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cbuddy

Last reply Dec 21, 2010 · posted in FTA Receiver / Equipment Support

AZBox HD Premium - if & where

I am considering an AZBox HD Premium. Any input or experience about any of the following 3 questions would be greatly appreciated.
1. How is this box as far as quality?
2. How difficult is the Unit to use, especially as it uses Linux compatible software? (I have livery limited Linux experience.)
3. I am thinking about ordering it from one of the many suppliers in Hong Kong or Mainland China (Dream, others). Does anyone have any experience with any of these suppliers or with buying from a supplier based in Hong Kong or China?
Thanks, cbuddy

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AcWxRadar

Dec 9, 2010

CBuddy,

How much experience do you have with satellite receivers and DIY projects regarding dish alignment and motor setups? And, how well versed are you with electronics and computer use?

These are critical questions to ask yourself.

You won't need to know Linux programming out of the gate here (and probably not ever more than just a general knowledge of it), but a really good computer skill level is recommended if you want to support your own AZBox to its full potential. It isn't a starter box by any means, I would not recommend it for a greenhorn to DIY FTA satellite TV, but if you already have a fair background in this realm, you can probably manage it.

The AZBox has some quirks still present, some of these require you to utilize supporting application programs that aren't perfect either and it may require you to use several different progams to support the whole box (there isn't just one program that does it all). The good thing is that all the support programs are freeware, so unless and until you want to get creative and fancy, you won't need to pay for any of the extraneous software. This is one of the perks of Linux. Therefore, basic support will be free. Creative support may require you to buy some peripheral software (but you might already have some of it if you are into computers and video processing gadgets and toys).

The AZBox is what I call a "Living Box" as the source code is Linux based. This means that if the manufacturer stops supporting the programming and software, everyone has access to that programming and can write their own programming for it (to an extent). This provides longer life to the support of the box - over other makes (brands). This is a plus, a pretty big one.

Since you have at least some (as you say limited) Linux background, that is much more than what I had as I had NONE!

Quality-wise, other than the few glitches with factory channel lists, and processing HD high bit rate video streams for RECORDING purposes, and a couple other minor items that aren't worth mentioning, I judge the overall quality as excellent. The box does a lot of things that no other box can do, but it isn't completely perfect. Obviously, no box really is perfect, but for as fancy as they got on this one and for the price, they probably should have done better in a few areas.

Honestly, I would judge it to be overpriced. It isn't worth the $400 - $450 that most retailers have set. I would set the price more around $279.73... but that is just my personal notion. I'm cheap, but fair.

I guess it is a judgment call from your own heart and mind.

The decision you make on what to buy has to be grounded in facts and specifications first, then on testimonials from others, but the ultimate decision is yours. The AZBox is expensive in my opinion. Whether it is worth it depends on your willingness to fork out the bucks and what you are confident to do with your own level of knowledge and experience. I do wish you the best of luck with any choice, and you do understand that we will be willing to assist you with all measures that we are capable of. We will welcome you to the AZBox club with open arms, so to speak, but we won't coddle or babysit you. It truly is a DIY thing, although we do share information.

Thumbs up if you go this way!

RADAR

donaldelee

Dec 10, 2010

AcWxRadar,
Very well said! My computer skills are above average. I dearly love the learning curve with the Azbox! I was researching this receiver for about two years before it became available in the United States. I purchased one [Azbox HD Premium Plus] for myself, and advised my friend to do likewise. And, have been using Ubuntu [Linus] for about that long. I love Linux! Allow me to add, although, you said it well enough, the ones involved are very helpful! I appreciate the assistance from every one.

cbuddy

Dec 11, 2010

Well, thanks for all the information. :up

As to computer experience, I can do a lot with many stock programs and run an LAN with nine computers networked, but have only awareness of Linux (Ubuntu), which both of my kids use exclusively. I have only done a few things on an Ubuntu OS machine my son programmed for me to learn on - unfortunately, where I work (teacher) we are not allowed to use any Linux stuff or even compatible software such as Open Office or other Sun programs. As I spend at least a dozen hours every week doing a variety of tasks on computers, it doesn't leave me a lot of time to explore Linux compatibles as I would like to. From what I've seen, nearly everything Linux requires help from other users.

As to dishes and electronics, I have been using my obsolete analog set-up for 18 years, and can get anything it is designed to do to work. I also have an amateur radio ticket, and have built numerous antennas, circuits, etc., but in no way consider my self to be very more than a good tinkerer.

I am looking into the AZBox because it is about the only box I've found that does all of the MPEG and DVB protocols I see listed variously on satellite lists on Lyngsat.com. I have also been told by various contributors on a few sites that it is about the only box around that does as much as it does. I did read about the HD Premium + and the Ultra (both on the Z site & forums), and very few things I've seen show much difference between the Ultra and the Premium + (the unit I am currently leaning toward, as it seemed to me the older Premium was more or less obsolete with the advent of the +), but did fail to indicate that in my query.

