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Dear folks,
I just found this forum, and hope that perhaps anyone here might be able to help me with the following question:
I own a 10 ft Unimesh dish on an AJAK H/H mount, and living in Europe this means that there are many satellites which lack power for a perfect picture on C-Band. In the 80's and 90's this was no problem, with the necessary audio and video band filters even the weakest signals could be viewed, most notably the Intelsat international news feeds on 4166,5 and 4188,5 MHz.
Digital TV made all of this equipment useless. For a long time I left C-Band for what it was and concentrated purely on Ku-Band improvements on other dishes like my Gregorian 120 cm and a noname 190 cm solid prime focus dish on an EGIS dual motor positioner.
A few years ago I wanted to pick up the bobby of C-Band again and purchased something which appeared to be a total desaster: an MSI C/Ku band LNBF for digital use. It was a desaster in more than one way: first of all it never allowed an equally well reception of opposing linearities: one could optimise RHCP reception but then there was no LHCP reception on C-Band possible, one could optimise for vertical Ku Band reception but then no horizontal channels could be seen, not even on the strongest satellites. In addition the indicated noise figure were an illusion: My Gerdiner 25 degree K LNB which was bought in analog times was at least as sensitive as this one which claimed to be 17 K.
What shocked me most was the shabby construction of the scalar rings. Being used to very sturdy and solid Seavey and Chapparal feeds I now got something that looked as if it was made out of a used tuna fish can. Pure rubbish from a quality point of view.
The funny thing was that I kept reading articles in which it was claimed that for digital reception specially made C-Band digital LNB's are needed because of their improved stability. This one experience at least contradicted this.
Now I am faced with the question how to go on. My basic issues are:
1. I receive a numger of C-Band satellites that are right at the brink of reception/non reception. Most of these, BUT NOT ALL, are in circular polarization. I won't use my dish for Ku-Band reception so no need for compromises on that part. I see that there is a Norsat LNB of 15 degrees K that is offered for prices between $50 and $ 80 but buying that one would force me to go on with an analog sat receiver as intermediary in order to adjust the polarization between horiz-RHCP-vert-LHCP.
2. Obviously a specialized C-Band only LNBF of very good quality would be much easier to use because you would only have to move the dish separately but all other functions would be carried out by the sat receiver.
3. However, somehow I can't imagine how to control such a system if it existed because the average digital sat receiver only knows 2 polarities. I am testing an AZ Box Premium HD+ receiver with experimental Enigma 2 software which appears to list separate settings for these 4 polarities but they are not (yet) functional.
4. My questions:
what should I do, which options do exist if I want an optimal sensitivity reception on C-Band? Get the Norsat 8515 LNB and attach it to a simple 20 year old Chapparal C-Band feedhorn using the skewing function of an analog receiver to switch polarities? Or is the stability of an Norsat LNB exaggerated and might one just as well buy a cheaper one?
or is it possible to get a complete C-Band LNBF of excellent quality in terms of reception which can be controlled by a normal sat receiver? I find so far the receivers of Clarke-Tech/MaxDigital to be the best in terms of sensitivity and blind scan results but they don't allow installation of 4 polarities. Funny enough on one satellite only (40 East) a blind scan gave the indication RHCP in spite of the fact that manually one can only select between V and H. I never found an explanation for that anomaly, other circular polarized signals were always indicated as V or H.
I'd be most grateful for any suggestion!
kindest wishes,
Paul.
I just found this forum, and hope that perhaps anyone here might be able to help me with the following question:
I own a 10 ft Unimesh dish on an AJAK H/H mount, and living in Europe this means that there are many satellites which lack power for a perfect picture on C-Band. In the 80's and 90's this was no problem, with the necessary audio and video band filters even the weakest signals could be viewed, most notably the Intelsat international news feeds on 4166,5 and 4188,5 MHz.
Digital TV made all of this equipment useless. For a long time I left C-Band for what it was and concentrated purely on Ku-Band improvements on other dishes like my Gregorian 120 cm and a noname 190 cm solid prime focus dish on an EGIS dual motor positioner.
