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I just had a chance to start using the AZ Elite that I purchased from Iceberg! I successfully dialed in a few feeds. I also hooked up the RF output to RG59 to send a program (BLTV on 135W) to the bedroom TV. Video showed up. But there was no audio. What has to be done to send the audio out the RF?

(This will be the 1st of many dumb newby questions. So far the AZ 2.4 guide has got me started, but I don't understand everything in it yet:))
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taken from another website, this is apparently how it works on a DN HD receiver and my bell HD receiver as well.

RF vs Line only affects the Analog outs (Line out for sure - probably RF as well).

It controls how Dolby Digital 5.1 is downmixed.

RF: Down mixed to Right/Left Stereo
Line: Down mixed to Pro-Logic Surround.

For better info see document
http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/zz-_Shared_Assets/English_PDFs/Professional/18_Metadata.Guide.pdf
Page 10 specifically describes the two modes (LINE and RF).
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Well I was just hoping it will because it actually does not matter if RF or Line mode as long as the AC3 source has audio on one of the front channels you will hear something from a stereo analog output.

Basically , RF mode will downmix the DD 5.1 (AC3) into a stereo 2 channel audio using only the 2 Front sources (that is right and left fronts) and probably the center channel as well but Line mode will use also the surround sources aka the 2 rear ones (rear left and rear right and probably the LFE channel as well) into the same 2 channel analog. Therefore if the source was a DD5.1 movie then if you Use RF mode then at the stereo analog output you will liesten to the caracter voices and normal sounds that belonged to the front and center channels but you will not be able to hear any sound that was intended for the rear channels only like back explosions or back moving objects. to downmix everything and be able to listen to everything on an stereo only output you have to use line mode, I think.

now is good to know which channels are the toublemakers since some AC3 tracks available FTA are only DD 1.0 (not even 2.0 or 2 fronts) but that 1.0 could acctually be 1 rear channel (either left or right) therefore if you use RF mode that uses the front there is nothing on the front so you will hear nothing but you will hear something if you use Line mode since it downmixes the rear channel as well. I was hoping for this.

other than that it could also be a hardware or software issue and considering that the Azbox is well known in my house (and not only at dinner time, lol) as a receiver that fails to perform simple tasks that other old receivers like the CoolSats used to do (how I which they brought them to the market back) it will not surprise me that it indeed does not output any audio via the stereo analog outputs when an AC3 track is selected (some channels are acctually AAC and in that case maybe the receiver is not designed to output it on the analog stereo outs). Too bad my receiver does not tell me when DD 1.0 is used which channel acctually is (some AV receivers light up speaker icons on its front display) although it says DD 1.0 and I can just put it on direct mode and listen to the actual speaker I think. More testing to come.
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ok you say that STO SD works yet STO HD does not. Both channels have 2 APIDS and both are AC3 although the second track has no audio. Now although they are both AC3 they are not the same.

STO SD is AC3 reported by my A/V receiver as DD 1+1 (means it has 2 channel mono , same audio info on both front channels , no center audio and when I select Direct mode on my A/V receiver I can hear the same on both fronts). This is different from DD 2.0 (most FTA AC3 channels use this configuration) which has 2 different front audio channels or stereo if you will.

STO HD is also AC3 reported as DD 5.0 (No LFE channel or like people mistakenly call it, subwoofer) although If I select Direct Mode I get only audio from the 2 front channels , no center , no rears but it was encoded as 5.0 although it acctually has only audio on the 2 fronts. It was a futbol game and I could hear the crowds on both front channels (normally on a 5.1 system they are in the rear only).

In both AC3 cases I get audio out of the stereo analog outputs ( red/white RCA cables go to TV speakers) on the AZbox Prem + no matter how I select RF or Line mode or any other audio settings. I would assume that if hardware and software is ok the Premium and Elite should be able to output some audio through the RF modulated coaxial output (all it has to do is modulate on the appropiate tv channel frecuency the composite video and audio that it already has decoded at the A/V RCA outputs (yellow, red and white). If it does not then it is another lack of functionality in my opinion and therefore you should contact the vendor/manufacturer for them to fix it. It could also be an issue with only your box so it will be interesting to hear from somebody else who has an Elite or Premium box.
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BLTV , Bloomerg TV at 135W? , is AC3 , DD 2.0 , 2 front channels , no center , no rears , stereo if you will. Try both Galavision HD (east , west) on the same 135W bird, they are AC3 and full DD 5.1 therefore similar to STO HD and BLTV so I expect they will not work. They all work on my AZbox P+ stereo outputs.
AcWxRadar
taken from another website, this is apparently how it works on a DN HD receiver and my bell HD receiver as well.

RF vs Line only affects the Analog outs (Line out for sure - probably RF as well).

It controls how Dolby Digital 5.1 is downmixed.

RF: Down mixed to Right/Left Stereo
Line: Down mixed to Pro-Logic Surround.

For better info see document
http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/zz-_Shared_Assets/English_PDFs/Professional/18_Metadata.Guide.pdf
Page 10 specifically describes the two modes (LINE and RF).

HD FAN,

Somehow, I missed this post of yours while typing my own repsonse. After reading the information from the guide that you link to, it does sound like this is truly possible. That is, if it works in the same way for the AZBox as for the DN and BE receivers.

RADAR
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With the house full of family & guests, I did not get a chance to experiment yesterday or yet today.

My goal is to be able to view & hear programs off of the azbox to a remote tv via the rg59 cable that is already run under the house.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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TAKE IT As It Comes-The Doors
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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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dishdude
They didn't sell many, they were pricey and not out long. Quickly got replaced by the Hopper.
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They were high-end specialty, somewhat buggy and the 612/622/722 just overwhelmed it in popularity.
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My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin
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What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Jimbo
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
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Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
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I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
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I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
Jimbo
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.
Foxbat
Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango💃🏽

The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.
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Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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Bobby
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
Foxbat
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Here's the one I need:
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dishstaller
Here's the one I need:
Just ordered one....that's great.
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
dishstaller
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.
harshness
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.
On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.
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Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:
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A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),
Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.
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Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
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Beef and vegetable stew with buttermilk biscuits. Water.
It seemed appropriate on an unusually cold and wet evening in New Mexico.
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Chili Cheesebugers, Tater Tots.
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I made shrimp parmesan with spaghetti and a salad.
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venison lasagna
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Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 :cool As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.
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osu1991
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The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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Servant's problem.
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Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
harshness
The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.
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Ramy
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
osu1991
They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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