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Hello!

In 1991 when my house was built, it was originally cabled with a big dish setup. One main receiver (General Instrument Video Cipher II Plus 2400R) was used to manipulate the dish and send signal to 7 rooms in the house. Those original cables still come into the house in a thick bundle, but are no longer used.

In 2001 or so, we "upgraded" to DirecTV after realizing that the cost of just calling a dish repair tech to the house would cost more than the entire DirecTV installation with its better digital reception (I personally miss the old dish and the ability to "tune" it by manually directing it to different patches of sky).

When we spoke on the phone with the rep, they said that they could use the existing cables and the technician said the same thing when he arrived. He then proceeded to disconnect cables willy-nilly and waste 5 or 6 hours before saying, "I don't know what to do." He came back the next day with the magical solution of just putting in new cables to 3 of the rooms (we have had no more than 3 receivers).

I guess my question is, what's going to be my easiest option for moving a receiver to different rooms which are already cabled for a disconnected system? I'm open to anything and I have some DIY ability. I sincerely wish to avoid calling a DirecTV tech out to monkey around drilling new holes in my house, and I don't really want to run 200 feet of RF cable around my floorboards and doorways from "active" rooms.

Thanks! :angel:
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Jimbo
Hello!

In 1991 when my house was built, it was originally cabled with a big dish setup. One main receiver (General Instrument Video Cipher II Plus 2400R) was used to manipulate the dish and send signal to 7 rooms in the house. Those original cables still come into the house in a thick bundle, but are no longer used.

In 2001 or so, we "upgraded" to DirecTV after realizing that the cost of just calling a dish repair tech to the house would cost more than the entire DirecTV installation with its better digital reception (I personally miss the old dish and the ability to "tune" it by manually directing it to different patches of sky).

When we spoke on the phone with the rep, they said that they could use the existing cables and the technician said the same thing when he arrived. He then proceeded to disconnect cables willy-nilly and waste 5 or 6 hours before saying, "I don't know what to do." He came back the next day with the magical solution of just putting in new cables to 3 of the rooms (we have had no more than 3 receivers).

I guess my question is, what's going to be my easiest option for moving a receiver to different rooms which are already cabled for a disconnected system? I'm open to anything and I have some DIY ability. I sincerely wish to avoid calling a DirecTV tech out to monkey around drilling new holes in my house, and I don't really want to run 200 feet of RF cable around my floorboards and doorways from "active" rooms.

Thanks! :angel:

Don't your existing cables come to a central location ?
You mentioned 7 rooms having cable already, where do they go to ?
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Don't your existing cables come to a central location ?
You mentioned 7 rooms having cable already, where do they go to ?
Thanks Jimbo,

I did some investigating of the setup. 4 cables come from the old dish straight into the house in a bundle: 2 RF cables, a power cable (Red/black/ground), and a control cable (labeled pulse, etc). Right now they terminate in the living room behind the TV where they used to connect to the old receiver and power supply, not plugged into anything.

On the wall where the cables come out, there are 4 boxes screwed onto the wall: DLS Signal Combiner (in use to combine antenna & sat), DLSPro UHF/VHF amp (not used? there is only a cable at IN, not OUT)), "Channel Master" (in use, not sure what it does), a 3-way splitter, and a DLS TV/VCR distribution amp (in use). I'm not sure which of these would have been used with the big dish, or if they're all new. Also, I'm unsure how the big dish modulated signal would have been supplied to the rest of the house.

And I just looked in the water heater closet and there's a charlie foxtrot of original and new cabling in there with two 2-way splitters and two 4-way splitters... I can't get in the attic to trace them without dying thanks to the summer heat, but it looks like the one output signal from the old dish receiver comes in, gets split a bunch of times, and then goes to the rest of the house.

I wasn't here when the DTV was installed, and I didn't have much time today, so I wasn't able to draw an input/output diagram. But I should be able to do that later today.

Outside, the two DTV wires come to a Zinwell 3x4 Multiswitch with 4 outputs, all cabled even though there are only 3 receivers in the house.

I apologize for the unorganized information, but I'm only just now learning about this stuff as it becomes necessary!

Is there any easy way to trace where cables begin and terminate? Some kind of sender-receiver for each end? Hopefully an inexpensive way.

Thanks for any info! :)
ebms1
Thanks Jimbo,

I did some investigating of the setup. 4 cables come from the old dish straight into the house in a bundle: 2 RF cables, a power cable (Red/black/ground), and a control cable (labeled pulse, etc). Right now they terminate in the living room behind the TV where they used to connect to the old receiver and power supply, not plugged into anything.

