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The start of college football and almost-start of pro football edition!

1. Boise State-Virginia Tech. Wow. Totally lived up to the hype.

2. If North Carolina could play this well with all those players gone, how well will they look if any of them start playing again?

3. Props to Ohio State for not stubbing their toe the week before a big showdown at home. The last two years, they looked sluggish in their home games before they took on USC. This year, no such issues- I expect a VERY confident Buckeye team to show up against Miami.

4. Their game with Miami will be interesting after the two USC games- The U is not the media darling SC was, Ohio State won't be universally dismissed, and the game is not at night- rather, it's an afternoon start!

5. Oklahoma looked surprisingly sluggish against Utah State at home, a place where they usually kill teams like the Aggies. Could Florida State be the team to end their long home winning streak? OU hasn't lost at Norman since I was in high school!

6. The Big East isn't looking so hot so far. Somewhere, SamC is smiling.

7. Remember a few years ago when Auburn and Mississippi State played that 3-2 game? Well, they play on Thursday- let's hope they put on a better show!

8. Michigan football or the Lions- who'll have more wins in 2010?

9. How surprised would you be if Minnesota wins on opening night at the Superdome?

10. Which NFL game on Sunday are you most excited about?

11. I am a Bills fan, and they're playing Miami this weekend. I draftted 3 Dolphins on my Fantasy team, and I have been saying for the past few months that these Bills will be as bad as recent Lions team. What should I do here?!

12. Now that Revis is back with the J-E-T-S, how much does he improve their vaunted defense? Is he REALLY as good as I hear about?

13. How seriously should we take the Yankees' chance to repeat as world champs?

14. Every year, I hear about how the Minnesota Twins are so good at finding ways to win, how Gardenhire is such a great manager, etc. But they have made it past the first round just one time in his tenure- and that was eight years ago. How come they don't get the Cowboys/Chargers blame game for their inability to go far in the postseason more often than not?

15. Fill in the blank- at the end of this year, my NFL team will be (blank).

16. Finally, I want to end on a serious note. A week and a half ago, I underwent surgery to remove a cyst from my back in which 11 stitches were put in. As a result, I have not been able to sit down or lie on my back for a while. Tomorrow, the stitches finally come out!
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1 - Good solid game. As a person who grew up on the edge of the VPI area, it is amazing what that school has done in my liftime. Once a military/engineering school (and once all male) it was JUST the school in SW Virginia, the least populated part of Virginia and the part that is the most unlike either the Tidewater/Richmond or the DC areas, it was considering going I-AA. Today Tech is the state's school, having long passed UVa. Not just in sports, but its a great instituion as well. I felt sorry for them. Boise will now run the table against near I-AA competition.

2 - LSU is that bad.

3 - Finebaum (Alabama homer) is back on SSR/XM and he is living off rube OSU fans calling in and p***ing off the locals with delusional Big 10/OSU statements. Great radio. With USC caught, hopefully the NCAA man turns his attention to Outlaw State.

4 - Miami's time has passed.

5 - OU is the most inconsistant program in the world. Once eliminated from the "national championship" they cease to try.

6 - :) :) :) This is not hard. The only Leastleftover that beat a I-A team was lowly Syracuse, over MAC bottomfeeder Akron. But under the broken BcS system, we could end up with WVU (which is certain to run the table in this cupcake league) with only LSU (which looked bad vs UNC) as the only team to stop this travesty from happening.

8 - Michigan is really bad. Really. Typical deal of hiring a coach who won at the afformentioned WVU, where he had 10 times the resourses of the other league members (and cheated) and puting him over his head at a far higher level.

9 - Very. Mr. Farve, please go away. Every HS has the kid that wants to be begged to go out for a sport. GB did the right thing.

11- This, and the fact that I am very good at it, is why I g****e on sports, rather than play this fantasy stuff.

13 - I would say 25% shot. Most shot of anybody. But the Yankees are getting O L D .

14 - Twins are a mid-sized market (people make me mad when they say its is a small market, it is not) team in baseball's broken system. No comparison to football.

15 - Home watching the Super Bowl on TV.

16 - Feel better dude. And tell us of these things ahead of time, so we can worry.
salsadancer7
4 - Miami's time has passed.

Really? And this is according to what? Gut feeling? Your spider sense is tingling?
I am assuming this is your opinion correct? I mean IF you feel there is some factual basis behind this statement....please, elaborate.

