Multi-User Windows IMM32 API Client DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |119808 |2009-07-13 21:11:22|C:\Windows\system32 |
|76120000|wininet.dll |Internet Extensions for Win32 |8.0.7600.16596 |977920 |2010-05-21 01:18:08|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|76220000|RPCRT4.dll |Remote Procedure Call Runtime |6.1.7600.16385 |662528 |2009-07-13 21:11:24|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|76310000|CRYPT32.dll |Crypto API32 |6.1.7600.16385 |1151488 |2009-07-13 21:15:08|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|76460000|MSASN1.dll |ASN.1 Runtime APIs |6.1.7600.16415 |34816 |2009-08-29 02:57:32|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|764D0000|MSCTF.dll |MSCTF Server DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |828928 |2009-07-13 21:15:44|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|76630000|oleaut32.dll | |6.1.7600.16385 |571904 |2009-07-13 21:16:14|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|766C0000|ADVAPI32.dll |Advanced Windows 32 Base API |6.1.7600.16385 |640000 |2009-07-13 21:14:54|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|76760000|WLDAP32.dll |Win32 LDAP API DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |268800 |2009-07-13 21:16:20|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|767B0000|comdlg32.dll |Common Dialogs DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |486912 |2009-07-13 21:15:08|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|76830000|setupapi.dll |Windows Setup API |6.1.7600.16385 |1668608 |2009-07-13 21:16:16|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|769D0000|WS2_32.dll |Windows Socket 2.0 32-Bit DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |206336 |2009-07-13 21:16:22|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|76A10000|shell32.dll |Windows Shell Common Dll |6.1.7600.16532 |12867072|2010-02-18 03:34:02|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|77660000|SHLWAPI.dll |Shell Light-weight Utility Library |6.1.7600.16385 |350208 |2009-07-13 21:16:16|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|776C0000|DEVOBJ.dll |Device Information Set DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |64512 |2009-07-13 21:15:12|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|776E0000|USP10.dll |Uniscribe Unicode script processor |1.626.7600.16385 |627200 |2009-07-13 21:16:18|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|77B50000|NSI.dll |NSI User-mode interface DLL |6.1.7600.16385 |8704 |2009-07-13 21:16:12|C:\Windows\syswow64 |
|77B80000|ntdll.dll |NT Layer DLL |6.1.7600.16559 |1289528 |2010-03-24 02:37:06|C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
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Registers:
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EAX: 00000000 EDI: 76633EAE
EBX: 10007BC4 ESI: 00000000
ECX: 029FC8BC ESP: 0018FE4C
EDX: 0008E3B8 EIP: 10002883

Stack: Memory Dump:
------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
0018FE4C: 0018FE94 10002883: 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8D 45 FC 56 50 E8 AF F1 FF FF ..P.Q..E.VP.....
0018FE50: 10007B64 10002893: 89 75 F0 8D 45 DC 50 FF D7 8B 45 18 3B C6 74 06 .u..E.P...E.;.t.
0018FE54: 00000000 100028A3: 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8B 45 F4 8B 08 56 8D 55 FC 52 ..P.Q..E...V.U.R
0018FE58: 00180008 100028B3: 6A 01 50 FF 51 0C 85 C0 0F 84 1C FF FF FF 8B 45 j.P.Q..........E
0018FE5C: 00000000 100028C3: FC 3B C6 74 09 89 75 FC 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8B 45 .;.t..u...P.Q..E
0018FE60: 02912804 100028D3: F4 3B C6 74 09 89 75 F4 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8B 45 .;.t..u...P.Q..E
0018FE64: 011ED7B0 100028E3: F8 3B C6 74 16 89 75 F8 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8B 45 .;.t..u...P.Q..E
0018FE68: 00000017 100028F3: F8 3B C6 74 06 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8B 45 F4 3B C6 .;.t...P.Q..E.;.
0018FE6C: 00000000 10002903: 74 06 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8B 45 FC 3B C6 74 06 8B t...P.Q..E.;.t..
0018FE70: 011EA070 10002913: 08 50 FF 51 08 33 C0 5F 5E 5B C9 C2 14 00 8B 45 .P.Q.3._^[.....E
0018FE74: 011EBE78 10002923: FC 3B C6 74 09 89 75 FC 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8B 45 .;.t..u...P.Q..E
0018FE78: 00000000 10002933: F4 3B C6 74 09 89 75 F4 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8B 45 .;.t..u...P.Q..E
0018FE7C: 0018FEB4 10002943: F8 3B C6 74 09 89 75 F8 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8B 45 .;.t..u...P.Q..E
0018FE80: 100031B5 10002953: 18 3B C6 74 99 EB 91 8B 45 FC 3B C6 74 09 89 75 .;.t....E.;.t..u
0018FE84: 65E8773D 10002963: FC 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8B 45 F4 3B C6 74 09 89 75 ...P.Q..E.;.t..u
0018FE88: 11D08F56 10002973: F4 8B 08 50 FF 51 08 8B 45 F8 3B C6 74 09 89 75 ...P.Q..E.;.t..u
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pendragon
Do you have any other drivers for BDA-based tuners installed on this system? Prof's bda.dev does not get along very well with some of them. I had to manually rip out my DVB World 2104 drivers on XP to get DVB Dream to work with Prof 7301 and 7500 tuners.
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dm-_bobjr
No. This is the first card that I have installed since I installed Win 7. I have also installed progdvb to see it would work also. It too, recognizes the card but puts a red x by the card name in the device manager when I try to start it. Is it possible that the two programs are conflicting, and/or a bad card?
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pendragon
What other peripheral devices or cards do you have installed on your machine? The crash dump suggests there may be one or more.