So, all in all, it is the great feedback from all of you that is what I seek, as I will have to try and determine just what my confidence level with using the AZBox really is,a and if it is a reasonable value for me - I really don't need or even want many of the features The AZBox has, but have been left behind by changing TV technology enough times in the last 15 years to know that it may be worthwhile to have the capabilities at hand for what will likely be needed for at least several years ahead.

So thanks again, and I'll definitely be reading on!

vpaniyan

Dec 19, 2010

Guys,

I have a similar problem - need advise to make FTA receiver choice.
I have no experience with FTA. I checked several sites for receiver options and couldn't narrow down to a system that I need to buy.
Based on reviews on "satelliteguys.us" all these receivers aren't good - Pansat 9200HD PVR, Coolsat 8100HD PVR, Viewsat Max HD PVR, Openbox9 HD, and Sonicview SV-HD 8000 .
Based on your conversation hear, AZBox is complex.
I have good computer skills - Network Admin, Linux is not a problem .
Please recommend a HD receiver.

Thanks

AcWxRadar

Dec 21, 2010

vpaniyan said:
Guys,

I have a similar problem - need advise to make FTA receiver choice.
I have no experience with FTA. I checked several sites for receiver options and couldn't narrow down to a system that I need to buy.
Based on reviews on "satelliteguys.us" all these receivers aren't good - Pansat 9200HD PVR, Coolsat 8100HD PVR, Viewsat Max HD PVR, Openbox9 HD, and Sonicview SV-HD 8000 .
Based on your conversation hear, AZBox is complex.
I have good computer skills - Network Admin, Linux is not a problem .
Please recommend a HD receiver.

Thanks

Vpaniyan,

We truly cannot reccommend any receiver, one over another. We can steer you away from anything that is absolutely junk as that is totally ethical and a proper service to anyone who is shopping around.

This area of the forum is obviously going to be somewhat biased towards the AZBox family, but if you read around a while, you'll get all the straight information (pros and cons) that you need to know about the AZBox.

The AZBox will process all current HD formats, but has trouble recording some of them (especially those with higher bit rates). Please browse the threads here to learn what we are doing with this STB and what problems we are experiencing. We probably have the best, straight-forward and most complete technical support of the AZBox nearly anywhere (except in Europe where they are doing different things with it and have had much longer to experiment). SatelliteGuys probably has the best support in N.A. as all the members here are working hard as a team of our own to get the best answers and information. Although this is a definite DIY project, there is a lot of necessary support here.

Take your time before you decide, just digest the information we have put forth first.

RADAR

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply 37 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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They ought to have fun with this…

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Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 9:57 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Saturday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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naptime

Yesterday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 1:01 PM

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

https://www.amazon.com/Have-Tried-Turning-Again-T-Shirt/dp/B07G1ZV9W9/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3NNRAEED195WV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.86TxUTPcw48CRYlDcLntwpMxbPDBfjiLu4wMZGX3VN6ajG_cFCuoDBJT7pS9CW2mjThKlke5Z6dlXH8bJKkQF4s892wGVU1ca_00S0BQz6F15V30_4szIdWeycvw3_zoVtsULQASM8bGcgvsKms930xApC43y_-YBVN0Q8Xsf_csSqXcmhWpresARdXHfx2VazllrXI8asduvrbnk9S3CGnzjqnVTkjzFSpSQLdQKA6Dx_7UfbQIBBJsqAmQwwtDGqM0YKVIkjV4ARgVJvJ69vLPhxV0m8pkJQd_2w_QX_A.-jSy9OqrqWdxPBsgZGia1hHMbvDAKxxhRn9kK1EBdCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=have%2Byou%2Btried%2Bturning%2Bit%2Boff%2Band%2Bon%2Bagain&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1792342839&sprefix=have%2Byou%2Btried%2B%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-11&customId=B0752XJYNL&customizationToken=MC_Assembly_1%23B0752XJYNL&th=1&psc=1

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cpdretired

Yesterday at 6:58 PM

dishstaller said:
Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

https://www.amazon.com/Have-Tried-Turning-Again-T-Shirt/dp/B07G1ZV9W9/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3NNRAEED195WV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.86TxUTPcw48CRYlDcLntwpMxbPDBfjiLu4wMZGX3VN6ajG_cFCuoDBJT7pS9CW2mjThKlke5Z6dlXH8bJKkQF4s892wGVU1ca_00S0BQz6F15V30_4szIdWeycvw3_zoVtsULQASM8bGcgvsKms930xApC43y_-YBVN0Q8Xsf_csSqXcmhWpresARdXHfx2VazllrXI8asduvrbnk9S3CGnzjqnVTkjzFSpSQLdQKA6Dx_7UfbQIBBJsqAmQwwtDGqM0YKVIkjV4ARgVJvJ69vLPhxV0m8pkJQd_2w_QX_A.-jSy9OqrqWdxPBsgZGia1hHMbvDAKxxhRn9kK1EBdCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=have%2Byou%2Btried%2Bturning%2Bit%2Boff%2Band%2Bon%2Bagain&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1792342839&sprefix=have%2Byou%2Btried%2B%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-11&customId=B0752XJYNL&customizationToken=MC_Assembly_1%23B0752XJYNL&th=1&psc=1

Works every time. My wife needs one.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 7:14 PM

dishstaller said:
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Here's the one I need:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:15 PM

Foxbat said:
Here's the one I need:

View attachment 194877

Just ordered one....that's great.