On the wall where the cables come out, there are 4 boxes screwed onto the wall: DLS Signal Combiner (in use to combine antenna & sat), DLSPro UHF/VHF amp (not used? there is only a cable at IN, not OUT)), "Channel Master" (in use, not sure what it does), a 3-way splitter, and a DLS TV/VCR distribution amp (in use). I'm not sure which of these would have been used with the big dish, or if they're all new. Also, I'm unsure how the big dish modulated signal would have been supplied to the rest of the house.

And I just looked in the water heater closet and there's a charlie foxtrot of original and new cabling in there with two 2-way splitters and two 4-way splitters... I can't get in the attic to trace them without dying thanks to the summer heat, but it looks like the one output signal from the old dish receiver comes in, gets split a bunch of times, and then goes to the rest of the house.

I wasn't here when the DTV was installed, and I didn't have much time today, so I wasn't able to draw an input/output diagram. But I should be able to do that later today.

Outside, the two DTV wires come to a Zinwell 3x4 Multiswitch with 4 outputs, all cabled even though there are only 3 receivers in the house.

I apologize for the unorganized information, but I'm only just now learning about this stuff as it becomes necessary!

Is there any easy way to trace where cables begin and terminate? Some kind of sender-receiver for each end? Hopefully an inexpensive way.

Thanks for any info! :)

if all you have is 3 recvrs .... the other may be connected to anothr room he found in the mix & left it connected...

to find the room connected if you cant just follow the wires ... just turn on all the tv's & disconnect them one by one & see what goes out ... be sure to label them ... after you find the 3 good wires ... you can take a recvr in each room uther that have cables in them & see if that 4th wire goes to any other...
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if all you have is 3 recvrs .... the other may be connected to anothr room he found in the mix & left it connected...

to find the room connected if you cant just follow the wires ... just turn on all the tv's & disconnect them one by one & see what goes out ... be sure to label them ... after you find the 3 good wires ... you can take a recvr in each room uther that have cables in them & see if that 4th wire goes to any other...

Well, the problem with that is that the DTV tech didn't use the existing wall jacks... he drilled new holes in my ceiling and walls and just ran the cable through! I have drawn up a schematic as best I could manage without getting inside the attic to see where the cables terminate. I'm uncertain of industry standards, so my annotations may not be the best. Hopefully this will shed some light on how I might be able to rearrange cables to my advantage.
Cableschematic-2.jpg
The box labeled "S&S" is the old dish receiver (where it would be). "DTV" is a directv rcvr... I honestly don't know what the "channel master" is or does, since it has nothing written on it other than that. Boxes labeled "2W" are 2way splitters, "4W" are 4way splitters. The DLS TV/VCR distributor is some kind of amp, but it has a switch on the input side labeled "FM TRAP" to switch to IN or OUT. Thanks for any input you guys might have! :D
Jimbo
Only thing you really need to find are the feeds to your rooms.
It's really hard to tell when they go into your attic.

You can buy a tone generator for the coax, but the cheapest ones I've seen are about $ 40-50.

Check this :

http://www.web-tronics.com/coaxmapwitto.html
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Only thing you really need to find are the feeds to your rooms.
It's really hard to tell when they go into your attic.

You can buy a tone generator for the coax, but the cheapest ones I've seen are about $ 40-50.

Check this :

COAX MAPPER with Tone Generator (CX 200)

Well, even if I found the terminal points, I'm not sure how I should rewire the system with what I have.

I tried connecting a DTV box coax out and the antenna signal with the signal combiner and plugging the resultant output into the old big dish outlet jack which then supposedly goes to the splitter setup to be split 8 ways. Unfortunately, the little TV I used to test the jacks didn't receive a satellite signal in any of the rooms... and then the antenna signal no longer made it to the other rooms (I've since returned the cables to the way they were this morning and there's still no antenna signal in the other rooms. I'll have to figure that one out.) I'm really unsure how the antenna signal is wired; the inlet clearly goes to the CM power supply, and the outlet clearly goes into the signal combiner into a 2-way, one output of which goes somewhere into the wall.

To complicate things further, the DTV tech clearly messed with the splitters in the utility closet, with a couple of new RG6 cables joining the fray of RG59. There's even one hanging unconnected in the closet with a connector unlike any of the others! I believe I will have to do as you say and just fork out cash for a tone generator. :rolleyes:

I know the fubar of splitters is a terrible idea and absolutely does result in wacky signal strength (if 3 TVs were watching the satellite at the same time, the picture would start getting worse), especially considering some really bad jobs of crimp connector termination. Frustrating!

Thanks once again!
J
Jimbo
Well, even if I found the terminal points, I'm not sure how I should rewire the system with what I have.