I am dying to hear it...;)
HD MM
Really? And this is according to what? Gut feeling? Your spider sense is tingling?
I am assuming this is your opinion correct? I mean IF you feel there is some factual basis behind this statement....please, elaborate.

I am dying to hear it...;)

LMAO!!!

My Spidey Sense tells me The U is going DOWN on Saturday too!!!
Jimbo
4 - Miami's time has passed.

Really? And this is according to what? Gut feeling? Your spider sense is tingling?
I am assuming this is your opinion correct? I mean IF you feel there is some factual basis behind this statement....please, elaborate.

I am dying to hear it...;)

I think after watching Miami the last few years that it's quite the opposite, I think thier time has passed and CAME Back.

I think Miami will continue to improve and be a huge force starting NEXT year.
salsadancer7
I think after watching Miami the last few years that it's quite the opposite, I think thier time has passed and CAME Back.

I think Miami will continue to improve and be a huge force starting NEXT year.

I find it funny that most people still make their opinions about athletes/teams on whether they are good or bad....simply because they do not like them.:rolleyes:

ALL college football teams go through a phase where they are incredibly good and sometimes go through a phase where they are not. In some cases, they go through a phase where they just stink to high heaven.

But I don't mind the hate....fans of The U have ALWAYS been hated....and they have thrived on that.;):cool:
salsadancer7
LMAO!!!

My Spidey Sense tells me The U is going DOWN on Saturday too!!!

LOL! I will let the play do the talking.;)
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I find it funny that most people still make their opinions about athletes/teams on whether they are good or bad....simply because they do not like them.:rolleyes:

ALL college football teams go through a phase where they are incredibly good and sometimes go through a phase where they are not. In some cases, they go through a phase where they just stink to high heaven.

But I don't mind the hate....fans of The U have ALWAYS been hated....and they have thrived on that.;):cool:

I don't know...personally I do not hate Miami at all.

I hate Michigan, I'm annoyed with the entire SEC because of some recent embarassments in championship games, Urban Meyer's smugness bugs me in particular, I like to see Notre Dame lose, I rooted against Pete Carroll at USC because I didn't buy his act, and Mike Leach at Texas Tech always rubbed me the wrong way too.

But Miami? Meh. I kinda like the coach they had when they played OSU in the championship game (although I can picture him but I can't seem to remember his name) and the current coach seems like a nice guy too. The program is too far removed from their glory years for me to dislike them in a Nick Saban/Pete Carroll kind of way, and nothing they do now irritates me.

I'm just speaking for myself, but sometimes I wonder if the Miami 'everybody hates us' shtick is more in the minds of older Miami fans than in the current state of the sport.


Sandra
HD MM
I don't know...personally I do not hate Miami at all.

I hate Michigan, I'm annoyed with the entire SEC because of some recent embarassments in championship games, Urban Meyer's smugness bugs me in particular, I like to see Notre Dame lose, I rooted against Pete Carroll at USC because I didn't buy his act, and Mike Leach at Texas Tech always rubbed me the wrong way too.

But Miami? Meh. I kinda like the coach they had when they played OSU in the championship game (although I can picture him but I can't seem to remember his name) and the current coach seems like a nice guy too. The program is too far removed from their glory years for me to dislike them in a Nick Saban/Pete Carroll kind of way, and nothing they do now irritates me.

I'm just speaking for myself, but sometimes I wonder if the Miami 'everybody hates us' shtick is more in the minds of older Miami fans than in the current state of the sport.


Sandra

You're right Sandra. It's kind of hard to "hate" a team who has been irrelevant for so long!!! :p ;) :D :cool: :eek:
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You're right Sandra. It's kind of hard to "hate" a team who has been irrelevant for so long!!! :p ;) :D :cool: :eek:

That's not what I said!!!


Sandra
Jimbo
I don't know...personally I do not hate Miami at all.

I hate Michigan, I'm annoyed with the entire SEC because of some recent embarassments in championship games, Urban Meyer's smugness bugs me in particular, I like to see Notre Dame lose, I rooted against Pete Carroll at USC because I didn't buy his act, and Mike Leach at Texas Tech always rubbed me the wrong way too.

But Miami? Meh. I kinda like the coach they had when they played OSU in the championship game (although I can picture him but I can't seem to remember his name) and the current coach seems like a nice guy too. The program is too far removed from their glory years for me to dislike them in a Nick Saban/Pete Carroll kind of way, and nothing they do now irritates me.

I'm just speaking for myself, but sometimes I wonder if the Miami 'everybody hates us' shtick is more in the minds of older Miami fans than in the current state of the sport.


