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As some of you know. I joined the small dish crowd about 4 months ago. I want to write up an honest review here on the pro's and con's of both. This may help ones looking for options make there decision as the c band 4DTV master subs go away in the next couple months, and W5 is only left. I only have SD with Direct so I will only compare that to the 4DTV.

Picture Quality:

4DTV:
The masters are absolutely the best quality out there. It wins hands down and blows Direct out of the water.

W5 on the other hand and Direct are a close race depending on the channel selected.

DirecTV:
Can look soft and shows digital artifacts, they are not giving enough bandwidth to each channel. Although Direct blows the old G3 NPS channels away.

Reception Issues:

4DTV:
none

DirecTV:
Rainfade can be a problem. especially if you run with Direct's stock setup. When a strong cell one that usually produces red on the radar gets between you and your dish. it will go out. It can last sometimes up to 20-30 minutes. We had some bad storms this summer and it reared its ugly head multiple times. I upgraded my stock 18" setup to use my 90cm Primestar dish. This did help and keeps the signal going during the storm where it would be lost on a stock setup. Although a cloud full of mosture even kills my 90cm, it usually returns after some of that mosture is expelled and can be pouring heavy. If you have HD your forced into a Slimline dish with 3 LNB's (2 for HD on ka band) This may help over the 18" a bit on SD but still IMO don't have the gain needed. Talking of HD since they are on Ka band they will go out sooner and the outage will last longer then the ku SD channels. The rainfade issue is probably my biggest beef with Direct. They make a 1.2 meter dish for Alaska & Hawaii that works with HD birds. If your looking into HD and want the most constant reception during rain this is probably the best way to go. If you live in a rain belt like Florida c band is still your best bet.

Channels:

4DTV:
Loosing channels quite a bit, should level off after Jan 1 with W5 only remaining. This is the biggest blow to why c band subscription is where it is at. People want there MTV so to speak and the 4D cannot currently supply them to us as a subscription. If you like movies you can buy alacarte even on W5 and still get more HBO/Cinemax offerings that Direct offers. 4DTV also offer nitch music channels that are in the MTV suite and no one else offers all of them.

DirecTV:
You can get all the popular cable networks with Direct although there are some nitch channels especially music channels they don't provide. Like CMT Pure and MTV Hits etc. If you like those channels only the 4DTV (and they are on W5 too) offer those.

Pricing:

4DTV:
Competitive, no contacts pay as you go.

DirecTV:
Contract for 2 years. $20.00 a month for remaining months left if you want out early.
Pricing for first year you can get a good deal after that the prices skyrocket and if you can't afford that current package you have to downgrade to save. So while it works out for year one year two can be a shocker which you have to deal with one way or another.

Final thoughts:
While IMO nothing beats C band. We are faced with the decision if we want those cable channels we may have to go to the dark side so to speak. I don't regret my decision (yet) It is nice to turn on a channel I want and enjoy my favorite shows. But I love my c band and nothing will ever replace it. It makes me sad to see what happened to the 4DTV. I applaud SRL and Skyvision for trying to keep things going and hope that somehow there will be some kind of resurgence for c band subscription in the future. I would be the first one to gobble up a new receiver and dump pizza tomorrow.
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Format:

4DTV:

SD (essentially limited by legacy to a standard released in 1941)

DirecTV:

SD and HD (essentially limited by legacy to a standard released in 1997)


I will make no apologies regarding the quality of HD offered by DirecTV and Dish Network. It could be much better, but for those without lightly compressed fibre in the United States, it's the most readily available HD game in town. Shaw Direct at the moment supplies the best HD quality of the satellite providers.

Some have argued here that lightly compressed SD looks better than heavily compressed HD. I presented an earlier thread that directly compared these formats and contradicted that assertion. Regardless, almost all movies made since the early 1950s and most television shows produced today are shot in a 16:9 or wider aspect ratio. Distorting a 4:3 SD image onto a 16:9 screen is not a very appealing option for many of us, and for me the compelling reason why 4DTV ceased being an option.
WhiteBeard
I've been considering subbing to DTV since I'd like to see NHL action again. But, I'm a cheap you-know-what and will probably wait until next year to make a decision (if ever). TV has just gotten too expensive for what it has to offer. One would think that prices would come down with unemployment still at 9.6%. Not to mention being forced to watch commercials that are embedded in the programming along with the persistent network logo and, of course, contracts. I think I'll stay with FTA, 4DTV, and Netflix. I know, Netflix costs money but I usually don't have to watch a bunch of commercials (too bad I can't skip the FBI warning also) - sometimes I get a DVD where you can't skip the previews (Grrrrrrr!). There's always some kind of annoyance......
eurosport
Format:

4DTV:

SD (essentially limited by legacy to a standard released in 1941)

Digicipher II was around in 1941? :eek:
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Digicipher II was around in 1941? :eek:

I'm sure he meant that is when NTSC was introduced. :D Myself I see nothing wrong with an excellent SD signal. I don't care that it's 4x3 vs 16.9. If the picture is sharp clear and free of analog noise, ghosts or digital artifacts it's great in my book.. A 4x3 aspect ratio I can live with if it's good.
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Myself I see nothing wrong with an excellent SD signal.

Good thing there's still hundreds of excellent SD signals on DVB, because it doesn't look like there's going to be very many of them via 4dtv anymore. I'm somewhat old school. I still use a Faroudja LD100, lol, with my front projector. For the most part, the pic via master feeds, both 4dtv and dvb, are killer. I rarely watch anything HD even tho I have a 1030 card in my pc. If I had a stb that did both S1 and S2 HD, perhaps I would then change my viewing habits. But as of now, excellent SD still looks pretty killer to me for the most part. What I hate most about MOT no longer sending the 4dtv data stream is all of those masters I won't have access to anymore. At one point in time I was spending about a hundred bucks a month for programming via the 4dtv. After Obama took office, all of that changed.
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Good thing there's still hundreds of excellent SD signals on DVB, because it doesn't look like there's going to be very many of them via 4dtv anymore. I'm somewhat old school. I still use a Faroudja LD100, lol, with my front projector. For the most part, the pic via master feeds, both 4dtv and dvb, are killer. I rarely watch anything HD even tho I have a 1030 card in my pc. If I had a stb that did both S1 and S2 HD, perhaps I would then change my viewing habits. But as of now, excellent SD still looks pretty killer to me for the most part. What I hate most about MOT no longer sending the 4dtv data stream is all of those masters I won't have access to anymore. At one point in time I was spending about a hundred bucks a month for programming via the 4dtv. After Obama took office, all of that changed.

This is true we still can get some very nice SD DVB master signals. I don't fire up the Visionsat as much as I should but when I do I get floored by the excellent picture quality. I use component out to my HDTV and run in Smart Stretch mode. It fills the screen and looks excellent.

I used the PVR function earlier this year on the Visionsat and recorded a movie off a SD master (PowerVu) feed that was ITC and burned it to a DVD, it turned out excellent. We had some good openings this summer of PowerVu masters when Zombiesat was passing too.

The 4DTV with the masters were tops always. At least we should still be able to catch them when running ZK or FP if we don't do a MR. They will all still work either using what is mapped in or using a generic after 12/31. If Skyvision /SRL can't persuade Comcast to add certain FTA channels and generics to the map downloads when converting to W5 they will probably loose quite a few subscribers. I want to support what is left on the 4D after 12/31 but if it comes between having the generics or not I will go with running my current maps and forgo subbing at least with my current 922.

I thought about picking up a second 4D or 410 for subbing and that is an option. But right now I'm married to Direct till summer of 2012. I'm going to downgrade once my come on year is up, since close to $70.00 a month for subscription tv that I don't watch 80% is foolish. I'm toying with adding something back on W5 then. If I can pick up a second 4D for a song. (I'm sure there will be plenty out there from the NPS DN converts) I may go that route. I miss the old days when the Bud was king and we got everything alacarte on the VC-2. IMO tv viewing with that quality and choice can't get no better. :D
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
dishstaller
Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Juan
Not alot of dish customers any more
Foxbat
I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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dishstaller
I really dislike change for the sake of change
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


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dishstaller
BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
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If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!




Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.
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I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
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Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.
TRG
TRG
"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
That's what I will be watching this weekend.🤗
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Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.
dishstaller
.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.
I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
meStevo
Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


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I had quit watching this show years ago because I ended up more annoyed than entertained. Well......I'm STILL more annoyed than entertained. I DO find it interesting to see how things work behind the scenes at many businesses. What annoys me is how utterly out of touch CEOs are with the companies they run. At the end of almost every episode the head of the company is amazed at how hard the employees have to work and many times have to work around impossible guidelines set forth from headquarters.

I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.


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