I tried connecting a DTV box coax out and the antenna signal with the signal combiner and plugging the resultant output into the old big dish outlet jack which then supposedly goes to the splitter setup to be split 8 ways. Unfortunately, the little TV I used to test the jacks didn't receive a satellite signal in any of the rooms... and then the antenna signal no longer made it to the other rooms (I've since returned the cables to the way they were this morning and there's still no antenna signal in the other rooms. I'll have to figure that one out.) I'm really unsure how the antenna signal is wired; the inlet clearly goes to the CM power supply, and the outlet clearly goes into the signal combiner into a 2-way, one output of which goes somewhere into the wall.

To complicate things further, the DTV tech clearly messed with the splitters in the utility closet, with a couple of new RG6 cables joining the fray of RG59. There's even one hanging unconnected in the closet with a connector unlike any of the others! I believe I will have to do as you say and just fork out cash for a tone generator. :rolleyes:

I know the fubar of splitters is a terrible idea and absolutely does result in wacky signal strength (if 3 TVs were watching the satellite at the same time, the picture would start getting worse), especially considering some really bad jobs of crimp connector termination. Frustrating!

Thanks once again!
J

You DO know you cannot have any coax splitters between the D* LNB and the recvr, right ?
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I'd like to see even the best DirecTv tech figure out my SMATV and A/V setup. :eek: These guys mostly aren't trained in nothing but point and click. They can somewhat aim a small dish and connect tab A into slot B for cabling.

I have to figure out some crazy setups in my line of work and it can take time to trace and understand. If all you know is textbook on what Direct taught you, good luck on anything off the beaten path. That what separates the men from the boys.

All I had my installer do when he came out was authorize the STB. He even admitted I could do a better install of the dish then he could. I put the system together my way.

I suggest let Direct do their thing then put it together the way you want after it's done if you want something custom.
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I'd like to see even the best DirecTv tech figure out my SMATV and A/V setup. :eek: These guys mostly aren't trained in nothing but point and click. They can somewhat aim a small dish and connect tab A into slot B for cabling.

I have to figure out some crazy setups in my line of work and it can take time to trace and understand. If all you know is textbook on what Direct taught you, good luck on anything off the beaten path. That what separates the men from the boys.

All I had my installer do when he came out was authorize the STB. He even admitted I could do a better install of the dish then he could. I put the system together my way.

I suggest let Direct do their thing then put it together the way you want after it's done if you want something custom.


I fear that you are a tad wrong. Yes, the HSP tech running around the country can probably only point and click, I've been out here for 24 years and yes, I am a satellite installer, but my knowledge is light years away from point and click...Generalization is the number one cause of stereotyping an individual...
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I fear that you are a tad wrong. Yes, the HSP tech running around the country can probably only point and click, I've been out here for 24 years and yes, I am a satellite installer, but my knowledge is light years away from point and click...Generalization is the number one cause of stereotyping an individual...

Maybe I need to rephrase a bit. This may be the case with you and others, but most that do the small dish installs are not ones that can handle anything intense. Most that have higher knowledge and skills use them in much higher involved forms of work than tossing up pizza systems, especially at the consumer level.
ebms1
Well, the problem with that is that the DTV tech didn't use the existing wall jacks... he drilled new holes in my ceiling and walls and just ran the cable through! I have drawn up a schematic as best I could manage without getting inside the attic to see where the cables terminate. I'm uncertain of industry standards, so my annotations may not be the best. Hopefully this will shed some light on how I might be able to rearrange cables to my advantage.
Cableschematic-2.jpg
The box labeled "S&S" is the old dish receiver (where it would be). "DTV" is a directv rcvr... I honestly don't know what the "channel master" is or does, since it has nothing written on it other than that. Boxes labeled "2W" are 2way splitters, "4W" are 4way splitters. The DLS TV/VCR distributor is some kind of amp, but it has a switch on the input side labeled "FM TRAP" to switch to IN or OUT. Thanks for any input you guys might have! :D

with all the Letters & numbers you have there must be or must have been a chart telling you what each wire is ... i can see why the tech ran his own wires....


what you have there is an ant & sat distrubition center ... but it is for ant & tv out from recvr only .... you cant run sat lines thru it ... you could have taken the tv out from a recvr & distributed it thru the house
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I think a point of confusion on my diagram is that this upload doesn't say "LIVING ROOM" above the big box on the right-middle. All that junk is screwed into the wall behind my entertainment center. S&S is the old sat rcvr, DTV is the DTV rcvr, and DSC is the HD converter for the ANT signal for the non-HD tv in that room.
You DO know you cannot have any coax splitters between the D* LNB and the recvr, right ?
Yeah, I know that, but I was trying to send the "TO TV" from the DTV rcvr through the old lines. :D
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This is the most confusing thing ever.
Yeah, I didn't wire it. I'm trying to figure it out. I was upset because they claimed they could do it and then proceeded to dismantle cables left and right without any useful labels or references.
I'd like to see even the best DirecTv tech figure out my SMATV and A/V setup. :eek: These guys mostly aren't trained in nothing but point and click. They can somewhat aim a small dish and connect tab A into slot B for cabling.