Sandra

That would be Coach Larry Coker

He never did much for me one way or the other.
Bruce
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Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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dishstaller
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I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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Juan
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price
dishstaller
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
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Juan
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
You are paying for the whole thing
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You are paying for the whole thing
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
Juan
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
But a box can weigh more than an ounce..maybe 2...a can might weigh 5 ounces..a bag...not much
dishstaller
.a bag...not much
Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.
Juan
Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.
You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight
NYDutch
You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight
Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only. Only the shipping weight should include the packaging.
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Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only.
Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner. ;)

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).
Jimbo
Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner. ;)

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).
I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only
dishstaller
but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...

Obviously you didn't read my post.....google says a coffee bag weighs half an ounce. But let's say you are correct and it DOES weigh a full ounce, that would still fall 5 ounces shy for Walmart's numbers to match.
You wouldn't happen to be kin to Bernie would you
Gary Toma
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
coolman302003
HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
It appears we are not getting both home & away feeds out of market on League Pass for these teams either…

I've been watching the Spurs home feed on channel 676-1 (was part time San Antonio specific feed) out of market with NBALP for YEARS on satellite (through the multiple iterations of Fox Sports SW, Bally Sports SW, FanDuel Sports SW) Looks like that will not happen unless a deal is reached with DAZN. I do see the placeholder channel on 680 if it happens.
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It appears we are not getting both home & away feeds out of market on League Pass for these teams either…
Center Ice does have the non-carried feeds, including the Hurricanes, Wild, Blues and Blue Jackets and spotbeam local only teams like the Panthers, Mammoth and Golden Knights. So it probably depends on the available part time bandwidth each night as things they are able to provide to in market viewers in the 600s, PPV Events in the 100s and commercial events in the 9000s get priority first, along with games where neither team has a remappable feed.
coolman302003
League Pass tonight for example (it is almost a full slate tonight):
Hawks @ Magic (only Hawks feed which is easy to insert since its OTA this season and simulcast across multiple Gray Television markets, Magic signed a non- exclusive streaming deal with DAZN and also OTA)
Bucks @ Wizards (only Wizards feed easy to remap, Bucks are OTA & there own streaming service Bucks+)
Hornets @ Nets (only Nets feed which DirecTV already carries so simply YES remap, Hornets signed non-exclusive streaming deal with DAZN, also OTA)
Bulls @ Raptors (Bulls only feed via CHSN remap, its common that we don't get Raptors feeds that often)
Jazz @ Grizzlies (Jazz only feed OTA easy to insert, Grizzlies signed streaming deal with DAZN)
Pacers @ Pelicans (Pelicans only feed which is OTA easy to insert, Pacers signed streaming deal with DAZN)

Maybe it will change but it looks like DirecTV may only carry DAZN feeds on NBA LP when there is no other option, such as when two teams (either Cavaliers, Pacers, Grizzlies, Timberwolves, Spurs) that are both DAZN exclusive are playing each other, we shall see as the season goes on I guess.

This NBA season will be the first in a long time where many League Pass games are carried on feeds DirecTV doesn't normally carry or are only available through OTA spot beams. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out, especially whether we eventually get both home and away feeds for these teams out of market again.
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Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
Luckily my DTV stream package doesn't have a rsn fee. Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.
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Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
Greenville-New Bern is $11.99 for MASN (Orioles) and Nationals
Raleigh is $11.99 for MASN and Nationals
Charlotte is $12.99 for BravesVision, MASN, Nationals and Reds

The fee in NC also includes the higher in state rate they have to pay for ACCN. Down in SC the fee is $15.99 as they are also a SEC state.
I'm not sure if they're doing it with those teams, but in some markets they also use the fee to cover the additional cost they have to pay for independents and MyNet stations that picked up full season NHL and NBA rights.

If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.
Part of the hold out might be the packaging and price for outer areas like how the Thunder needs sports pack for other states. Hopefully they are also pushing for a guarantee from the teams that they would require whoever wins their local broadcasting rights in 2028 to negotiate with MVPDs. Commercial distribution rights are probably a factor too.

I'm guessing they got a deep discount for the Clippers based on how long it took them to officially announce ClipperVision and their KTLA simulcasts after they were basically handed a multi-year draft death penalty.