A few years ago I wanted to pick up the bobby of C-Band again and purchased something which appeared to be a total desaster: an MSI C/Ku band LNBF for digital use. It was a desaster in more than one way: first of all it never allowed an equally well reception of opposing linearities: one could optimise RHCP reception but then there was no LHCP reception on C-Band possible, one could optimise for vertical Ku Band reception but then no horizontal channels could be seen, not even on the strongest satellites. In addition the indicated noise figure were an illusion: My Gerdiner 25 degree K LNB which was bought in analog times was at least as sensitive as this one which claimed to be 17 K.
What shocked me most was the shabby construction of the scalar rings. Being used to very sturdy and solid Seavey and Chapparal feeds I now got something that looked as if it was made out of a used tuna fish can. Pure rubbish from a quality point of view.
The funny thing was that I kept reading articles in which it was claimed that for digital reception specially made C-Band digital LNB's are needed because of their improved stability. This one experience at least contradicted this.
Now I am faced with the question how to go on. My basic issues are:
1. I receive a numger of C-Band satellites that are right at the brink of reception/non reception. Most of these, BUT NOT ALL, are in circular polarization. I won't use my dish for Ku-Band reception so no need for compromises on that part. I see that there is a Norsat LNB of 15 degrees K that is offered for prices between $50 and $ 80 but buying that one would force me to go on with an analog sat receiver as intermediary in order to adjust the polarization between horiz-RHCP-vert-LHCP.
2. Obviously a specialized C-Band only LNBF of very good quality would be much easier to use because you would only have to move the dish separately but all other functions would be carried out by the sat receiver.
3. However, somehow I can't imagine how to control such a system if it existed because the average digital sat receiver only knows 2 polarities. I am testing an AZ Box Premium HD+ receiver with experimental Enigma 2 software which appears to list separate settings for these 4 polarities but they are not (yet) functional.
4. My questions:
what should I do, which options do exist if I want an optimal sensitivity reception on C-Band? Get the Norsat 8515 LNB and attach it to a simple 20 year old Chapparal C-Band feedhorn using the skewing function of an analog receiver to switch polarities? Or is the stability of an Norsat LNB exaggerated and might one just as well buy a cheaper one?
or is it possible to get a complete C-Band LNBF of excellent quality in terms of reception which can be controlled by a normal sat receiver? I find so far the receivers of Clarke-Tech/MaxDigital to be the best in terms of sensitivity and blind scan results but they don't allow installation of 4 polarities. Funny enough on one satellite only (40 East) a blind scan gave the indication RHCP in spite of the fact that manually one can only select between V and H. I never found an explanation for that anomaly, other circular polarized signals were always indicated as V or H.
I'd be most grateful for any suggestion!
kindest wishes,
Paul.
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Precise skewing is essential to receiving signal with the most efficiency, but with these new voltage controlled LNBFs, and with the orthomode feeds, skew is set on you True South Satellite, and the polar mount as it swings across the arc adjusts the skew accordingly.
The result is that you get what you get.
The new curated multiview is now live.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.
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I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. 
WTF… …What the Foxbat!Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming youWTF… …What the Foxbat!
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you
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OMG to freaking funny
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z72cjoZP83E
Direct YouTube Link - AI Can Self-Replicate: Unplugging the Threat! #shorts
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View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z72cjoZP83E
Direct YouTube Link - AI Can Self-Replicate: Unplugging the Threat! #shorts
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Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w5TOILSc_U8
Direct YouTube Link - AI Model Poisoning: The Hidden Threat on Hugging Face #shorts
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View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w5TOILSc_U8
Direct YouTube Link - AI Model Poisoning: The Hidden Threat on Hugging Face #shorts
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Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks
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All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.
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i bought mine straight from dish as it was only $ 100.00 bucks!!! had the protection plan they came out removed and deactivated the 4k joey and activated and installed the joey 4.All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
Apple TV 4K
Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.
www.apple.com
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. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade..
. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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