All I had my installer do when he came out was authorize the STB. He even admitted I could do a better install of the dish then he could. I put the system together my way.

I suggest let Direct do their thing then put it together the way you want after it's done if you want something custom.
Yeah, they've run their wiring, that's why I'm trying to figure it out now. The complications with all of the devices in the living room area arose pretty much after the antenna installation. I didn't know if any of those were original equipment, but I have figured out where all the original cabling went and where I would have to feed a signal to be split to all rooms. Additionally, I have labeled the cables and their terminal jacks as well as posted a better wiring diagram in the utility closet for any unfortunate soul who needs to perform maintenance on it.
with all the Letters & numbers you have there must be or must have been a chart telling you what each wire is ... i can see why the tech ran his own wires....


what you have there is an ant & sat distrubition center ... but it is for ant & tv out from recvr only .... you cant run sat lines thru it ... you could have taken the tv out from a recvr & distributed it thru the house
LOL, none of the wiring ANYWHERE is labeled, except, for some reason, the control wire for the big dish. I put labels on the chart for my own reference. If the original installers had done that, there probably wouldn't be any issues, but they installed the cables before the drywall and insulation was up so they had no problem just eyeballing it. Everything on that diagram is how it was before I touched anything. :D
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I'd like to see even the best DirecTv tech figure out my SMATV and A/V setup. :eek: These guys mostly aren't trained in nothing but point and click. They can somewhat aim a small dish and connect tab A into slot B for cabling.


Send a rough diagram and I'll do it.
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I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Jimbo
And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

You have services like Hulu Live and You Tube TV that do, what you call Cable, but they ARE Streaming, so Which is is ?

Does it get counted 2x as both Streaming and Cable ?
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But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
Bruce
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.
Jimbo
Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.
If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?


If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.
Bruce
If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?


If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.
Nielsen Streaming Ratings: Third-party measurement firm Nielsen tracks U.S. streaming viewership, releasing weekly reports that measure total minutes viewed across major television sets, broken down by program (such as original, acquired, and movie content) rather than minute-by-minute audience retention curves.
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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...
Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.
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Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.
Jimbo
Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.

Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.
I have turned some off, not others ...
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Funny thing is that as the screen size and pic quality increase, the quality of the programming has DEcreased.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?
Jimbo
You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?
No, I was actually referring to outside of the Top 8, but should have been Top 12 ...

I guess I should have looked at the bracket from last year first ...

I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .
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I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
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AZ.
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
Yep, wonder why we rank the top 25 in 2 poles still? Do the ranking change much if they are unranked or have many loses? They sure do, any given day never take your opponent as a cake walk.....
Jimbo
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time ....however .
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

They are trying to make this Basketball and its a far cry from the way that is played.

How long till they go to 32 teams ? Then they will say, well, the NFL is 32 teams, we can make more money that way .... except the NFL is 32 teams, that are a set number of teams and divisions, you don't have that in College ... oh but they will try.

They would have to choose what teams they would want in and thats it.
Hopefully that NEVER happens.

I can see the NCAA going away and the CFP taking that portion over and a Collective Bargaining agreement coming in the not to distant future.
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The problem with rankings and playoffs is that they are designed to hype the game and make money. Period.

The only reason that BYU and Texas Tech were upsets is that they were hyped up in the standings in the first place. I love watching BYU and Bear Bachmeier. They are a fun and talented team, but not nearly so strong, fast, big, and skilled as a true top ten team. Does anyone truly believe they could compete with the likes of Georgia, Ohio State, Indiana, Alabama, etc.? Yet, they were ranked above those teams.

Each year, there are 10 to 12 teams who truly could compete for the championship if it depended on winning more than one game in a playoff. Including teams like James Madison, Tulane, BYU, etc. in a playoff has nothing to do with determining a national champion. It's just about money.
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Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time
Yes. As shown in a few posts now.


You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

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But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.


I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.


With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.
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Yes. As shown in a few posts now.



But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.


I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.


With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.
No, no ... if you want to make the playoffs, you want to Win it ... If you want to Win it, you need to Win 4-5 games in a row against Top 10 teams for the most part, theres a Possibility you'd play someone out side of the Top 10, but not much.

The Playoffs is a 4-5 game Win or Go Home.