The Predators and Pistons channels are using feeds supplied by Scripps Sports

The Heat likely depends on whoever they sign for the Fort Myers DMA, as there's no point in paying a high price for the Heat just for that DMA when WPLG is streaming it for free on their app and website for viewers in the Miami DMA, and they already carry the West Palm Beach station.
cp2k
If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

I tried this with both the Hurricanes and Hornets since I'm in upstate SC, and wasn't offered any kind of credit by the site. It's not a huge deal to me as I can pick up WSOC/WAXN over the air at my location even though I'm outside the Charlotte market.
meStevo
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
b4pjoe
Nice knowing you Brian…

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meStevo
The situation w/ the Titans and Jordan Elliott is scary.


Makes me think of the Javon Belcher murder suicide.
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Week Six Balls and Goats and WTH is Going On in The NFL??

Browns. 1st place in the North. Yup. Believe it or not

Chiefs. Undefeated.

Titans. Won a game ! .... Colts I know, but still.

Saints. Won a game after a while.

Steelers. Having the same season they always have. They somehow find wins on their way to an unceremonial 1st round exit. Mike Tomlin is proud.

Cards. Won a game without scoring a single touchdown

Broncos. How they manage to win games with the dogshit offense they have should be studied.

Bears. Caleb's back and so is their mojo.


Goats

NFC East. For the 2nd straight week no team from this clown show of a division won a game. Eagles are cooked without Hurts. Who's not that good anyway. Commanders suck, Dallas is well ..... Dallas and the Giants have no QB.

Ravens. Lamar is out (as usual). But still. Losing to the Browns is never ok.

Chargers. Still can't win.

Rams. So much for the powerhouse team. They are 2 games under .500

Seattle. Lost to the offenseless Broncos.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Jump Down, Spin Around - Harry Belafonte
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Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks
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This Old HEART Of Mine(Is Weak For You)-The Isley Brothers
ClarkGable
Don't Go Breaking My Heart - Elton John & Kiki Dee
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Please Don't Go - KC & The Sunshine Band
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KAB
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Just finished S2. Watching Gary Oldman as deshvilved, dejected MI-6 agent, Jackson Lamb, is one of the best things streaming right now. Already 2 more seasons in the works. HIGHLY recommended. And yes, Mick Jagger sings the theme.
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Foxbat
Mrs. Foxbat and I are enjoying another great season so far. We only had to turn on the captions a few times.
KAB
KAB
Mrs. Foxbat and I are enjoying another great season so far. We only had to turn on the captions a few times.
I think this new season is a little too slow of a burn (as of ep #4, probably due to new show runner. However, I can't wait to find out what's up with Taverner!
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KAB
Well, the season finale went balls to the wall. Non stop action and several twisted twists. Gary Oldman at his best. Very well written and executed. Tavener owes Jackson big time. Only "if" was Jack Lowden's (River) cliffhanger, especially admin-st the buzz that he is the next James Bond in waiting.
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Planning to start the new season tonight. :)
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KAB
I missed somewhere that it was renewed for season 8. That's quite something!
dishstaller
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He was 71 yrs old. One of my favorite songs is Seminole Wind....the violin is killer.


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I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song. Rest in peace Mr Anderson.
Bobby
Rest in peace.
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comfortably_numb
Hope you're out there Swingin', John.
dishstaller
I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song.
That's one of those songs that hits a little too close to home for me. I like the song but just can't listen to it. It's kinda like that song "Daddy never was the Cadillac kind".....reminds me too much of my Grandfather who died Feb 18, 1995.
dfergie
R.I.P. I thought he was older…
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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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navychop
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
TRG
TRG
17 years ago the US turned off analog OTA signals in favor of digital broadcasting. Now the push is ATSC 3 "Nextgen TV". But nobody seems to be able to agree on DRM implementation protocols. People don't want to hook their TV up to the internet in order to watch over the air TV. At least I don't. With all the data they collect about your viewing habits the box should be given away at no cost.
navychop
Comb your hair.
primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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I truly hope you are right.
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Mister B
What bothers me is the total waste of broadcasting spectrum in this very crowded market. It has been almost three years now since KFOX converted their broadcast tower to ATSC 3.0 and moved all of their channels to other towers causing noticeable degradation of the picture quality.
I have a Sony TV with 3.0 capabilities but still use the 1.0 version of locals due to the fact that one or all of the 3.0 channels are often missing or unwatchable. In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.
The only thing that could motivate me to be interested in 3.0 would be if all of the minor networks (diginets) could be in at least 720P rather than blurry ultra-compressed 480i.
Three years is long enough to waste one of the few available RF frequencies in the area for this trial.
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.