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jsmit86

Today at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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Former member 208119

Last reply Today at 9:52 AM · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio

SXM still giving discounts

My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin

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Foxbat

May 21, 2026

Well, that was a waste of effort. Our new Cadillac comes with a three-month free trial. Good that it's free, bad that I'll have to go through the Cancellation Dance all over again…

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N6BY

Sep 22, 2026

Foxbat said:
Well, that was a waste of effort. Our new Cadillac comes with a three-month free trial. Good that it's free, bad that I'll have to go through the Cancellation Dance all over again…

I just bought a Ram 1500 truck with a 3 month free trial. What to do when it ends?

All I want is music and news, but it is listed for $11.99 + $5.00 more for news. But $16.99 per month isn't worth it to me.

comfortably_numb

Sep 22, 2026

N6BY said:
What to do when it ends?

Ask for the "All Access Plan" for $5/month.

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harshness

Sep 23, 2026

comfortably_numb said:
Ask for the "All Access Plan" for $5/month.

Since the agents are now AI, you keep refusing the offer until you can justify the cost.

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Bruno

Oct 4, 2026

What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.

Jimbo

Oct 4, 2026

Bruno said:
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.

Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.

Jimbo

Oct 7, 2026

harshness said:
Since the agents are now AI, you keep refusing the offer until you can justify the cost.

Not entirely true ...
If you ask for a Human, you'll get one ...
You will definitely know when you do.

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slow_poke_pete

Oct 10, 2026

Jimbo said:
Not entirely true ...
If you ask for a Human, you'll get one ...
You will definitely know when you do.

Don't you mean phone sex operators :biggrin

Jimbo

Oct 10, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
Don't you mean phone sex operators

Is That why you keep SXM ??? :biggrin

Bruno

Yesterday at 11:16 AM

Jimbo said:
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.

I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!

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TRG

Yesterday at 11:55 AM

Bruno said:
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!

I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.

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Bruno

Yesterday at 12:08 PM

TRG said:
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.

yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:08 PM

Bruno said:
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.

You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.

Foxbat

Yesterday at 11:14 PM

Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango

The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.

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Jimbo

Today at 7:56 AM

Foxbat said:
Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango

The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.

I forgot you can pay that with Ford Pass points, I won't be due again till Feb, but I'll have to remember to try it ... Not sure what needs to be done, but I do have a substantial amount of points currently.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 9:52 AM

Jimbo said:
Is That why you keep SXM ???

when i say cancel. they give the moon and stars!!! iv'e gotten free radios and a free month once since it was my bday

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osu1991

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Today at 9:47 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

EV News

America’s Fastest-Growing EV State Isn’t California—Not by a Long Shot

New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives

www.autoweek.com

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.

:eek

It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.

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bsky.app

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.

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Yesterday at 8:46 PM

US EV sales are rising again. Here’s why the recovery is set to last.

Even though sales tanked last year after the end of federal incentives, the American EV sector is on the mend as drivers face sky-high gasoline prices.

www.canarymedia.com

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harshness

Today at 9:47 AM

If it weren't for the sky-high electricity prices...

Of course, the real scare with Winter coming is the insane cost of heating oil.

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dfergie

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Last reply Today at 9:34 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

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Bobby

Yesterday at 10:27 AM

Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399
Diesel$7.999
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:32 PM

Bobby said:
Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399

Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.

harshness

Yesterday at 2:04 PM

dishstaller said:
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:43 PM

Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:06 PM

harshness said:
A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),

Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.

harshness

Today at 9:34 AM

In Oregon, our premium boat gas is about a dollar more than our corn premium. Several stations only offer the non-corn premium grade.

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Today at 9:12 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Club TWiT: Media Club #3 - Best of Adult Animation: Futurama, Rick and Morty, and Simpsons Classics

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Today at 9:02 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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dishdude

Today at 1:45 AM

They didn't sell many, they were pricey and not out long. Quickly got replaced by the Hopper.

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telstar_1

Today at 1:50 AM

They were high-end specialty, somewhat buggy and the 612/622/722 just overwhelmed it in popularity.

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HipKat

Today at 8:55 AM

I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

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AZ.

Today at 9:02 AM

Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?

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