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I,ve started reading this forum again this morning after a really long time and found only bad news. But I don't understand why nobody is thinking the obvious to sue thes edamn providers. Because I know one thing. Motorola can't shut this thing down with like 4 providers still operating because they will send these providers completely out of business and they may sue Motorola. But they're completely agreeing with Motorola to shut this business down so I think they might have gotten a CHUNK OF MONEY already. The first one of them is NPS I left them and when with programmming center that at first told me that what NPS was telling people was not true. As a matter of fact they still haven't notified me as a subscriber that my equipment may not work after dec 31 but on their webside they changed there programing to only 3 months yes they went to change that but they don't even change the channel names that has been changed from over a year ago or channels that has left C BAND. That's the reason c band is gonna die this end of this year. Because of all these stupid providers. All of them NPS skyvision,srl and programming center. WHY? Because first of all they let all the channels go the channels are on c band but they don't let us subscribe and the providers don't even try to make a deal with the channels they say ok well go then. This year alone we lost cartoon network showtime and all the D.M.X channels. OH and I forgot altitude. ESPN,ESPN2 and the DISNEY channel are still on vc2 plus mode but no all the providers are to lazy to make a contract with them so we can subscribe. SO now what's next? Well these 3 providers can finally buy a yacht and sail around the world with the boatload of money they got from MOtorola and DISH network and yes I know DIsh network has something to do with this and we stuck with our dead equipment? NO Listen This is the law. WE OWN our 4dtv receivers we don't lease them. So if they want to stop supporting them they need to do the following. 1tify us 1 year in advance that the system we're using will no longer be useless. 2:Help us get a replacement for the product that we;re using so they will have to get us Dishnetwork and even give us a few months free for the inconvinience and pay for the removel of the big C band dish. I got my dish for free. But I still had to pay over $600 to rent tools to dig it out of the ground,to rent a truck,to put it in my backyard and pay 3 guys to help me with it all. And I still haven't even got AN OFFICIAL notice from my provider saying my equipment will be useless soon. IF I"M not on this forum I won't know that they're about to shut down C band. That's a factor 2. Because in court when the judge asks where is your official statement I have none so I can even say that I didn't know that they're gonna shut down C band till I turn my tv on and find it not working. And that's against the law. When something like this happens the providers ABSOLUTELY Have to give us an official statement saying that our equipment is gonna be useless so we have time. And about skyvision. They are another lazy bum. They want to turn our 4dtv into the dsr 410 so they don't have to make deals with the other channels to get us master feeds. Yes they will continue the same way they are doing it now like yeah just give them W5 and if they want the rest tell them to get dishnetwork. I prefer they would just go away completely kill the thing and leave it dead until somebody with real business sense pick up this business and get it going again. They're just TERRIBLE. WE have so much great equipment our receivers may be old but THEY ARE HD COMPATIBLE but these providers we're to lazy to make a deal for us and get us anything in HD. ANYHOW. One last thing. I wish we could get in contact with apple computer because I think they're the ones that should take this 4dtv thing over. Because they are a big company and are experts in both hardware and software so they will figure out this Digicipher 2 technology faster then Motorola could in years and since you all want something so modern and high tech they could integrate a dc 2 receiver into their apple tv box and that way everybody would like that. And to the folks from NPS,SKYVISION,SRL,And programming center:THank you all for ruining something this great like c band dish. I never saw a business that terrible in my whole life. YOU guys are the worse business suicide people I've seen in my entire life. YOu killed this business so you could get money from dishnetwork. Thank you all for ruining everything and making people spending more money again to buy small dish stuff!!!!!!! I hope u all have a nice unemployed life!!!