The problem with the Prof bda.dev is that when it finds something it thinks might be a BDA device, you can get crashes very much like this. You do not have to have manually installed a driver or even have the device connected for this to happen. I've hassled Prof about fixing this, but so far they haven't recognized this as their problem. Of course, you may be experiencing something completely different.
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dm-_bobjr
I used to have a Pinnacle TV usb tuner installed, but I have since uninstalled it. When I first put built this computer and put win 7 on it, I put my old technisat card in. I could never find any win7 drivers for it, so I never installed anything for it. That I know of, windows never installed any drivers for it, as it always showed up with a yellow question mark in my device manager.
The only other cards that I have in are my video and sound cards. I have installed my old scanner lately, but I doubt that would have much affect.
Short of doing a clean install, is there a way to try and fix this?
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pendragon
Unfortunately uninstalling a driver doesn't always purge the system of all remnants. Based on your error looking all but identical to what I experienced, I am inclined to suspect you have not completely 'cleansed' your system from one of your previous tuners. In my case I had a DVB World USB tuner whose driver was 'uninstalled', but I had to manually go through the Windows files and delete everything left over.

The sure way to tell is to remove Prof's bda.dev and use the default one that came with DVB Dream. If DVB Dream starts up with the latter, then you have the problem described. Unfortunately if you don't use the Prof version, you won't be able to command DiSEqc and other useful stuff.
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Anony55
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DISH Has Made it Impossible to be a VIP211k Owner

For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
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Nebugeater said:
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
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Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
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Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
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Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
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Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
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dishstaller said:
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
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It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.
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They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.
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Although my VIP211K hasn't been subscribed or connected to a dish in probably 5 years since canceling service, my 1 TB HDD full of programming still works fine.

Upon occasion I power it up to watch something I recorded as far back as 2010. The last time I had it going in September it even let me rescan the local OTA channels which I think it refused at some earlier time. I will use it until the day it fails but this topic makes me think some software download is responsible for current subscribers.
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NBA League Pass

Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?
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I found my answer...when I log into the NBA app on my phone and try to watch, it gives me a more clear answer that it acknowledges I have paid for NBA League Pass from Dish and it is linked, but I need an "upgraded" subscription to League Pass for the preseason games. So I guess it is by design that Dish does not show the preseason games on League pass and that the contract Dish has signed for league pass is explicitly for the regular season games. (I know the description for League Pass says regular season games, but I thought that was only by satellite and the preseason would have worked)
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I plan on doing what I did last season. I ordered the more expensive arena feed version from the NBA website. It's worth it because you get to watch what's going on in the arena instead of just staring at the ad break slide on the Dish version. The main advantage to ordering from the website is you can go on a month by month basis and cancel if you get tired of it.
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley
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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
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Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
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One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
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AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
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There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
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Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
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Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
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AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
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Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
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Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
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Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
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Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
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Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.
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IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?
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AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.
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A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.
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We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
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That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.
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Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.
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Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one 🤣
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Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
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slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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Not likely since that place closed down.
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Not likely since that place closed down.
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You're no fun.😑
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Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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dishdude said:
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"
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"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"
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Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.
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New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
www.apple.com

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.
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Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
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slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.
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navychop said:
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
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You should have looked in the APP STORE instead. ;)
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Dish Offers

Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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look again mine says free for 1 month
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slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month
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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month
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You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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wonder why it says that
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Answer 2 minutes ago from DISH Care via Facebook Messenger:
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This Week in Space 232

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Edq2eavsQ


Direct YouTube Link - This Week in Space 232
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Tim Cook, Elton John & King Charles: A Royal Tech Event

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oRVxjGm0qtE


Direct YouTube Link - Tim Cook, Elton John & King Charles: A Royal Tech Event
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